FDA Says NOT To Check for Antibodies if Vaccinated

a reply to: TrollMagnet

This is such an excellent question and post.

It makes so much sense and that is why they are not encouraging it.

Getting a Vaccine makes a lot of people/companies a lot of money. Proving you are protected by
a test does not.

originally posted by: shaemac

originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: TrollMagnet

Here, it provides an answer for you. Just a few lines down from the very top.

In people who have received a COVID-19 vaccination, antibody testing is not recommended to determine whether you are immune or protected from COVID-19.

Makes sense to me.

Here is another part further down (Many lines) in the Q&A;

Q. I received a COVID-19 vaccination. Do I need an antibody test to know if I am immune to COVID-19?
A: Antibody tests are not recommended to determine your level of immunity or protection from COVID-19.

LOL
that makes ZERO sense, as thousands of people with the vax are getting Covid

Huh? I am sorry, I dont understand how your comment applies to the OP or my response. Must have gone over my head, can you dumb it down for me?

I was showing that the CDC does answer, admittedly not as thoroughly as they should, why you should not get the anti-body test after vaccination if you are trying to evaluating your level of protection.

Another member posted some great complimentary information above in the form of a study.

originally posted by: chris_stibrany
a reply to: MDDoxs

Why does it make sense to you from a logical standpoint?

All it is really saying is, take the *ing vax we dont care about anything else.

What!? Did you read the information in the link provided by the OP?

Some would contend that antibodies are the desired result, regardless of how they are acquired.

Should be front page info, top and center.

a reply to: TrollMagnet

Yeah, so these answers are disappointing. There is no answer written there, and the partial argument posted is NOT an answer. How about they show there work like back when you were in school and did a test? I have zero faith in these numb skulls. Assuming they are acting altruistically is a denial of history.

I have known what antibodies are for a long time. This is not new. If you have immunity or exposure to a pathogen that your antibodies can recognize as a threat, you can test your antibodies later on the same as HIV tests. I could go copy and paste all the official mechanisms that they think create this process, but I am writing this in plain English so you can all understand.

If your body is geared up and ready to fight COVID from the vaccine, then your antibodies would react quickly to COVID and prevent your viral load from getting extremely high and preventing major illness. There would definitely be a major measurable difference between someone with a vaccine, someone never vaccinated or exposed, and someone who has caught COVID. The more data you have to analyze, the better you can use that to separate these groups and make the tests more accurate and know what to look or test for. So why after so many cases and all this research on COVID is the only tool we have to excuse ourselves from mandatory vaccines being swept under the rug?

None of that crap on the FDA website is an answer or an excuse for this BS after 1.5 years of them supposedly researching this disease in all of our best institutes and spending how much tax money on it again!? If I have antibodies because I caught COVID, than my measurement and proof of that is more than enough to treat me as someone with working immunity, unlike the vaccinated as far as I can tell. Nothing we understood pre 2020 conflicted with any of this logic.

a reply to: TrollMagnet

So after doing a little digging I found a possible answer here

Most antibody tests on the market only detect antibodies developed against the N-protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The problem is that none of the vaccines in the US trigger antibodies against the N-protein of the virus, instead, they trigger antibodies against the S-protein of the virus.

I can't speak to the veracity of the claim of course, smarter folks than I would have to weigh in on that. However it sounds plausible.

a reply to: Hypntick

Sounds like that could be why the vaccine is starting to suck so badly at stopping infection and spread.

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2
I did an antibody blood test just last week.
it says the same on the paper in the box: not to test for antibodies when you had a vaccine because the result of the test will not be 100% accurate and then an entire explanations about how antibodies from vaccines are not 'the same' than the ones the self tests look for (someone explain that pls!? How can they be different?)
Now I wish I hadn't throw away the box so could go read it again...

Well, as a lab director, I can attest that the result of not ONE SINGLE test we do is 100% guaranteed accurate.

If not achieving 100% accuracy was any sort of valid reason NOT to test for something / anything, we would just forget about all of it.

This explanation they are giving seems like a bunch of hooey to me!

edit on 15-9-2021 by Fowlerstoad because: corrected a typo, and cannot get the quote looking right. sorry for that, the top is quoted, the bottom includes my own opinion

a reply to: TrollMagnet
Glad to read this, I was planning on asking my Dr. for an antibody test to check my level before I get the booster.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Hypntick

Sounds like that could be why the vaccine is starting to suck so badly at stopping infection and spread.

Honestly, this is why vaccines and other drugs shouldn't be rushed, medical science is too much trial and error to expect any better results than we already have had.

It it such BS let's pick anything else that has a less than 2% lethality and shutdown our lives and mandate vaccines or drugs for it too.

Because there are a lot of things out there that are way more lethal than 2% that we all face daily.

Could it be...that the 'vaccine' is actually damaging the human immune system, hence the caution against testing for antibodies??

Could it be there are LESS antibodies in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated??? Thus they are being discouraged to prevent the truth from coming out???

Gee, that would NOT make for some good CDC/MSM press, now would it???

I'd like to see Fishy Flip-Floppin' Fauci explain that!!!

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: TrollMagnet

So after doing a little digging I found a possible answer here

Most antibody tests on the market only detect antibodies developed against the N-protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The problem is that none of the vaccines in the US trigger antibodies against the N-protein of the virus, instead, they trigger antibodies against the S-protein of the virus.

I can't speak to the veracity of the claim of course, smarter folks than I would have to weigh in on that. However it sounds plausible.

I would like that to be true, if it were it seems they would list the appropriate test for the people who are vaccinated. This hidden information I am supposed to assume things about all the time instead of the people trying to push this crap including their proof, is how dictators act, not scientists.
I need the proof.

lots of people would find out they got a placebo

I think you are correct Sraven.

a reply to: sraven

a reply to: TrollMagnet

Long term immunity from diseases doesn't come from antibodies. IIRC its B or T cells. They stick around a long time (years).

www.nature.com...

Consistently, circulating resting memory B cells directed against SARS-CoV-2 S were detected in the convalescent individuals. Overall, our results indicate that mild infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans

originally posted by: Antigod
a reply to: TrollMagnet

Long term immunity from diseases doesn't come from antibodies. IIRC its B or T cells. They stick around a long time (years).

www.nature.com...

Consistently, circulating resting memory B cells directed against SARS-CoV-2 S were detected in the convalescent individuals. Overall, our results indicate that mild infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans

So how do you test those?

originally posted by: Antigod
a reply to: TrollMagnet

Long term immunity from diseases doesn't come from antibodies. IIRC its B or T cells. They stick around a long time (years).

www.nature.com...

Consistently, circulating resting memory B cells directed against SARS-CoV-2 S were detected in the convalescent individuals. Overall, our results indicate that mild infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans

Those are types of antibodies.

My doctor just sent me this after I sent him a list of antibody tests to pick from.

" you’d want the Nucleocapsid AB, since you would only have that if you had recovered from infection. The Spike AB would be positive from recovered infection AND vaccine immunity."

The presence of antibodies will determine if you have been infected (or vaccinated) but it will not tell you the level of immunity. For that you would need an antibody titer test. That goes beyond a simple antibody test.

I would think that providing a sufficient antibody titer result should be equivalent to proof of vaccination but implementation of such a policy could be problematic. We know there are "Maderna" vaccination cards out there, after all.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...