Texas abortion ban to take effect Wednesday; pro-aborts seeking last-minute block

a reply to: LSU2018

Because any decent person, while being against abortion, will tell you that if you MUST do it, at least do it before a heartbeat is formed.

So, you think there are decent abortions?
Why? Why does it matter when it's done, as long as it's done before the fetus achieves viability?

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Sometimes contraception doesn’t work.

So you have 6 weeks to fix it, what's the problem?

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Christ.. changing to a job where you are working with lots of women can throw your cycle off because all those women along with you are slowly syncing their cycles up to each other.
Two week! The count starts on the date of your last cycle, not when the egg if fertilized or when you are officially late. Two weeks give or take.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

You are not going to end abortion, it simply goes underground like it was before roe v wade

I don't expect it to be ended and I would much prefer to women go to real doctors and hospitals than back alleys. My point is, there is 6 weeks to fix it.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Most women will not even know they’re pregnant at six weeks. if they were using contraception they wouldn’t even be thinking about it most likely.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

so the bucket of funds is used without any real control over where the funds come from.

BS! Planned Parenthood keeps patient records, just like any other medical clinic, and bill insurance companies according to the service's insurance codes, and are then reimbursed for those services. No submission to Medicare/Medicaid for abortion services means no reimbursement for abortion services.

Most Planned Parenthood clinic don't even perform abortions, but do offer referrals. The ones that do offer abortions, most are dedicated clinics that only offer abortion services.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Christ.. changing to a job where you are working with lots of women can throw your cycle off because all those women along with you are slowly syncing their cycles up to each other.
Two week! The count starts on the date of your last cycle, not when the egg if fertilized or when you are officially late. Two weeks give or take.

My wife and I had conception problems. She couldn't carry so I had to inject her with Pregnil daily for six weeks once the zygote took hold. Altogether, having a child cost around $150,000. Since I tend to research everything I do, I understand the cycles pretty well. Roughly 10-12 days from your last menstrual cycle, there will be small changes in temperature that indicate ovulation is occurring, Conception happens generally in the Fallopian tubes and zygote attaches to the uterus followed by a placenta forming. Roughly two weeks later you miss a menstrual cycle so as not to flush out the newly forming embryo. Apparently, the hormonal changes can be detected as early as 6 days. So, even if you just miss a period and go get a pregnancy test, you still have roughly 4 weeks to have an abortion. So what's the problem? You are arguing over a time period?

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: knoxie

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: knoxie

Just responding to you in kind after your "good choices" comments.

Typical of folks like you though....can dish but can't take it. Get to your safe space fast!

And yes, I do feel much better.

You’re the one who clearly got triggered by “good choices “!!!

Lmfao

I looked up what you said you have - Trisomy 18 - and now I feel bad for arguing with you.

Trisomy 18:

Trisomy 18 is a chromosome disorder characterized by having 3 copies of chromosome 18 instead of the usual 2 copies. Signs and symptoms include severe intellectual disability; low birth weight; a small, abnormally shaped head; a small jaw and mouth; clenched fists with overlapping fingers; congenital heart defects; and various abnormalities of other organs. Trisomy 18 is a life-threatening condition; many affected people die before birth or within the first month of life. Some children have survived to their teenage years, but with serious medical and developmental problems. Most cases are not inherited and occur sporadically (by chance).

Bold is mine.

Ya know what.. screw this. All those angry women in TX should take advantage of that new gun law, confiscate their husband or boyfriend's gun and head put the door wearing t shirts saying something like
Just saying no to sex!

And making sure I have the means to enforce it!!!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

so the bucket of funds is used without any real control over where the funds come from.

BS! Planned Parenthood keeps patient records, just like any other medical clinic, and bill insurance companies according to the service's insurance codes, and are then reimbursed for those services. No submission to Medicare/Medicaid for abortion services means no reimbursement for abortion services.

Most Planned Parenthood clinic don't even perform abortions, but do offer referrals. The ones that do offer abortions, most are dedicated clinics that only offer abortion services.

Seriously? You can pick the exact dollars in your bank account from your last deposit? If you can, you got some serious psychic powers going on there ;-) Having that extra $271 million allows them to move money that funded one thing to another thing and then pay for abortions. C'mon, you're smarter than to argue the "drop in the ocean" scenario I hope, meaning can you separate that one drop in the ocean from all the other water?

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Had abortion been kept as a rarity, instead of a culture war that has celebrities telling how proud they are to have had an abortion, you likely wouldn't have seen this happen.

If Republicans weren't on a constant hell bent siege against women's reproductive rights, consistently chipping away at Roe V Wade, subjecting women to degrading and unnecessary expensive and intrusive exams, intimidation and mental counseling, waiting periods, travel, etc., you wouldn't see any of this happening.

Roe V Wade isn't broken. No blue state laws or leftist legislation has altered Roe V Wade at all. Only the people supporting this law and challenging Roe V Wade are people who want to send us back 50 years when men, not women, were in control of women's reproductive rights.

First, you keep using "reproductive rights" as if its a thing. it isn't. In fact, the next part of my position here will expand on the notion of this....but SCOTUS making the ruling of Roe v Wade was not an affirmation of any sort. The ruling means that whatever law the government had on the books at that time was not constitutional. They did not affirm rights, as they have no way to do this beyond ruling on constitutionality. Since they didn't rule in favor of a law, then they did NOT in any way affirm rights of any sort. What they affirmed was that the law, as it was written, was unconstitional.

Which is the actual point that you are missing: Roe v Wade is not and cannot be challenged as it was a ruling that is now case law. What people CAN do is attempt to create a law that is constitutional and outlaws abortion. That is completely legal and within the law, and is how its all supposed to work. The same can be said for pro-abortion: a law COULD be written that created a civil right around reproductive rights. But it has not.

You are laying claim to a ground that you don't own. You don't have "reproductive rights". Nor do I. Its not something that anyone cared enough about to actually address. They were too busy throwing it out as a wedge issue so you and I could argue online.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle
It is six week after your last cycle, the clock start counting before you had sex, before the egg was fertilized.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: LSU2018

Except there is no best way to ride.

You can ride slowly and be good for the environment.
I ride bike because I like the thrill of acceleration and speed.
The worst I've ever been hurt was at 10 miles an hour when I slipped on diesel and broke my femur.

There's no way of putting your own plans onto someone else's life.

You could plan the best pregnancy and come home and find your other half in bed with the neighbours dog...

Plan your own life, not other people's.

I'm not planning anyone's life though, nor am I dictating it. I'm saying that personal responsibility isn't as tough as some are acting like it is. If you have unprotected sex, pop a Plan B pill. If you get raped, pop a Plan B pill, they were made for this exact reason.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

If you have the constitutional right to shoot and kill someone who has broken onto your house because you saw them as a threat to your life, your possessions, your way of life...
Then by that same standard a women can terminate her pregnancy if it poses a threat to her life, health, way of life.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: Vasa Croe


So, unlike you, who clearly didn’t make good choices, my loved ones could be harassed by these bounty assholes for nothing more than their genes. Yay!

It would appear you made bad choices, too, then.

Phew....thank goodness this came along so people will forget about Vax, Biden and Afghanistan for enough news cycles to move on....

Read the bill folks...

originally posted by: dawnstar
Ya know what.. screw this. All those angry women in TX should take advantage of that new gun law, confiscate their husband or boyfriend's gun and head put the door wearing t shirts saying something like
Just saying no to sex!

And making sure I have the means to enforce it!!!

LOL....why are you assuming the women in TX don't have their own guns? That's sexist.

And I would bet the husbands/boyfriends wouldn't really care that much. They may even find that there are plenty of women out there that feel the same way they do and leave.

Just like babies, women are expendable...there are more than men in the world....see how that works?

Like I said before....you are making this black and white. If that is what it is, then there will never be agreement.

a reply to: matafuchs
Hey. It is a distraction from the same ole same ole..

a reply to: andy06shake

Unfair, I want you to be forced to pay for my mistakes.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: knoxie

Just responding to you in kind after your "good choices" comments.

Typical of folks like you though....can dish but can't take it. Get to your safe space fast!

And yes, I do feel much better.

I was going to mention that glaring hypocrisy, but I figured you'd already taken care of it.