The Vaccinated Cause More Resistant Covid Strains

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

Sorry my thoughts.

This seems intuitive to me. With transmission uncontrolled the vaccinated can cause other strains to be more successful. If transmission was controlled then there would be less chances of this happening.

1. If I'm reading their model right, they assume that both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals who contract a vaccine-resistant version of the virus can transmit it to someone who is susceptible. Their model assumes that someone who has been vaccinated has no immunity to an emergent mutation and that people who have already been infected with the wild type will have perfect immunity to the vaccine-resistant version and therefore are the only ones who can't transmit it. It seems that experience to date does not really support that severe of an assumption. Vaccinated individuals still retain some level of immunity to all the emerging variants and some individuals who have recovered from the initial strain of the virus can be infected with the new emerging ones.

And, of course, in order to not transmit the vaccine-resistant version in their model, you have to contract the wild type and take whatever risk of death there is from that.

2. Your last sentence is exactly what the authors of the paper are suggesting:

"Our results suggest that policymakers and individuals should consider maintaining non-pharmaceutical interventions and transmission-reducing behaviours throughout the entire vaccination period."

"non-pharmaceutical interventions" means wearing masks and social distancing.

They are not saying that their results show that vaccination should stop or that it's an ineffective for controlling the pandemic.

Interesting paper. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

a reply to: 1947boomer

I do believe the paper suggested not vaccinating a population until the spread was under control.
It it's not under control then the chances of variants increase.

a reply to: 1947boomer

In conclusion I feel like we should stop blaming each other.

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

Also I invite others to dig up information on this and post here.
I will search for more studies later tonight.

My Aunt and Uncle have been in self quarantine the whole time and they did go out and get the vaccine, not sure which. She is in her 80''s and now has covid and it has been weeks since she went out to get that shot. I think it has to be the source for her.

ETA their groceries are delivered to the door and they don't meet the driver to be extra safe. She is perplexed. She has met a good pulminary physician who is doing well for her now, but she is not happy getting the virus after the shot and not going out for a long time.

a reply to: Justoneman

Ty posts like yours are important.

a reply to: Justoneman

Be aware that people will try to label your story as "anecdotal" and try to disparage it. Stay strong and continue to tell your story.

a reply to: Justoneman

She is in her 80''s and now has covid and it has been weeks since she went out to get that shot.

I don't get the connection. The incubation period for COVID is less than a week and there is no viral material in the vaccines.

she is not happy getting the virus after the shot and not going out for a long time.

I don't think many who contract COVID are happy. Vaccinated or otherwise.

The spikers are spiking. In high vax areas they are going back to mask mandates. It won't be enough to save them from their $cience. We tried warning them.

a reply to: starshift

In high vax areas they are going back to mask mandates.

Low vax areas as well.
And guess which group (vaxxed vs not) is dominating new cases. And hospitalizations. And deaths.

a reply to: Phage

It's hard to tell. Israel is an interesting example. And what is the percentage of hospitalizations, new case, and deaths.

The mRNA vaccines do not seem to stop people from getting and transmitting the virus well, although it is for a shorter period of time. Being that the vaccinated are out and about and not taking enough precautions, it could lead to faster mutation possibilities. I can't take the vaccine, so I don't really go out in public very often because even a mild illness like a severe cold does suck. When out, I still try to social distance and avoid crowded places. I like having the kids and grandkids over, if they give me the virus and I die, it will be worth it to me.

The reason I have spent so much time studying properties of food chemistry in relation to viruses is because I have known from early on that I could not get the vaccine so I just figured I will find how to disable this virus from doing any damage.

Never fear things you do not understand, do research and figure out what is going on then figure out how to lessen the risk and keep it from effecting you.

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

We have some actual numbers.
Here, I'll do the math for you even though it's pretty simple:

We have a population of 9 millon. 80% of whom are vaccinated. 80% of 9 million is 7.2 million, leaving 1.8 million unvaccinated.

We have 514 hospitalizations. 303 are vaccinated, 211 are not.

For every 100,000 people who are vaccinated, 4 are hospitalized.
For every 100,000 people who are not vaccinated, 12 are hospitalized.

Which group seems to be doing 3 times better?

Posted earlier here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Phage

I love this. Where do you factor in asymptomatic cases?

a reply to: Phage

Death comes to every man. Getting vaccinated does not save you from death.

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

I don't think many asymptomatic cases are hospitalized.

a reply to: mikegaiser

Second law of thermodynamics; entropy.

a reply to: Phage

Sure but calculating percentage of deaths vs cases will be far off.

a reply to: mikegaiser

And I was vaccinated for COVID because I'm afraid of dying of it.
And I was vaccinated for flu because I'm afraid of dying of it.
And I was vaccinated for tetanus (again) because I'm afraid of dying it.

a reply to: Phage

That sounds like the narrative.

www.independent.co.uk...

I don't trust the "presented" data as it's filtered to support the hype to further jabs.

a reply to: starshift

So you just make data up.

Good plan.