The Calvine UFO Photo - Another Hoax?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

The assertion there are no lakes in the area is from none other than nick pope. You can hang your hat on that if you want. Meanwhile, there are small ponds all over that area. People have koi ponds in backyards that can frame that pic. To assert there is no small pond in an entire region not known for aridity is purely a nick pope assertion, imo. Perhaps a photo analyst asserted it cant be a reflection, yet my eyes see a perfect reflection of a still pond, and the rock reflecting back accurately. Until someone proves even one single alien ufo exists, ponds or kites or tricksters hold ground.

a reply to: Warriorpath1

...The assertion there are no lakes in the area is from none other than nick pope.

Oh! really?

You can hang your hat on that if you want...

Well next time you do that don't forget to ask Nick how he's holding up too?

originally posted by: mirageman

It may have something to do with the fact that despite all the denials about certain secret aircraft for decades, this UK Restricted minute ‘Wrap Up of UAP Material’ dated 22 March 2000 clearly refers to there being photographs in a 'secret' UK MoD file.

Source

Revisited this and 2 things stood out:

1: The only mention of Aurora (in relation to Calvine) came from Nick Pope (leading me to surmise he was simply repeating what he'd read in Sweetman's earlier speculative AW article to spice up his commentary - as he tends to).

2: Although the terms "Aurora/Astra" appear in the UAP "official report" from 2000- this could well be ignorance/usage of a none intentional misnomer.
A couple of separate quotes on "Aurora" by Ben Rich and Buz Carpenter (who should know) seem to agree it was, as already speculated by some - an accounting catchall for the wads of cash that were flying out of the AF in the direction of the TS/SCI ATB (Advanced Technology Bomber) program.


Got as far as tracing the first mention of "ASTRA" in context of classified aircraft projects to Ed Fouche (in his original TR3B presentations)- then decided it was time for a long walk....

a reply to: mirageman

Another reason that for me would support the deception option is that photostatic copies appear in the archives, not a better quality image, which would also cast doubt on what Pope wrote in his book about having an enlargement hanging in his office.

Just caught this update:

One of the highest-quality photographs known of a UFO has been recovered, after having disappeared during a government investigation that took place into the sighting more than three decades ago. Described as “by far the best UFO photograph I have ever seen” by UFO researcher Dr David Clarke, the photograph was stashed away by the Royal Air Force officer that originally investigated the case, hidden in his desk from both the public and the government—until now.

Viewed as not a fake:

n 2009 the trail of the Calvine photographs was picked up by Dr David Clarke, an associate professor from Sheffield Hallam University and curator for the MoD UFO files project at The National Archives. After 13 years of research, Clarke managed to track down retired RAF officer Craig Lindsay, who personally interviewed the witnesses; astonishingly, Lindsay had also secretly kept one of the photographs that he was ordered to turn over to the MoD.

That photograph had remained in Lindsay’s desk for 32 years. “I have been for waiting for someone to contact about this for more than 30 years,” he said when Clarke contacted him about the case. The photograph “is clearly a structured craft of unknown origin. It looks other-worldly and unlike any conventional aircraft,” according to Clarke, and “it is by far the best UFO photograph I have ever seen.” After receiving the photograph, Clarke filed it in Sheffield Hallam University archives; the photograph can be viewed in an article about the Calvine case at UAP Media UK.

Clarke had the photograph analyzed by Andrew Robinson, a senior lecturer in photography at Sheffield Hallam University. Robinson concluded that the photograph is of a genuine object, and if faked, would require the use of “expensive, sophisticated equipment and flying models,” according to Clarke.

“My conclusion is that the object is definitely in front of the camera, that is, it’s not a fake produced in post-production, and its placement within the scene appears to be approximately halfway between the foreground fence and the plane in the background,” Robinson told Clarke.

Legendary photograph recovered.

Probably worth following a more recent thread by Macenroe82 for updates :

The Calvine UFO Image is finally out

Just an FYI Nick will be on coast to coast talking about the photo on 9/14/22

www.coasttocoastam.com...

Second Half: Former government UFO investigator Nick Pope will be discussing the latest developments in the field, particularly when it comes to congressional interest. He'll also provide information on the emergence of a photo that some believe to be one of the infamous Calvine UFO photos.

a reply to: ColoradoTemplar

Does this mean Philip Mantle will be out at top speed on Facebook churning out "more" of his love for Nick Pope.

Just saying.

I think that's a possibility baa, lol, no love lost there. a reply to: Baablacksheep

Spooky this should crop up - the 'Stuff they don't want you to know' podcast just covered it.

a reply to: wobbs62

Yes, both are at it. I did notice.

i agree calvine UFO smells like a big hoax

David Clarke finally manages to actually uncover the original photograph from the incident during his investigation and you're all still saying it's a hoax?