for the hundred time/ the vaccine CANNOT STOP OR PREVENT COVID

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Nyiah

Why? Because you are right?

Indeed.

Now look at what it does to someone's bodacious bod, for JUST the recipient. Because the recipient is the only one it does jack # for. It is newfangled symptom mitigation medication, albeit experimental.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: MykeNukem

One DOES NOT get vaccinated against rabies .
Your point is moot .

your ignorance is showing. one DOES in fact get vaccinated against rabies. not just pets and animals, and not just after possibly being exposed to rabies, but like any other vaccine, before one possibly comes into contact with rabies. and just like any other vaccine, as a protection "just in case".

just like with something like polio, where it is still around, like in contaminated water. so people get vaccinated "just in case".

which tends to make your point moot.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Jamie2018

Please, wait your turn. The discussion is not about covid vaccination or terrorism, It is about free will and how we handle one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated, which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others.

We could ask your nanna, but she's dead.

Have you not been paying attention. Covid vaccine doesn't protect you or prevent you from spreading the virus. So no it doesn't "equals to the decision to infect or not infect others". We see outbreak on cruse ships where everyone is vaccinated. Schools with over 80% vaccinated switching to online classes due to outbreaks. Over 70% of the people who caught covid at a entertainment event were fully vaccinated.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Jamie2018
The discussion is not about covid vaccination or terrorism, It is about free will and how we handle one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated, which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others.

Nice try, but...

as the OP pointed out, getting jabbed does not prevent you from spreading it, so your false dichotomy false spectacularly on its face.

We could ask your nanna, but she's dead.

Now that was just despicable. You should apologize. Like, now.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: generik

I see. Then the debate is about whether vaccinating the entire population or not, in order to prevent specific risk groups to be infected, and to impose some restrictions in order to mitigate the risk.

You are either obtuse, or just plain dense.

These jabs do not stop the spread. PERIOD.

And there are those who oppose to either being vaccinated and accepting some restrictions,

If you mean opposed to both forced jabs and restrictions like mask/social distancing mandates? Yes, I and many (almost everyone I know personally) are against both.

So, a decision must be made. But we first need to agree whether the covid kills or does not kill some people, because the moment we decide on this, the options are dramatically reduced to just two.

So, I'm sure you feel the same way about the flu, which kills tens of thousands every year in the US. Right? RIGHT?

Petty-tyrant-wanna-be's running amok.

originally posted by: generik
a reply to: Direne
masks do in fact help protect others from the wearer,

Maybe, possibly, but only a tiny fraction, and certainly nothing worth imposing strict mandates everyehwere.

and is completely harmless to the wearer.

Demonstrably false. It impedes free air flow, and when worn for extended periods of time, can cause a build up of CO2 in the blood, causing brain impairment. It can also become a petri dish for replication of dangerous poathogens that are then focused and rebreathed by the wearer, causing serious risk of bacterial lung infections.

So, very far from 'completely harmless'.

the same is true of restrictions put into place. they do no real harm,

Tell that to all of the small business owners that lost their livelihoods, and the loved ones of those who were so devastated by these insane irrational lockdowns that they took their own lives.

You should be ashamed.

a reply to: Echo007

Yes, I've seen people on board cruise ships, but instead of wondering whether they were vaccinated or not, I always wonder what's the point of a cruise ship.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: generik

I see. Then the debate is about whether vaccinating the entire population or not, in order to prevent specific risk groups to be infected, and to impose some restrictions in order to mitigate the risk.

And there are those who oppose to either being vaccinated and accepting some restrictions, and those who accept the vaccine, but not the restrictions, and those who accept the vaccine and the restrictions altogether, and finally those who accept the restrictions, but not the vaccine.

And there is another group who secretly wishes the entire planet to be wiped out and who welcome any apocalypse (fortunately, a minority, some of them wearing bomb belts).

So, a decision must be made. But we first need to agree whether the covid kills or does not kill some people, because the moment we decide on this, the options are dramatically reduced to just two.

News flash for you. They will never be able to protect specific risk groups from covid-19, if you wasn't so clueless you would know this. People fully vaccinated can spread covid-19, animals can catch and spread it too. The government will never stop moving the goal post. First it was "two weeks to flatten the curve" now it's "we must hit 98% vaccinated to return to normal", next it will be vaccine passports to make sure everyone gets booster shots every 3-6 months so we can "return to normal". They want this to be the new normal.

originally posted by: scrounger

Even the manufacture information (ALL OF THEM) on the vaccine that its main function (IF IT WORKS AS PREDICTED) is to
a. lessen the effects/symptoms from infection
b. increase the survivability from the virus”

SO SORT OF LIKE CHICKEN SOUP, if chicken soup could cause blood clots, cardiomyopathy, pericarditis, Bells Palsy, neurological issues, cancer, infertility, oh and kill you!

A live attenuated vaccine could. This would be an inhaled vax. Government will never approve it. Government and big pharm don't want to wipe out covid. They want to reduce hospitalization and keep covid around so they earn more profit with quarterly booster shots.

Smallpox vax and polio vax are live attenuated vax. Flu vax is injected vax.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.
2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.
3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...
4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

Your turn.

Let's rewind, shall we?

Polio vaccine does NOT stop polio.

Measles vaccine does NOT stop measles.

Mumps vaccine does NOT stop mumps.

Rubella vaccine does NOT stop rubella.

Rabies vaccine does NOT stop rabies.

What if that was history? Except it isn't.....all of those vaccines actually WORKED...

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Do you see a disconnect here?

One of these things is NOT like the other? (Remember Sesame Street?)

Pepperidge Farm, remembah's....F'N right it does....

SARS was beat pretty easily without vaccine. Polio was beaten with water sanitation. Smallpox was beaten because of very visible symptoms and social distancing.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: generik
a reply to: Direne
masks do in fact help protect others from the wearer,

Maybe, possibly, but only a tiny fraction, and certainly nothing worth imposing strict mandates everyehwere.

and is completely harmless to the wearer.

Demonstrably false. It impedes free air flow, and when worn for extended periods of time, can cause a build up of CO2 in the blood, causing brain impairment. It can also become a petri dish for replication of dangerous poathogens that are then focused and rebreathed by the wearer, causing serious risk of bacterial lung infections.

So, very far from 'completely harmless'.

the same is true of restrictions put into place. they do no real harm,

Tell that to all of the small business owners that lost their livelihoods, and the loved ones of those who were so devastated by these insane irrational lockdowns that they took their own lives.

You should be ashamed.

Just wanted to echo your sentiment!

Honestly the ease with which so many have taken to wearing a mask for so long is concerning. How the f*** do they not recognize the physiological shift that happens when you wear a surgical mask to be specific, as that is what my employment is forcing.

I think watching the respiratory therapists running around with them is the most mindboggling.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Jamie2018

Please, wait your turn. The discussion is not about covid vaccination or terrorism, It is about free will and how we handle one's own decision to be or not to be vaccinated, which equals to the decision of infect or not infect others.

We could ask your nanna, but she's dead.

Wow... you're a really good advocate for people saying "Yeah!! I will get it now!"

NOT.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Direne

Terrorism is contagious?

a reply to: JinMI

Uh oh, it is! Never heard of people being radicalized by simply watching videos by Daesh? Believe it or not, it happens.

Is there something you wish to share with the class?

They've been radicalized.. just not by the normal terrorism, but the neo-terrorism... No jab No job, you're a devil, and the enemy, if you are not vaccinated.

We need to keep an eye on this lot...

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: SuicideKing33

Sorry, there was a frog croaking in my window and couldn't hear your bark. Mind barking again, please?

Direne, dear...

Your precious vaccination does not stop the spread of the virus. It does not stop you from getting it. Nor spreading it. In fact, why are you told to still mask up, social distance and keep safe, if you are vaccinated? To stop YOU from getting worse symptoms? But you are the ones being allowed to traverse the country care free, are you not the ones who, if infected, will potentially still spread it? And infect others? Causing others to become infected?

At least I will know I have it, and I will self isolate. You on the other hand, will be sitting in your restaurant, smugly eating your fancy meal. And ultimately continuing the spread if this virus.

And for those of you fully vaccinated who do end up in ICU, it will be you who made it happen, not us, lepers, trapped in our homes.... when we're not less of a threat than you, ultimately. Unless you consider us walking around coughing and spluttering all over you... when meh, that's not likely.

YOU ARE THE SUPER SPREADER, DARLING.

Now go vax yourself, sweetie, and give everyone your covid as instructed.

a reply to: jerich0

Come on, stop crying and waving your arms. It's just a shot. It doesn't hurt. We don't really care about your health. We just want you to go to the factory and keep working, in silence. A diseased slave is of no use to us, and we don't want you to stay at home for six days just because you've got some fever, headache, and with a runny nose.

The vaccine works, but not because we worried about your fragile health: it works because it keeps you able to work at our factories for a miserable salary. So stop complaining and get vaccinated asap.

OP is not wrong but there is more to it. While you are 100% correct in stating it will not stop the spread but what the vaccine has shown to do is minimize the spread at a much higher rate than those not vaccinated. I can't recall where, but I think this study was done in Israel and maybe the US, but showed vaccinated were like 70% less likely to spread. This was done with people who were infected and confined within a family.

That's because "science". The whole goal is to drop the replication value also more known as the "r-value". I can't recall what they want the US to be at, is it 80 or 90%? So if we use 90% vaccine rate that is telling me they have the r-value (replication rate) at around 10. How do you get this number?

(1/r-value) take this number and then subtract it from 1 then you take that x 100 to get your %.

Example, the r-value of the measles is in the 12-18 range which is why they have a 90-95% recommended vaccine rate. As of 2018 that rate in the US is 91.7% for those over 13 and 90.8% for those age 2-12.

Another example, seasonal influenza typically has an r-value of 1 - 1.5 on any given season. Which means 25-35% is generally required for flu shot every year.

Just wanted to put some context in here because as we all know nothing is as simple as just stating such and such.

www.nature.com...

a reply to: Direne
Yeah that sounds about right.

Someone I know has been told by his boss that he has to be vaxed because otherwise he will have to stay home if pinged.

The vaxed don't have to self isolate if pinged......they can even live and sleep with a covid positive person and still go to work.

Thank you, OP, for spelling it out. I don't understand how everyone doesn't get this, but here we are. I hope more people start to realize these facts.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: scrounger

Your reasoning is weak, and faulty. If we were to use it we would arrive at the following conclusion:

1. Police does not stop terrorists with bomb belts.
2. Police just mitigate the wide spreading of terrorist attacks with bomb belts.
3. Anyone can become a terrorist, hence...
4. it is stupid and futile to combat terrorism.

Your turn.

No their reasoning as you call it is fact.
We can't help it if Branch Covidians don't do facts but how's your feelings?