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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut
Just like every other human being including yourself. Does the vaccine stop you incubating the virus or any other for that matter?
Again, my medical history and what i choose to put inside my body has absolutely nothing to do with you.
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
They're allowing mutations, for one.
originally posted by: MPoling
This is false, its the other way around. Vaxed people are the problem, the mutations come from the them. This is very easy to understand.
originally posted by: liliththedestroyer
a reply to: canucks555
Except this"vaccination" doesn't protect you against, like at all. I feel if people are scared of going outside they should be staying home. there are viruses everywhere, I can go to the store and come home and bring the flu, Covid, a cold, whatever with me and infect everyone in my house, mask or no mask, vaccinated or not. It's life, people should learn how to live with life.
en.wikipedia.org...
Asimov portrays in The Naked Sun a world focused on avoiding physical contact with other people.
The Solarians practice physical distancing, and interact with each other largely through technology. They live far from each other, spread out across a sparsely populated planet. People are taught from birth to avoid physical contact, and live on huge estates, either alone or with their spouse only.
Face-to-face interaction (referred to in the book as "seeing") is seen as a repugnant chore. (Other science fiction novels examine the extra-uterine care of fetuses, but this is not Asimov's concern here.) Communication takes place through technology unknown of off their world: holography, 3-D television. At the time of writing, 2-D (ordinary) color television was a novelty, with very limited programming and not many of the expensive receivers.
Asimov was a scientist with a wide range of interests, and was familiar with the principles of electron microscopes then being developed, and from which holography descends. Communicating with each other in this fashion is referred to as "viewing", in contrast to "seeing", which is face-to-face.
Communication is frequent, but it is "viewing" of a transmitted image. Nudity in front of others is common. Sex is only practiced for reproduction when replacement of a citizen is necessary, and is considered a chore even more repugnant than seeing.
A character remarks that to be in the same room with another person is "most unpleasant.... I feel strongly as though something slimy were about to touch me."[3]: 113 A doctor has to "get hardened" to it.[3]: 136
originally posted by: LordAhriman
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
I had one polio vaccine.
ONE. You know, the number one? It's one. One jab...
It's actually 4 jabs.
originally posted by: LordAhriman
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Semantics. The point is that you get vaccinated and never look back.
Not this 6 month booster bollocks.
What do you think they call the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th polio shot? "Boosters". Most vaccines require boosters.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: canucks555
Yes, get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated because if you're not vaccinated you're a danger to the vaccinated.
Amazing logic.
originally posted by: LordAhriman
originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: LordAhriman
For now, if we continue down the road we’re on it will lead to jabs in perpetuity.
I'm talking about polio, what are you talking about?
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Polio is eradicated in the western world. You know, because the Polio vaccine is an actual vaccine.
It's still possible to contract polio if you are vaccinated.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Rich Z
originally posted by: SirHardHarry
originally posted by: Rich Z
originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Yes. If I'm vaccinated I don't have to worry about eating at a restaurant. Nor do I have to worry about creating threads as to how my rights are being taken away because I'm unable to grasp how a vaccine helps against a virus.
So what exactly is it that worries you about the unvaccinated? You DO know that you can harbor the virus just as easily as they can, don't you? And be just as infectious? So what scares you so about those people who have chosen to not be vaccinated?
They're allowing mutations, for one. They're also clogging up the health care system due to their selfish stupidity and preventing care for people who actually need care, for another. Don't want to get vaccinated. Cool, get sick then stay home.
Tired of people who want it both ways.
Actually, I disagree with your diagnosis. The way you force mutations is by weakening, but not killing, a pathogen to where the survivors, although weakened, must adapt to the new environment in order to survive. The strongest of those survivors propagate that strength into later generations. That is why you are recommended to take the entire series of doses of a drug for a pathogen in your system. To do otherwise leaves those surviving pathogens and you get drug resistant pathogens in later generations as a result. If you don't kill them all, then there is hell to pay with the survivors.
Tell me again exactly what these "vaccines" do to the virus? Do they kill it upon entering you body or just weaken their effectiveness at infection?
IMHO.
Mutations arise randomly. You don't get any more mutations by impeding the spread of a mutable pathogen.
Mutations are selected for if they get acceptable host conditions.
Any one un-vaccinated person is just as likely to incubate a new strain in a set time frame as is any vaccinated person. The thing is, the vaccinated person does so for a lesser time, and in lesser numbers, than the un-vaccinated.
The bias in the effect of new strains is that pathogens resistant to the vaccine are more likely to survive than pathogens that the vaccine works against, in vaccinated people. But un-vaccinated people incubate both, equally.