Epitaphs on the graves of the British soldiers of the Crimean War

originally posted by: RussianTroll
The main hostilities, characterized by great bloodshed, took place during the aggression in the Crimea. Both sides suffered colossal losses. The British have enough to remember the insane The Charge of the Light Brigade. The war ended with almost nothing, although Russia is believed to have lost. The coalition retreated on all fronts.

To be historically accurate, the war ended with the Russian Empire returning lands which they had agressively occupied, their admission of defeat and their accepting terms to demilitarise the Black Sea and places like Savasapol. You need to look at the origins of the war and the Treaty of Paris, which was the end result.

Hope the Russians (who as we know now illegally occupy Crimea) take care of the various graves. I am sure they do.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: RussianTroll
The main hostilities, characterized by great bloodshed, took place during the aggression in the Crimea. Both sides suffered colossal losses. The British have enough to remember the insane The Charge of the Light Brigade. The war ended with almost nothing, although Russia is believed to have lost. The coalition retreated on all fronts.

To be historically accurate, the war ended with the Russian Empire returning lands which they had agressively occupied, their admission of defeat and their accepting terms to demilitarise the Black Sea and places like Savasapol. You need to look at the origins of the war and the Treaty of Paris, which was the end result.

Hope the Russians (who as we know now illegally occupy Crimea) take care of the various graves. I am sure they do.

And what about the illegal occupation of half of the world by the Anglo-Saxons? Return Indian lands (continent America) to the Indians.
Freedom for Angela Davis and Luis Corvalan!

a reply to: RussianTroll

And what about the illegal occupation of half of the world by the Anglo-Saxons?

Empire building.
Unfortunately its gone on since the moment we first climbed out of the trees.

At the time The British were just far better at it than all the multitude of other countries who were trying to engage in it - including Russia.
The same Russia that owes its very existence to empire building.

Return Indian lands (continent America) to the Indians.

An American issue and has no relevance whatsoever on this topic - a clear example of muckspreading, trying to spray #e around in every direction in the desperate hope that some sticks.

Freedom for Angela Davis....

An absolute crank who is free....and again a strictly US affair.

.....and Luis Corvalan

Again, a man who is free....a South American issue, can't be construed as 'Anglo-Saxon' by any stretch.

In response should I list the very long list of Russian political prisoners in order for you to excuse the Russian state and justify their imprisonment?

Must do better moy malen'kiy putin.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
And what about the illegal occupation of half of the world by the Anglo-Saxons? Return Indian lands (continent America) to the Indians.

What about it? It's irrelevant to the OP you set up.

Back to OP. The British and the French gave an undertaking to support the Ottomans. The Russian Empire occupied Ottoman territory. The Coalition delivered a message to the Russian Empire. The Russians gave back the occupied lands.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Crimean War and the support for a failing Ottoman Empire renown for its brutality, the fact remains that it was caused by Russian aggression.

Interestingly, the aftermarth of the Crimean War also led to reform in Russia, so not all bad.

a reply to: Freeborn

Please list the list of Russian political prisoners. I really want to laugh)))

a reply to: paraphi

Let's start with the fact that the Ottomans occupied the Byzantine Empire and captured the Greek and Slavic lands. From an Orthodox shrine, the Cathedral of Sophia in Constantinople, they made a mosque. And Russia has undertaken the obligation to free the Slavs and Greeks from Turkish slavery and return the shrine to Orthodoxy. This is our right, not the distant English.
England needs to deal with its problems with the Scots, Irish and Welsh, and not take on any obligations in the Orthodox and Slavic countries. England has long been almost a third world country, not an empire.

a reply to: RussianTroll

So, you deny there have been political prisoners in Russia?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

So, you deny there have been political prisoners in Russia?

I'm waiting for a list from you)))

a reply to: RussianTroll

I'm waiting for you to respond to the other points I made about the relevance of what you posted etc and to the question about whether there have been political prisoners in Russia.

Where was the relevance in mentioning Angela Davis and Luis Corvalan?

You mentioned two random people - who just happened to be viewed as 'heroes' by the old USSR - but who had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with either the UK or the thread topic.
Now we can only speculate as to why as you have given no explanation for this thread drift.

Why did you bring up the subject of political prisoners?
Do you deny there have been political prisoners in Russia?

Nothing in response to the points I made about empire building etc?

a reply to: Freeborn
It was not me who raised the topic of political prisoners. Read the thread carefully. I said I was waiting for a list of political prisoners in Russia. I really want to laugh.

As for Angela Davis and Luis Corvalan, there is a joke in Russia that has been going on since the days of the USSR. On any fake political accusation, demand freedom for these people)))

a reply to: RussianTroll

It was not me who raised the topic of political prisoners.

Oh but it was, by mentioning Angela Davis and Luis Corvalan you brought up political prisoners.

You have now explained that it is some long running obscure Russian joke that the huge majority of non-Russians know nothing about.
Are you surprised that people would assume that you were bringing up the subject of political prisoners?

But still, are you denying that here have been no political prisoners in Russia because I too would like a laugh.

a reply to: Freeborn
Once again, if you think that there are political prisoners in Russia, please give me a list of them. This is a natural desire, regardless of national traditions and folklore. This is simple logic.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Political Prisoners in Russia ? Yes there are many. Just do a search and hey-presto they appear.

Here are a few.

www.csce.gov...

And of course your response will be of complete denial. You're to obvious.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Read what I've posted;
Are you denying that there have been political prisoners in Russia?

Are there political prisoners in Russia now?
I don't know - I'm sure many would argue that there are and there are those who would reason that there aren't.

But I know that there has been in the past and at the same time that Angela Davis and Luis Corvalan were imprisoned in their respective countries - in fact you may believe they were political prisoners, a lot would argue they weren't.

Now please, please try to tell me that there have been no political prisoners in Russia because I am about to go and do some overdue gardening on this beautiful sunny morning and I'd like to do it with a smile on my face after having a good laugh.

a reply to: alldaylong



The link does not work.
I want to be mistaken, but to give a dead link, and then demand an answer to it, conjecturing it in advance is a very bad form.

a reply to: alldaylong

Moy malen'kiy putin will only argue that they are imprisoned for criminal acts and are not political prisoners - the official party line.
It is indeed very predictable.

I'm interested in his denial of past political prisoners throughout Russian history, especially the Soviet era.

I like Our Man In Saratov, he makes me laugh, but he is what he says he is.

I do like his thread about Nuremburg 1561.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

Read what I've posted;
Are you denying that there have been political prisoners in Russia?

Are there political prisoners in Russia now?
I don't know - I'm sure many would argue that there are and there are those who would reason that there aren't.

But I know that there has been in the past and at the same time that Angela Davis and Luis Corvalan were imprisoned in their respective countries - in fact you may believe they were political prisoners, a lot would argue they weren't.

Now please, please try to tell me that there have been no political prisoners in Russia because I am about to go and do some overdue gardening on this beautiful sunny morning and I'd like to do it with a smile on my face after having a good laugh.

Of course, there were political prisoners both in the USSR and in Russia, this is a fact. But now they are gone. Those who are considered political prisoners in the West are convicted on criminal charges (terrorism, extremism, pedophilia, incitement to ethnic hatred, and so on). Did I answer your question?

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: RussianTroll

"Without firing a single shot"?!!!!!!!

You sure about that?

Of course I'm sure. Agreements were made with all the tribal leaders. And the last to leave the territory of Afghanistan was Commander General Gromov. Until now, Russian "shuravi" are respected in Afghanistan, because Russians always keep their word.

Come off it. It was your Vietnam.

You lost. Rather badly.

America created the Taliban against the USSR. Forty years later, the Taliban defeated America.

We're not defeated yet,but it doesn't look good with the U.S. having an
illegal government occupying the White House.This current administration
will sell the American people out for an ice-cream cone and a pudding cup.
American citizens are still armed to the teeth and many of us won't go down
without a fight.

a reply to: RussianTroll

I think in the interests of truth and obedience your illustrious leader may have ordered the site blocked on your country.

Here's a few clips;

Principle VII of the 1975 Helsinki Final Act recognizes the right of individuals to know and act upon their human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion.

The following individuals who were profiled in the Helsinki Commission's April 2017 hearing, "Democracy & Human Rights Abuses in Russia: No End in Sight," illustrate the many cases of political prisoners in Russia today.

Dmitry Buchenkov
Oleg Navalny
Darya Polyudova
Sergei Udaltsov
Ivan Nepomniashchikh
Alexei Pichugin

Now you can go away and ask for and regurgitate the official party line.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Did I answer your question?

In more ways than I think you realise.