Alec Baldwin SHOOTING

a reply to: Poveglia

I knew Halyna and worked with her on the set of the Mad Hatter in summer of 2019

Please accept my condolences.

TheRedneck

a reply to: CrazyFox

The opposite of that is he knew the gun was loaded and pointed it others he wanted to kill.

Then we're talking first degree murder (and violating rule 3).

I am no fan of Alec Baldwin. Everything I have seen of him says he may be an accomplished actor, but is also an arrogant, self-important jerk. But that is irrelevant here; I do not believe he intentionally fired that gun. At worst, I believe he was negligent in not checking it himself and practicing those draws with the gun pointing in the direction of others. I also believe anyone in the chain of custody of the firearm is negligent as well, possibly moreso than Baldwin.

This question is being asked more and more.

At least I'm not the only sick puppy out there.


TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Your surmising is logical although I cannot speak to the veracity of your conclusions.

originally posted by: sciencelol
Well 2 people did get shot but you can believe it was only one bullet I choose to believe it was 2

Looks like you were unsurprisingly wrong

originally posted by: SirHardHarry
a reply to: visitedbythem

It seems Alec didn't know proper safety procedures with handling a side arm.

Actors rely on multiple layers of safety procedures before they are handed a weapon.

Those layers failed here, not Alec, or any actor.

Alec is an experienced actor. It seems this sets budget was too low. There were a lack of safety meetings. There were complaints. Non union were just brought in, instead of addressing the issues. Police were called instead, to tattle. He was a bit too proud. He knew the layers at that production were not experienced to a high degree. It is too late now to compensate for those issues. Hopefully people will learn from these failures now. Hopefully the proud will be humbled, so they dont fall again. The lost can never be brought back again. The heartaches cannot be mended. All the money in the world cant patch those

For those who missed it..

The armorer on set of the movie "Rust," which has made headlines after a prop gun used by Alec Baldwin killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, once expressed doubt in her capabilities working on Hollywood movie sets.

Hannah Gutierrez was named in records filed on Friday in Santa Fe, New Mexico related to the fatal shooting. According to the records, the gun that took Hutchins' life and injured director Joel Souza was one of three that Gutierrez had set on a cart outside the building where a scene from the movie was being acted.

The armorer, who also goes by Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, appeared on the "Voices of the West" podcast last month where she admitted she was initially reluctant about her abilities.

"I just finished up working on ‘The Old Way’ with Nicolas Cage, his very first Western. It was also my first time being head armorer as well. You know, I was really nervous about it at first and I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready. But doing it, it went really smoothly," she said.

source: www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: xuenchen
Some real odd and strange conspiratorial coincidental coincidences surfacing now about Halyna Hutchins 🚬😎

A grassy knoll?

a reply to: ketsuko

It's really pretty crappy if that's what this is. It never ceases to amaze me that humans can be capable of doing some very awful things to other humans for the stupidest reasons.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: CrazyWater

They use fake rounds in prop guns.. same thing happened when Brandon Lee died during movie shooting 1993

First thing I thought about!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Do we have evidence there even was a bullet yet?

I still believe it may have been shrapnel.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Do we have evidence there even was a bullet yet?

I still believe it may have been shrapnel.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Do we have evidence there even was a bullet yet?

I still believe it may have been shrapnel.

TheRedneck

Ya no, prop guns have no firing pins and are sometimes completely fake made of plastic. This was a real gun that had real bullets in it and was mishandled by everyone involved. Shrapnel does go through a person, killing them, and then critically injuring the person behind them.

Its funny, well not in this instance, but generally people that are for gun control are the ones who know the least about it.

Insults Are Easier

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
it wasn't an accident, but likely a satanic sacrificeor deliberate act.

My first thought on the subject.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
it wasn't an accident, but likely a satanic sacrificeor deliberate act.

My first thought on the subject.

Then that says a lot.

C'mon? Seriously?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
it wasn't an accident, but likely a satanic sacrificeor deliberate act.

My first thought on the subject.

Then that says a lot.

C'mon? Seriously?

What's your meaning of "a lot" ? 💡

a reply to: InsultsAreEasier

Yeah, I know the difference between a prop gun and this one. That was the reason I got involved in the thread.

I'm just reiterating that a blank can fire shrapnel if not properly loaded, and that shrapnel can be as deadly as a bullet.

TheRedneck

There definitely seems to be some suspicious stuff going on with the guns from the beginning. Here are the facts we know..

--They had 3 gun misfires before the accident, 2 with Baldwin’s stunt double..after being told the gun was cold...meaning it had no bullets or blanks and was checked and cleared.
--Complaints about gun safety
--Crew protest and a substitute crew brought in hours before the accident
--They were setting up and rehearsing a new direct on camera shot
--Baldwin used a gun from a table of 3 that were said to be cold...again.
--Baldwin’s first quick draw was ok, on the second one a “single live round” was accidentally fired. It whizzed by a cameraman, struck Hutchins shoulder and Souza in the clavicle.

The questions..

—Was the gun used in the accident the same gun that was misfiring?
—Why would these guns be misfiring? Does misfire just mean that they were NOT cold or that they were firing for some unexplained reason? What could cause that..dirty or worn?
—Why were these cold guns NOT cold, on several occasions?
—Was it shrapnel from a blank or an actual bullet?
—Hutchins struck in the shoulder and bleeding..did she bleed out?
—Being out in the desert, was there an EMT crew on set?

The results from the investigation will be interesting but so far it looks like extreme negligence..

I just read on IG, this particular gun, was being used by crew members for shooting..in off hours I guess, and, live ammo was found on set, stored with the blanks. So I'm going to jump to the conclusion this was a fully functional weapon, as to how it was handed to Baldwin with live rounds??..I guess the armourer was right..she was not qualified.


I'm going to try and find the source.

www.tmz.com...

a reply to: vonclod

There had better be manslaughter charges forthcoming.

This is beyond ridiculous.

TheRedneck

a reply to: vonclod

A gun that is used to shoot blanks is going to be a real gun. A prop gun wouldn't be capable of firing anything. If the scene being shot needed to have the gun in question actually firing something, then it would have been a real one.

At that point, it's up to the people surrounding setting up the shot to make sure the gun is loaded with the correct ammunition - blanks in this case - and that all the proper protocols are followed to make sure the gun with the proper ammunition is the actual one handed to the actor for the shoot (both film and gun firing). If the shot in question required the actor to actually point his weapon at other people (in this case the camera person), then one would think the actor would also be wise to have enough personal firearms training to make sure he or she can also double, triple, or quadruple check to make sure the gun is the right one with the right ammunition.

And if we are talking about a production with a history of just these sorts of mistakes, then one would think the people in question, including the actor, would be especially certain to make all the checks.