Big Argument with My Doctor Today Regarding Vaccinating Covid-19 Recoverees.

a reply to: sciencelol

So the vaccine somehow works there but not here? How does that work?

It works here quite well. And in Israel. Proportionately there are far fewer vaccinated people hospitalized in both countries.

Back when the vaccines were beginning
to come out I asked My Primary Care Physician
What was his thoughts and recommendations
Concerning the vaccine.
He states that He does Not recommend that anyone
Be vaccinated with the types of vaccines that are
Currently available.
He continues…..That his first reason is that No One Knows the long term effects of the vaccines
On Humans or even the immediate effects.
His next reason is due to the ones that contain
mRNA is simply dangerous to humans in
Several Ways he stated
He told me that he was sure that with time and certain measures we will be able to survive Covid
As The Flu.
I Love That Man!
I saw him today and we discussed a bit more and
He says he knows that the figures that are being submitted in our town are Not accurate.
It’s like they(Hospital Directors) are changing number of cases, after submission to them from the local doctors, hospitals and Nursing Homes.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Natural immunity is superior to the mRNA vaccines, I sure would not get a shot if I had the disease already. And being exposed to the virus when out and about will rejuvinate your natural immunity each time. If you remain locked up and do not get exposed to it, the immunity will fade. No wonder they wanted everyone stuck at home...but it did not change the fact that getting a virus turn covid after you have immunity still remains rare.

The doctor could be only reading what the pushers of the vaccine are sending her to read. that is the way lots of doctors are, they do not want to have their license jeopardized by telling the whole truth, they could get caught.

My doctor just came back from saving lives of Covid-19 victims in her native country of India. It was good to hear how much gratification she got out of that self-chosen assignment!

I think Doctors get their information from specific publications that they all trust. They may even have online discussion forums.

a reply to: carewemust

I think Doctors get their information from specific publications that they all trust.

It sounds like your doctor has some personal experience as well:

My doctor just came back from saving lives of Covid-19 victims in her native country of India.

It sounds like she might know what she is talking about.

a reply to: igloo

The government asked you to wear a mask and limit your exposure.

You are not being forced to be vaccinated.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

The pressure to get vaccinated is way too high across the board, for a disease that has a small mortality rate of 2/10th of 1% of the U.S. population over the past 19 months.

Chances of moderate to severe illness are significantly greater than that.

I didn't get vaccinated because I'm afraid of dying of COVID.
I didn't get a flu vaccine because I'm afraid of dying of flu.
I didn't get my last tetanus booster because I'm afraid of dying of tetanus.

I got vaccinated because I don't want to be sick for a week or more, or hospitalized.

I'm glad Operation Warp Speed delivered what you wanted. I hope the vaccines and boosters come through for you until your "concerns" surrounding Covid-19 have passed.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

What's the point of getting vaccinated when the border is still wide open with no vaccines. They let even more people in on planes also with no vaccines from Afghanistan. I just hope you don't ever let this bounce around in your mind if in the US. Otherwise it blows up your whole understanding of what is going on.

The President of the United States told America that if you get Vaccinated, you WILL NOT contract Covid-19.

That will protect you from being infected by those who carry and spread the virus.

a reply to: carewemust

The President of the United States told America that if you get Vaccinated, you WILL NOT contract Covid-19.

He did. And last year the President of the United States told America that COVID would disappear by Easter.

What's your point? That politicians should not be trusted? I agree, seldom if ever pay attention.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: vonclod
You should probably listen to your doctor, they know your health better than an article from the CDC

Right, when they all get sent this info on how to use more coercive language... When doctors are being manipulated they are no longer serving the patient/doctor relationship but rather the doctor/governing medical association relationship.

www.ama-assn.org...

Care, I find it amazing you actually got to speak for some time to your doctor and have this discussion. My last, over the phone, was under two minutes long with the doctor getting rude. I had him on speaker phone so wasn't just me who thought he was rude. I can't handle the masks and was asking to have my sinuses/ breathing checked as I've had the blockage all my life. No such luck but he offered antidepressants! Then he gave up his medical license right out of the blue so need to find another.

My doctor has a huge EGO. She's very nice, but is insulted if you don't agree with her.

I wouldn't be surprised if her next step was to come to my house with a group of doctors, carrying photos and videos of dying Covid-19 patients.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: sunkuong
So your doctor tells you to be vaccinated to protect you health,

and your argument is that 25% of patients in your county have been vaccinated but still have covid.....as opposed to the 75% who are not vaccinated having covid?

And you would rather be the 75%

No-one can help you if you won't follow your GP's advice.

I just hope you don't get sick and find yourself unable to seek care.

Because, Care I must.

Come on man! Re-read the OP and then circle-back with relevant advice.

Don't even try. As we say in Mexico, No vale la pena.

originally posted by: canucks555

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: carewemust

It’s really getting bizarre how hard they are pushing this fake vaccine.

The reasoning we’ve been hearing from more than one shill is that “Everyone needs to get the vaccine to protect the vaccinated”
That includes three of the biggest shills out there, Biden, Harris and Fauci.

What does that even mean? Take the vaccine to protect the vaccinated when you can still catch the Vid while vaccinated???

I don’t know what the F is going on with this but the harder they push this, the more bizarre it is.

How is it Bizarre?
The vaccine protects you to the point of you not going into the Hospital (being sick and using up recourses human and financial)

What's not to get?

You stay unvaxed because of political reasons, not medical.
I think that's utterly weak and also pathetic.

It does not protect you from going into the hospital or death. You can still get a severe case, have to go to the hospital and/or end up dying. This crap is no better than over-the-counter cough medicine. It lowers or makes less severe some symptoms in some cases. That's it! It doesn't stop infection or re-infection or re-re-infection ad naseum or transmission/re-transmission. IT IS NOT A VACCINE!

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Ektar
Don't know how you bit your bloody tongue cause after all
that BS I would have given her a bloody good telling to piss off!
And that there are many Drs care more about their patients,
respect medicine & don't accept the pay offs from Big Pharm.

That was harsh from your own Dr...makes me blood boil!
What Phage suggested possibly get a new doctor.

Cheers
Ektar

If her behavior today was typical, I would have changed doctors long ago. But today she was POSSESSED. Not going to hold it against her, however.

It's ironic that Barack Obama said 4 months ago that EVIL is taking over.

a reply to: carewemust

I think that your doctor just cares about you. The majority of us think that the vaccine is both safe and effective. Doctors in general are unhappy when their patients don't follow their advice. That could be why she treated you snidely. I would never talk down to a patient the way your doctor has. It is counterproductive to convincing someone that something is in their best interest.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

It does not protect you from going into the hospital or death.

It sure reduces the chances of that happening.

Wearing a seatbelt is not sure to save you, but it it sure can help.

a reply to: Phage

Wearing a seatbelt is not sure to save you, but it it sure can help.

True, and there is also no intrinsic danger of just wearing a seatbelt, as opposed to the intrinsic danger of wearing an experimental injection that does kill people and everything under that ....... need I go on?

originally posted by: sciencelol

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

What's the point of getting vaccinated when the border is still wide open with no vaccines.

The basic idea is so that you won't get very sick from those filthy devils (or your friends).

Yeah but by your numbers only 80 people out of every million even end up in the hospital.

Not dead just in the hospital

This CDC webpage says 209,704 have been hospitalized since Covid-19 arrived from China.

Covid-19 USA Hospitalizations: www.cdc.gov...

Does that equate to 80 hospitalizations per million U.S. residents?

That can't be right. Our leaders wouldn't shut down the country over those numbers.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

It does not protect you from going into the hospital or death.

It sure reduces the chances of that happening.

Wearing a seatbelt is not sure to save you, but it it sure can help.

Ivermectin will give you better chances than the "not-a-vaccine" covid jab. If I had not already had the magic covid in early 2020 (have the antibodies), I would take my chances with Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or some other quinine type drug before I would ever take the jab and I will never take the jab under any circumstances.

BTW, I don't wear a seatbelt, I have a special note from my doctor saying I don't have to, because if I were in an accident I would prefer to be dead, rather than live out my life in a pain amplifier. However, if someone is in my car(s) they can wear their seatbelt, I have no problem with that.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Phage

Not to mention that Trump was pushing to forego the phase 3 clinical trials to release the vaccines before the election.

a reply to: carewemust

This CDC webpage says 209,704 have been hospitalized since Covid-19 arrived from China.

No it doesn't.

a reply to: carewemust

This CDC webpage says 209,704 have been hospitalized since Covid-19 arrived from China.

Covid-19 USA Hospitalizations: www.cdc.gov...

The link you provided goes to a page called "Reinfection with COVID-19" and does not have any numbers for hospitalizations.

The CDC Covid Data Tracker shows that there have been 2,899,368 covid admissions to the hospital since Aug 1, 2020
CDC Covid Data Tracker