Update for eveyone..

originally posted by: HawkEyi

The moment i saw your argument i do think your now defending for Pfizer/mRNA

I think Big Pharma can be good or bad, depends... What is typically Good is the 10,000s of people doing the research as their life long goals, so it is hard to suggest their work on mRNA and vaccine is something with ominous intent. Don't forget them and just focus on the mouth breathers with ties. ALSO this isn't just a Big Pharma evil thing, it has world wide access with many countries involved in mRNA. Pfizer is not the only dog in the fight here, so if you hate them there are dozen of others doing the same thing working with mRNA, mDNA, Viral Vectors that all follow pretty much the same model.

So I'm not defending Pfizer, I'm saying mRNA is doing what it should.

Because those Billions of people had no choice. You claimed that people are free to choice when in reality they arent being given option.

They either take the vax or loss their job. Or be bribed to take the mRNA.

Has nothing to do with whether the vaccine is good or not. Bad Goverment doesn't mean bad vaccine too.

originally posted by: HawkEyi

Approval for most drugs and vaxs can take usually years not months.
It usually takes 10-15 years to approve a vax.

It depends...

It usually takes about 10 years for a drug to be developed and approved for prescription. Many people would like to take the newest medicine as soon as it is proven to work. However, even after a drug has been successful in a Phase III trial, it still may take six to 12 months before that drug is approved for prescription. Learn more about the process on the FDA WebsiteLink will take you outside the VA website..

mRNA been in development for 30+ years, first human trials was 2013, so I think you are grasping at straws here to say what you want to accept or not.

You mean like how they had given warning for these mRNA vaxs about heart inflammations? yeah well you know what? i am not going to be a guinea pig to find that out if its rare or not.

Cool no problem... Don't take aspirin either...

Aspirin Side effects requiring immediate medical attention
Medically reviewed by Drugs.com. Last updated on Dec 5, 2020.

Abdominal or stomach pain, cramping, or burning
black, tarry stools
bloody or cloudy urine
change in consciousness
chest pain or discomfort
confusion
constipation
convulsions, severe or continuing
dark urine
decreased frequency or amount of urine
diarrhea
difficult breathing
drowsiness
fainting
fast breathing
feeling that something terrible will happen
fever
general tiredness and weakness
greatly decreased frequency of urination or amount of urine
headache
heartburn
increased thirst
indigestion
irregular heartbeat
light-colored stools
loss of appetite
loss of consciousness
lower back or side pain
muscle cramping and weakness
muscle tremors
nausea or vomiting
nervousness
numbness or tingling in the hands, feet, or lips
panic
rapid, deep breathing
restlessness
seizures
skin rash
stomach cramps
swelling of the face, fingers, or lower legs
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual tiredness or weakness
vomiting of blood or material that looks like coffee grounds
weakness or heaviness of the legs
weight gain
yellow eyes and skin

a reply to: Xtrozero

Pfizer is not the only dog in the fight herePfizer is not the only dog in the fight here

No your right just like J&J that has a lawsuit history and is coming out of a biggest lawsuit. And AZ is no better.

What is typically Good is the 10,000s of people doing the research as their life long goals

For such things like mRNA 30+ years research is not enough.

Bad Goverment doesn't mean bad vaccine too.

I am sure you believe that government cares about us right? so much that they are offering bribes, threats to take the vax.

If its safe and effective there would be no need for such things.


"give them an inch they take a mile"

ALSO this isn't just a Big Pharma evil thing, it has world wide access with many countries involved in mRNA

Profits.

originally posted by: HawkEyi

Not me but you do it seems i am sure you believe in bill gates to You do know that Gates foundation is the one founded these mRNA tech you know that?

OK your point...never mind, I don't care.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Your Aspirin comparison to mRNA is not the same.

FDA adds warning about rare heart inflammation to Pfizer, Moderna Covid vaccines

a reply to: Xtrozero

Point? it says on the moderna foundations.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So I'm not defending Pfizer, I'm saying mRNA is doing what it should.

Most side effects arent even reported. In number of other countries even east Asia people are forming private groups because governments arent listening to people who had reported side effects.

originally posted by: HawkEyi

But what you posted there is nonsense. In Canada and in a number of pronvices there a number of places where they are reporting that young youth are reporting heart inflammations.

So you claim that Pfizer vax has a one day side effect and its gone is not true at all.

I didn't say that so you didn't really read my post... I said...

so the side effects are really down to how your body reacts to protein it sees as a foreign invader and that reaction can cause complications at times.

The RNA will do nothing at all but make protein and then its gone in a day, and the body triggers on the protein. HOW your body reacts to the protein is what caused side effects so something like Myocarditis is cause by your bodies immune reaction and is very rare and easily treatable in vast majority of cases.

The data in Israel seems to disagree with you.

You mean 275 cases out of like 4 million of minor Myocarditis found that was easily treatable with no long health issues? That data...lol

OK I have not ever said that some people will have side effects, but the virus is 20 times worst than the vaccine and I would rather have a step up on the virus before I get it..

originally posted by: HawkEyi

mRNA vaccine delivery using lipid nanoparticles

Is Nanotechnology Helping in the Fight Against COVID-19?

And?

a reply to: Xtrozero
So that's your argument? and you claimed that mRNA vaxs dont cause side effects which what you said is nonsense.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Your link and article the so called stats dont tell the stats they just cite the number 96%. From the article.

This latest wave has been dubbed by health experts and President Biden as the “Pandemic of the Unvaccinated” and that is proving entirely true. At OHSU on Thursday, 90% of all hospital patients with COVID were unvaccinated, 97% of ICU patients were unvaccinated as were 96% of all patients on a ventilator. Over the last two months since the delta variant really took hold in the state, nearly all deaths have been unvaccinated people.

nearly all deaths have been unvaccinated people and yet they haven't even provided a full data. How many of those 96% had a covid comorbidity.


Last year MSM had no problems sharing a full data showing not only the deaths but also covid comorbidity. Number of those who died from Covid last year had at least three or more comorbidity that contributed.

And another horror story if hospital covid treatment gone wrong. It's remdesivir and oxygen and then you probably die. The only hospital treatment that seems to work is the monoclonal antibodies but not everywhere is doing it.
Covid Hospital Horror Story

originally posted by: HawkEyi

Point? it says on the moderna foundations.

Why should I care.. You are drifting off in 5 different directions its been fun talking but you are convince in what you think is right, and there is nothing I can do to change that and I really don't want to change it if that is your choice, just as getting the vaccine or not is your choice.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
Most side effects arent even reported. In number of other countries even east Asia people are forming private groups because governments arent listening to people who had reported side effects.

OK... At some point we will know... If they are not reported then how do they know they are not reporting...lol

Lots of smoke and mirrors you are playing with here in suggesting the vaccine is bad.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
a reply to: Xtrozero
So that's your argument? and you claimed that mRNA vaxs dont cause side effects which what you said is nonsense.

For the second time, that isn't what I said twice now. lol

originally posted by: HawkEyi

Your link and article the so called stats dont tell the stats they just cite the number 96%. From the article.

I'm not here for you to nit pick my links... My link was just to suggest I'm not pulling the numbers out of the air. You can investigate OR and WA hospital reporting too if you desire. I'm not here to prove something to you who I'm convince there is nothing I could provide you that you would accept unless it matches only your narrative.

a reply to: Xtrozero

And your here trying to be a vax pusher i had seen this before elsewhere.
If you got your vax as you claim good for you.


But dont start claiming around that these vaxs dont cause any side effects like you said in the other post.

"RNA doesn't cause any side effects"
This thread op shared his story of their friends how it impacted their friends and family. And you try to discreet their story?

a reply to: Xtrozero

there is nothing I can do to change that and I really don't want to change it if that is your choice

That's because i researched who and what. And no you really cant change my stance.. and word of the wise dont try to convince others as well.

originally posted by: HawkEyi

And your here trying to be a vax pusher i had seen this before elsewhere.
If you got your vax as you claim good for you.

Actually I'm not. I have always said it is your choice and whatever that is I will respect it. I truly do not think everyone needs it, like no healthy person under 40 most likely need it, people who already have anti bodies don't need it., truly anyone under 18 should not get it unless high risk, religious/cultural choices too.

BUT when people suggest the vaccine is killing millions, doesn't work, sheds protein, etc etc I find I need to step into the conversation.

But dont start claiming around that these vaxs dont cause any side effects like you said in the other post.
"RNA doesn't cause any side effects"
This thread op shared his story of their friends how it impacted their friends and family. And you try to discreet their story?

You do know there is a difference between RNA and protein... Reread a number of my posts again. Not sure why you can't understand what I said. RNA does nothing but make protein then it is gone.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
That's because i researched who and what. And no you really cant change my stance.. and word of the wise dont try to convince others as well.

We are having a debate here, and that is it. I have never told anyone they need to get it. I have said if you are 75 and do not get the vaccine then I feel that is a bad choice, but my responses have never, not even once went in the direction that a person should get it.

If a person is spewing crazy stuff I'll interject on that.

Your so called research is very one sided with a ton of bias and you just do not trust anything that doesn't fit your narrative and blindly trust anything that does, that is not good.