The Calvine UFO Photo - Another Hoax?

a reply to: mirageman

Nick is regularly prone to 'exaggeration'

Yeah, the confirmation-biased ufo “ experts” we’ve seen too much of often distort these events to their bias rather than being objective researchers.

a reply to: mirageman

Nick Pope's true job classification was posted here in 2018 by a member. (mirageman - posted on May, 26 2018 @ 10:19 AM)

Nick Pope has no credibility, he was just a desk jockey/paper shuffler.

Scroll down to Mirageman and you'll see the official MINISTRY OF DEFENCE job description "junior desk officer". Fox News has rescued him and made him wealthy because they are gullible fools.

is Nick Pope bulls---? let's discuss
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: idusmartias
a reply to: mirageman

Nick Pope's true job classification was posted here in 2018 by a member. (mirageman - posted on May, 26 2018 @ 10:19 AM)

Nick Pope has no credibility, he was just a desk jockey/paper shuffler.

Scroll down to Mirageman and you'll see the official MINISTRY OF DEFENCE job description "junior desk officer". Fox News has rescued him and made him wealthy because they are gullible fools.

is Nick Pope bulls---? let's discuss
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Did you not realize who were replying to?

originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: idusmartias
a reply to: mirageman

Nick Pope's true job classification was posted here in 2018 by a member. (mirageman - posted on May, 26 2018 @ 10:19 AM)

Nick Pope has no credibility, he was just a desk jockey/paper shuffler.

Scroll down to Mirageman and you'll see the official MINISTRY OF DEFENCE job description "junior desk officer". Fox News has rescued him and made him wealthy because they are gullible fools.

is Nick Pope bulls---? let's discuss
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Did you not realize who were replying to?

This is a classic example of a confused newbie. My apology.

For some reason this story won't go away because Nick Pope will not address the actual facts as it keeps getting his name out there. The people who write for tabloids [in this case Simon Houston - I'd say he has a problem!] are too lazy to research the answers.

Once again today, the Scottish Sun featured the story online :

What was the Calvine UFO sighting and are the photos real?

Alternative Link : here

Let's put this article straight even if Nick Pope refuses to acknowledge them!!

The so-called Calvine Photo was described by former MoD official and flying saucer expert Nick Pope as one of the "most compelling" pieces of UFO evidence he has ever seen....

Pope has read the top-secret file attached to the sighting, which tells of two hikers who were out walking in the countryside near Calvine, which sits on the A9 close to Blair Atholl.

There is no 'top secret' file. The files were released years ago and are linked to in the opening post. Anybody can read them.

...Recalling from the file, he added: "Suddenly, they’d seen a massive UFO hanging in the sky above their heads, silent, motionless and menacing. Awestruck, they shot off six photographs before the object accelerated away at immense speed – vertically!"....

The original file describes the object, but does not describe it accelerating away at immense speed.

Here are the details once again from the files.

... he explained why the amazing image never made its way into the public domain. Pope said: "The shell-shocked witnesses sent the photos to a Scottish newspaper and a journalist contacted the MoD press office, looking for a comment. "Somehow - perhaps using a D-Notice or perhaps using some real-life Men In Black trickery - someone at the MoD managed to extract all the photos and the negatives from the newspaper, who never got them back."

The files were returned to the Daily Record newspaper. If they claimed they didn't receive them then that's a different matter.

....As noted on our catalogue, the full contents of DEFE 24/1940 are closed until 01 January 2076. A redacted version of the file is open and available to download from our catalogue here. There are three folios within this file that relate to the incident in question (pages 35-37 of part 2). There are no photographs contained in the file. The file itself states that the original negatives were returned to the Scottish Daily Record.....

UK National Archives

...A redacted version of the file has been released, including just a blurred photocopied image. A 30-year rule meant it was due to be declassified on January 1 this year — but the Ministry of Defence has now blocked release until 2072 without explanation....

The Ministry of Defence has clearly explained that the only details redacted are the personal details of the photographer.

We understand this query to relate to file DEFE 24/1940,...

...the only closed information within this file is personal information exempt under s40(2) of the FOI Act. The remainder of the file is open and available to download....

UK National Archives Comments

a reply to: mirageman

Simon Houston isn't the only one who can't leave it alone, both of below posted in Feb.

Hello,

I am a researcher assisting Dr David Clarke of Sheffield Hallam University, and we are seeking to make contact with anyone who has information related to the "1990 Calvine UFO incident".

Link

​​​​​​I'm a researcher assisting Dr David Clarke of Sheffield Hallam University.

On or around 4th August 1990, an unidentified, "diamond-shaped" aircraft was allegedly photographed flying beside a Harrier jump jet near Calvine, Scotland, having possibly used the Machrihanish U.S. air base.

Link

a reply to: mirageman

Hoax shmoax! Who cares? You can see superior, REAL photos and videos on TV on many "...Caught On Camera" programs. You don't see any government agencies trying to stop the photos and videos from being shown and seen by millions of viewers. This mythical Men In Black scenario is just so much bull feces. Here's to cell phones.

a reply to: idusmartias

I think you and some others are missing the point, something that Dr David Clarke obviously hasn't.

That point being in all likelihood there is a copy of a genuine photo in the released file of a highly advanced experimental military airframe that could be behind many triangle UFO reports (incl the Belgium wave), and that considering how advanced it was then 30 years ago what further capabilities have been developed since.

originally posted by: chunder
a reply to: idusmartias

I think you and some others are missing the point, something that Dr David Clarke obviously hasn't.

That point being in all likelihood there is a copy of a genuine photo in the released file of a highly advanced experimental military airframe that could be behind many triangle UFO reports (incl the Belgium wave), and that considering how advanced it was then 30 years ago what further capabilities have been developed since.

While I may not have expressed so (can't think of everything unless there's a trigger) I always considered triangle-shaped "UFOs" to be human constructs instead of alien. They are aerodynamic something aliens don't need to consider for their craft. I accept that humans are limited when it comes to aircraft and don't know how to construct aircraft that violate the human laws of aerodynamics as aliens are obviously capable of doing. I'm sure that there's a lot of secret material showing advanced experimental human-created aircraft but they do not resemble or behave in an alien manner.

I'm struggling to understand your point in general but specifically regarding below.

originally posted by: idusmartias
but they do not resemble or behave in an alien manner.

What resemblance and behaviour are you referring to ?

originally posted by: chunder
I'm struggling to understand your point in general but specifically regarding below.

originally posted by: idusmartias
but they do not resemble or behave in an alien manner.

What resemblance and behaviour are you referring to ?

idus: "I'm sure that there's a lot of secret material showing advanced experimental human-created aircraft but they do not resemble or behave in an alien manner."

Simple. Whatever advanced experimental aircraft is created by humans it won't violate our laws of aerodynamics. Aliens are not affected by our laws of aerodynamics, they must laugh at our ignorance.

a reply to: idusmartias

There is absolutely no reason to believe that any "alien" craft (or UFO's) do not also have to obey the (our) laws of aerodynamics.

It is possible that they use technology to overcome some of them that humans have not yet developed but that's a different thing altogether.

originally posted by: chunder
a reply to: idusmartias

There is absolutely no reason to believe that any "alien" craft (or UFO's) do not also have to obey the (our) laws of aerodynamics.

It is possible that they use technology to overcome some of them that humans have not yet developed but that's a different thing altogether.

There as many reasons as there are sightings recorded or not. Your second sentence doesn't make sense.

a reply to: idusmartias

Let me try and explain further then.

There is no evidence to suggest that a physical craft of alien origin will not have to obey the laws of aerodynamics if flying in earth's atmosphere.

However, should there be such a thing it may have what to us is an alien method of propulsion / lift.

After all these years this is supposedly the real deal.

One of the original photos snapped of the Calvine UFO. All thanks to Dr. David Clarke.

.....As a university lecturer and investigative reporter who’s spent three decades immersed in the world of UFOlogy, I heard the story of the mysterious ‘Calvine file’ — as the missing photo and report of that incident at Calvine came to be known — many moons ago and have devoted the past 13 years doggedly searching for the images the men took.

What happened to the file, the men who pictured the UFO and how and why its very existence has been suppressed for 32 years, was a puzzle I was determined to crack. Wherever I searched for answers, however, I found insiders blocking my inquiries — until I struck lucky and found retired RAF officer Craig Lindsay, the first official to speak to one of the young chefs after that night.

He was willing to talk to me and, most exciting of all, I discovered that he’d broken protocol that day and stashed a copy of the image before, on Whitehall’s orders, sending the entire dossier — negatives included — to the Ministry of Defence in London.

He’d kept the secret copy in his desk for 32 years — hidden inside his copy of Great Aircraft Of The World. When I eventually tracked him down, now 83 and still living in Scotland, he sounded almost relieved.

‘I have been for waiting for someone to contact about this for more than 30 years,’ he said.

So, what do I make of it? The moment Craig showed the photograph to me I knew I was looking at something exceptional. Yes, it is a black and white image, printed on colour paper, and the trees and fence look a little blurry, as if the photographer took it in a moment of panic — which is consistent with their story. But the camera is focused on the weird diamond shaped object in the centre of the frame. Unlike many other UFO images, this is clearly a structured craft of unknown origin. It looks other-worldly and unlike any conventional aircraft.

And it is by far the best UFO photograph I have ever seen.

Full story archived here :The Mail UK

A High-res image can be seen here : Archived Link

a reply to: mirageman

My previous guess appears correct then in that the "line drawing" contained within the previously released MOD files is actually a cropped version of that photo.

a reply to: chunder

I didn't quite get the perspective exact. But this should give an approximate comparison by overlaying one on the other.



It would seem that this photo was the original source for the "line-drawing".

The amount of rumor and circumstantial evidence surrounding a certain contractors stealth blimp from the 80's is legion.

Very few aviation ITK'ers liked the idea because several of the reports had certain none typical LTA flight characteristics- such as abrupt altitude changes and accelerations etc.

Never really took Calvine (or the stealth blimp) seriously because it is so technically difficult to achieve instantaneous acceleration in atmosphere - regardless of shape.

Not so sure now.

a reply to: mirageman

I thought it had been pretty well established that was a rock partly above the water’s surface of a small pond, with the bottom half just a reflection of itself. The sky and jet are in the water’s reflection.

Didnt read the thread so pls ignore if this has been covered or proven inaccurate.

originally posted by: Warriorpath1
a reply to: mirageman

I thought it had been pretty well established that was a rock partly above the water’s surface of a small pond, with the bottom half just a reflection of itself. The sky and jet are in the water’s reflection.

How did this 'rock in water' bollocks gain traction? Was it Mick West and his team of tunnel-vision Metabunk puppies? Don't get me wrong, West has done some great work over the years, but there are limits to his mania for debunking anything and everything. If it was raining outside his house, he'd probably ask for a second opinion on the water's wetness.

I think it's obvious that this is an object in the sky, midway between the photographer and the jet, 100ft in diameter, and hovering in one spot. Few dispute that, including the highly sceptical Dr. Clarke and his photographic expert.

One issue with the 'rock in water' theory is that there is NO WATER in that area - not now, not in 1990.

Then came the equally bizarre "It's a mountain peak surrounded by mist!" hypothesis. And people ran with that, too, amazingly.

When that failed, someone screamed "It's a MIRAGE!!"

Or "I can see STRINGS!!!"


Meanwhile, back in the land of sanity, what the object actually IS...? Pfft, who knows. I'd say man-made, but it's so bizarre. It could be an elaborate kite, but equally it could be something very exotic. Or we could carry on guessing until the cows come home, or until a witness actually SPEAKS.

Place yer bets!