Today McDonalds would not let me enter without COVID vaccination QR-code

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
I had one polio vaccine.

ONE. You know, the number one? It's one. One jab...

It's actually 4 jabs.

So when do we start calling these types of segregation and discrimination policies Joe Vax Laws?

I once knew of a couple of guys who couldn't get a cake made.

So what's your point?

I know of a State that forces women to have a rapist's baby.

So what's your point?

a reply to: zatara

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: zatara

they did you a favor. Don't eat that crap. But instead, find a nice locally owned restaurant that will serve you and give them your business. You will be helping on two fronts.

Beat me to it... but...

Restaurant food isn't much better...

Best is learn how to cook, and stop eating garbage - any/all processed foods, but mainly sugar, processed flour, and especially all seed oils.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

so once you get the polio vaccine, you can still get Polio ? is it just a lesser version of the disease?

Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection - CDC

I would call 1 dose for 90% effectiveness pretty darn effective .
Especially when compare to the COVID vaccines .

Denying ignorance .
Why ?
It is what it is.

The Pfizer vaccine has a nominal 95% effectiveness against the Alpha strain and a nominal 93% effectiveness against the Delta strain.

The only reason you hear about so many breakthrough cases is that the virus is circulating in millions of cases. At 95% effectiveness, you would expect 5% to be breakthrough cases. Out of of 1 million cases, that is 50,000 breakthrough cases.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

so once you get the polio vaccine, you can still get Polio ? is it just a lesser version of the disease?

Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection - CDC

wow, that sure sounds vastly different than the covid VACCINE. 90-100% for life is good, but 80% for 6 months, and then 40% for the next 6 months, with no expectation of it lasting a lifetime doesn't even sound like a vaccine, it sounds like a temporary treatment.

No, the COVID-19 vaccines are still vaccines.

Even with polio, there has to be three vaccinations to achieve full immunity.

And polio virus is different than a coronavirus.

I know it's easier to lie now that you have fresh new definitions to use.
www.miamiherald.com...

Social media is calling bluff on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for modifying its definition of the words “vaccine” and “vaccination” on its website.

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

your posts are weak.

So, are people dying over a word definition, or are they dying from a recognized disease?

Your excuse doesn't hold water. It isn't rational.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
So when do we start calling these types of segregation and discrimination policies Joe Vax Laws?

Except it's not discrimination, it's a public health mandate.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: canucks555

I think what people are "unable to grasp" is how unvaccinated customers are dangerous to vaccinated customers. Either the vaccine works or it doesn't.

But but the vaccine protects you , that's why you take it? So if it doesn't fully protect you , why are you risking a vaccine that's still in clinical trials till 2023??

Several of the vaccines have had FDA approval now. They aren't under clinical trial anymore, and more than 6.1 billion doses have been administered worldwide. I think the excuse isn't valid anymore.

how many shots of Comirnaty have been administered in the US? I believe that is the only vaccine currently approved by the FDA in the US.

Approximately 225,313,214 shots of the Pfizer vaccine have been administered in the US.

Tracking COVID-19 vaccine distribution by state: How many people have been vaccinated in the US?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

If my excuses fall weak to an authoritarians perspective, I can take solace in that.

Did you know that cancer, heart disease and stroke deaths are down?

Well, if people are dying from one thing, they aren't going to just come back to life and die of something else. So, of course, something that causes a significant level of mortality will also change the mortality figures for other reasons in a fairly static total population.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

The greatest risk to others are pedants of stupidity and self absorbed authoritarian bootlickers. The cure is to stop forcing other people to bend to your will and let them make their own decisions.

It isn't my authoritarianism. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything.

I was only pointing out that you cannot stop an epidemic with wishful thinking. And if you aren't solving problems like this, then you are part of the problem.

originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yes. If I'm vaccinated I don't have to worry about eating at a restaurant. Nor do I have to worry about creating threads as to how my rights are being taken away because I'm unable to grasp how a vaccine helps against a virus.

So what exactly is it that worries you about the unvaccinated? You DO know that you can harbor the virus just as easily as they can, don't you? And be just as infectious? So what scares you so about those people who have chosen to not be vaccinated?

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yes. If I'm vaccinated I don't have to worry about eating at a restaurant. Nor do I have to worry about creating threads as to how my rights are being taken away because I'm unable to grasp how a vaccine helps against a virus.

So what exactly is it that worries you about the unvaccinated? You DO know that you can harbor the virus just as easily as they can, don't you? And be just as infectious? So what scares you so about those people who have chosen to not be vaccinated?

They're allowing mutations, for one. They're also clogging up the health care system due to their selfish stupidity and preventing care for people who actually need care, for another. Don't want to get vaccinated. Cool, get sick then stay home.

Tired of people who want it both ways.

a reply to: chr0naut

What’s your solution? Communism and forced unwanted healthcare? Sounds authoritative to me.

I’m not anyone’s problem I just want to live in peace without interference from people with a false sense of authority.

Not everyone worships at the altar of science.

I’ve said I’m not taking your vaccine, you’re the one with and creating a problem, not me. I couldn’t care less how many people line up to be slaves to the pharma industry, go right ahead, see how that pans out for you long term.

a reply to: LordAhriman

For now, if we continue down the road we’re on it will lead to jabs in perpetuity.

originally posted by: SirHardHarry

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yes. If I'm vaccinated I don't have to worry about eating at a restaurant. Nor do I have to worry about creating threads as to how my rights are being taken away because I'm unable to grasp how a vaccine helps against a virus.

So what exactly is it that worries you about the unvaccinated? You DO know that you can harbor the virus just as easily as they can, don't you? And be just as infectious? So what scares you so about those people who have chosen to not be vaccinated?

They're allowing mutations, for one. They're also clogging up the health care system due to their selfish stupidity and preventing care for people who actually need care, for another. Don't want to get vaccinated. Cool, get sick then stay home.

Tired of people who want it both ways.

Actually, I disagree with your diagnosis. The way you force mutations is by weakening, but not killing, a pathogen to where the survivors, although weakened, must adapt to the new environment in order to survive. The strongest of those survivors propagate that strength into later generations. That is why you are recommended to take the entire series of doses of a drug for a pathogen in your system. To do otherwise leaves those surviving pathogens and you get drug resistant pathogens in later generations as a result. If you don't kill them all, then there is hell to pay with the survivors.

Tell me again exactly what these "vaccines" do to the virus? Do they kill it upon entering you body or just weaken their effectiveness at infection?

IMHO.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: LordAhriman

For now, if we continue down the road we’re on it will lead to jabs in perpetuity.

I'm talking about polio, what are you talking about?

a reply to: zatara

I wonder if these "idiot" citizens, that are being conscripted to do law enforcement, realize that they now fall under the criminal code, specifically enforcement sections and therefore must follow the highest law, which certainly isn't some dribble and drool from a politicians yapper.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

What’s your solution? Communism and forced unwanted healthcare? Sounds authoritative to me.

I’m not anyone’s problem I just want to live in peace without interference from people with a false sense of authority.

Not everyone worships at the altar of science.

I’ve said I’m not taking your vaccine, you’re the one with and creating a problem, not me. I couldn’t care less how many people line up to be slaves to the pharma industry, go right ahead, see how that pans out for you long term.

That's fair enough except you are exposed to others. You are a potential reservoir to incubate the virus and to spread it to others. If you are doing nothing to prevent the spread, you are doing nothing to prevent the spread.

And getting a couple of vaccinations is not installing a new government, or enslaving anybody.

Your existing government is trying to promote these vaccinations. And there's good reason. The virus has killed more than 1 in 100 of those that it has infected in the US. If it were to spread to everybody in the US, that would potentially be millions of deaths if we left it up to just natural immunity.

a reply to: zatara

A : Screw Mickey-D's.
B : File a Human rights complaint, with an appropriate organization, for discrimination.

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: SirHardHarry

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yes. If I'm vaccinated I don't have to worry about eating at a restaurant. Nor do I have to worry about creating threads as to how my rights are being taken away because I'm unable to grasp how a vaccine helps against a virus.

So what exactly is it that worries you about the unvaccinated? You DO know that you can harbor the virus just as easily as they can, don't you? And be just as infectious? So what scares you so about those people who have chosen to not be vaccinated?

They're allowing mutations, for one. They're also clogging up the health care system due to their selfish stupidity and preventing care for people who actually need care, for another. Don't want to get vaccinated. Cool, get sick then stay home.

Tired of people who want it both ways.

Actually, I disagree with your diagnosis. The way you force mutations is by weakening, but not killing, a pathogen to where the survivors, although weakened, must adapt to the new environment in order to survive. The strongest of those survivors propagate that strength into later generations. That is why you are recommended to take the entire series of doses of a drug for a pathogen in your system. To do otherwise leaves those surviving pathogens and you get drug resistant pathogens in later generations as a result. If you don't kill them all, then there is hell to pay with the survivors.

Tell me again exactly what these "vaccines" do to the virus? Do they kill it upon entering you body or just weaken their effectiveness at infection?

IMHO.

Mutations arise randomly. You don't get any more mutations by impeding the spread of a mutable pathogen.

Mutations are selected for if they get acceptable host conditions.

Any one un-vaccinated person is just as likely to incubate a new strain in a set time frame as is any vaccinated person. The thing is, the vaccinated person does so for a lesser time, and in lesser numbers, than the un-vaccinated.

The bias in the effect of new strains is that pathogens resistant to the vaccine are more likely to survive than pathogens that the vaccine works against, in vaccinated people. But un-vaccinated people incubate both, equally.