Update for eveyone..

originally posted by: HawkEyi
The same Pfizer that has recently made some recalls for their anti smoking drugs i really wish good luck to you.

OK so? What does that have to do with the vaccine? They make the EpiPen too, so is that bad? They also make like 300 to 400 other drugs.

I assume you got your first doe. First dose you wont feel expect a few like a headache or sore arm..

Got my second dose about 6 months ago, felt about the same as the first, maybe my arm was a little sorer.

And you quickly jump in to get the vax because you believe its "Safe" again i am not going to judge your decision.

Well thank you...

We will find out, but they done more testing with mRNA than most other typical drugs. The interesting part is RNA is not a drug, but a natural process within our bodies, so I view it much safer than what we would call "a drug".

I also got the newer shingles vaccine last year too as I really don't want them either.

originally posted by: PaPaTaco

You gotta stop going off of what you've heard....

I said read not heard... Heard is the BS videos in BitChute etc...lol

It's time to take your own beliefs into your own hands.... Deep dive studies and research my friend...

I do like using real scientific studies. There is like 5 in progress for Ivermectin right now.

I didn't start taking Ivermectin until Day 11...

I went to the hospital on Day 10... and honestly if they were about healing people, they would have admitted me, but the Dr said I didn't meet the standards for any treatment.... LOL!!!

How sick were you? Did Ivermectin really help or did your body do it on its own? Do you think you would have died if you didn't take Ivermectin? How old and healthy are you normally.

If you thought you would had died just think what the vaccine might have done to help prevent that. If you got that sick while still being vaccinated then you wouldn't most likely be with us today if you didn't get it.

I'm on day 32 and still don't have much stamina and have weird lingering symptoms, but I am nowhere near where I was when I felt like I was dying.... So personally I know Ivermectin works around the 11th day mark...

My brothers son took it around Day 4 or 5 I'm thinking.... I've also heard of those who were on the vents late stage who got it and they recovered....

So the propaganda against Ivermectin out there is hot and heavy... Trust nothing you hear... Do the research for yourself to find where the truth rests....

So that is what the scientific studies are figuring out. A drug doesn't do all, so is it good up front to prevent getting any reactions, good in the middle to prevent serious reactions, or late stage to help keep you alive. It will not do all three, so that is what they are seeing exactly where does it help and how with zero bias involved.

a reply to: Xtrozero

but they done more testing with mRNA than most other typical drugs

No they haven't. moderna has claimed they had spend 10 years on it. There is no long term study on these vaxs. Only fast/early results.

so I view it much safer

You think its safer because that's what the media claims and told you and you jumped on in and you believe them because of their "Top Doctors" i am not surpised you

OK so? What does that have to do with the vaccine? They make the EpiPen too, so is that bad? They also make like 300 to 400 other drugs.

A number of issues. Its a company with a shady track history i spend a lot of time last year spending my time researching into such things.

This is a drug company that had pay back to drug victims of one of their trails in Africa. A number of recalls, lawusits and malpractices...

Nigeria sues Pfizer for $7bn over 'illegal' tests on children

a reply to: Xtrozero
You mentioned "EpiPen "? that same one that was recalled as well right?

originally posted by: HawkEyi

No they haven't. moderna has claimed they had spend 10 years on it. There is no long term study on these vaxs. Only fast/early results.

Its all about the mRNA. RNA is RNA is RNA, so it is not like each RNA is a different drug. They all do basically the same thing and your body produces like 10,000 different proteins with RNA. Before COVID they were working on some heavy hitters like Ebola and Rabies, so switching to SARS-CoV-2 was a quick and easy process for them to do. All the processes and mechanics are the same and that is what will make this type of treatment so great to easily switch to many different viruses/illnesses.

It is quite elegant in the process of using the natural process of a cell and not pump drugs into people which can have all kinds of bad side effects.

mRNA technology is 30+ years old
Human trials started back in 2013
Phase 3 trials typically has 3000 or less people and they used 30,000
Billions of shots have been given now...

So ya I beg to differ...

You think its safer because that's what the media claims and told you and you jumped on in and you believe them because of their "Top Doctors"

No not really... I view it safer because it is using RNA in a natural process that the body already does, hell of a lot better than drugs.

I don't think you really understand that ALL drugs world wide go through the same processes. Most side effects are discovered after approval and it is on your shelf. Hopefully they found any serious ones in the trials, but not always.

Its like a MMO game developer can not account for everything as millions of people then play it. People constantly break a class or weapon/item use and the developer needs to fix it.

What I see with RNA is it is not a drug that will have side effects, it last 1 day and is gone, so the side effects are really down to how your body reacts to protein it sees as a foreign invader and that reaction can cause complications at times.

originally posted by: HawkEyi
You mentioned "EpiPen "? that same one that was recalled as well right?

The recall was that they found some injectors were not working property and nothing to do with the drug.

You sure do want to live in a prefect world don't you... So what is your point here with the injector?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Again your defending a company with a track history recalls, lawsuits..

a reply to: Xtrozero

Human trials started back in 2013

Not on a massive scale and there were still no long term studies and the human trails were focusing on cancer patients.

mRNA technology is 30+ years old

Yes the tech but not the mRNA+Vax.

a reply to: Xtrozero

.. I view it safer because it is using RNA in a natural process that the body already does, hell of a lot better than drugs.

RNA is not an natural process. The fact still stands the fact more and more nurses are quitting and refusing the vax for a reason and not because they are anti vax.

hell of a lot better than drugs

Any long term study data to share that yet?

a reply to: Xtrozero

The moment i saw your argument i do think your now defending for Pfizer/mRNA

Billions of shots have been given now...

Because those Billions of people had no choice. You claimed that people are free to choice when in reality they arent being given option.

They either take the vax or loss their job. Or be bribed to take the mRNA.


I had never seen in a decade with a vax campaign such as with these mRNA as you claim that they are safe. If you claim that mRNA are safe.





Why the need for Threats? blackmails? bribes? if its safe and effective why the need for threats to take the vaxs?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't think you really understand that ALL drugs world wide go through the same processes. Most side effects are discovered after approval and it is on your shelf. Hopefully they found any serious ones in the trials, but not always.

Approval for most drugs and vaxs can take usually years not months.
It usually takes 10-15 years to approve a vax.

Most side effects are discovered after approval

You mean like how they had given warning for these mRNA vaxs about heart inflammations? yeah well you know what? i am not going to be a guinea pig to find that out if its rare or not.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Do your own research on this company. I already did.

If you think its safe good for you.

You sure do want to live in a prefect world don't you...

Not me but you do it seems i am sure you believe in bill gates to You do know that Gates foundation is the one founded these mRNA tech you know that?

a reply to: SoundisVibration

Hey how is your buddy doing? hope they are doing ok?

a reply to: Xtrozero

But what you posted there is nonsense. In Canada and in a number of pronvices there a number of places where they are reporting that young youth are reporting heart inflammations.

So you claim that Pfizer vax has a one day side effect and its gone is not true at all.

What I see with RNA is it is not a drug that will have side effects, it last 1 day and is gone, so the side effects are really down to how your body reacts to protein it sees as a foreign invader and that reaction can cause complications at times

The data in Israel seems to disagree with you.

RNA is it is not a drug that will have side effects

So you mean you wont have BC, Heart inflammation? seriously? where did you get that idea?

originally posted by: HawkEyi

Not on a massive scale and there were still no long term studies and the human trails were focusing on cancer patients.
Yes the tech but not the mRNA+Vax.

That was different with mDNA I think, this one was rabies vaccine, so yes a vax...

We aimed to report results of the first-in-human proof-of-concept clinical trial in healthy adults of a prophylactic mRNA-based vaccine encoding rabies virus glycoprotein (CV7201).

Between Oct 21, 2013, and Jan 11, 2016, we enrolled and vaccinated 101 participants with 306 doses of mRNA (80-640 μg) by needle-syringe

mRNA

originally posted by: HawkEyi

RNA is not an natural process. The fact still stands the fact more and more nurses are quitting and refusing the vax for a reason and not because they are anti vax.

Its about as natural as one can get as our cells have RNA to make 10,000 different proteins for reproduction, viruses do the same with RNA for reproduction. So what is it that isn't natural, and what does that have to do with some so called nurses. RNA is the instructions for making proteins nothing more or less, that is what RNA does.

I don't fear either the virus or vaccine...

Any long term study data to share that yet?

Yes, drugs can suck big time...care to disagree?

a reply to: Xtrozero

That study is from an mRNA rabbis vax.

mRNA rabies vaccine

And still they haven't posted a long term study from this trail either.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yes, drugs can suck big time...care to disagree?

For someone who had being just vaxed with the mRNA you seem to be quite a vax pusher like the MSM. And you still avoid my long term study point which i am not surprised.

This thread shows how a number had complications following the vax and you claimed the following.

RNA is it is not a drug that will have side effects

RNA is not a drug that will have side effects. Why say such a thing?

a reply to: Xtrozero

what does that have to do with some so called nurses

Nurses see the reality. They are quitting for a reason. Not because of pay.

Its about as natural as one can get as our cells have RNA to make 10,000 different proteins for reproduction,

So its neutral to have nano particulates in mRNAs?

a reply to: Xtrozero

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