Two die in Japan after shots from suspended Moderna vaccines - Japan govt

a reply to: Phage

No. mRNAs have not being tested in humans only in some with rare expectations for cancer study.
Your deflecting that study with one line response.

a reply to: Phage

Here is the warning.

Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

a reply to: HawkEyi

mRNAs have not being tested in humans only in some with rare expectations for cancer study.

Incorrect.
They were tested on tens of thousands of humans before the EUAs were issued.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Itisnowagain

No amount of money can make long term effects happen faster.

Nor can claims that such effects are inevitable.

Long term side effects need time......not claims.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: HawkEyi

Yes. The clinical trials were expedited because of the emergency.

So now all the at risk people are dosed up the clinical trials can continue without the rash recklessness the emergency invoked?

a reply to: Phage

I think it's a bit early to say "best coronavirus vaccine yet". Nobody knows at this point. Maybe they did figure it out after almost 50 years of working on it. The first coronavirus vaccine was introduced in 1976 for swine flu. It wasn't mRNA, it was a traditional vaccine and even that didn't work. All vaccines are based on giving the person a weakened, even dead virus, to the person's immune system. That didn't work for coronavirus.

And yes, that's how mRNA vaccines work, they mimick a protien (spike) of the cell so your immune system knows to target that protien if seen again.

mRNA based vaccines have never been used for coronavirus until now. Nothing has worked in the past.

My big take away is, if your cells are making the spike protien and your immune system recognizes these cells as being bad actors, you have to be very careful what cells are making the protien. This is a lot like HIV/AIDS in a way. Your immune system learns to kill cells that are beneficial to your survival. If the beneficial cells are making the spike protien, your immune system will actually kill the cells that keep you alive.

a reply to: Dalamax

The original cohort is being monitored, if that's what you mean.

a reply to: Phage
The placebo group (if that's what you mean by original cohort) have taken the vaccine.

So the emergency use can be revoked and the clot shot can go back to clinical trials on a lab bench in wuhan?

a reply to: Phage

a reply to: litterbaux

I think it's a bit early to say "best coronavirus vaccine yet".

There are better ones?

My big take away is, if your cells are making the spike protien and your immune system recognizes these cells as being bad actors, you have to be very careful what cells are making the protien.

Mostly the ones near the injection site. But mRNA is a fragile molecule (that's why the cold storage), it doesn't last long. Once it's gone, no more spike protein is produced.

Your immune system learns to kill cells that are beneficial to your survival.

No. It "learns" to attack a given protein. The virus depends upon that protein to attack our cells. Attack the protein and the virus is "disarmed."

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: litterbaux

I think it's a bit early to say "best coronavirus vaccine yet".

There are better ones?

Who can say until the clinical trials are complete and reviewed.

a reply to: Dalamax

So, then "best yet" applies.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Dalamax

So, then "best yet" applies.

How can you tell?

They may still be more detrimental then beneficial.

That’s why there are trials conducted in clinical conditions.

Otherwise it could be the sunshine and fresh air that eradicated the threat, we wouldn’t be able to tell.

a reply to: Dalamax

How can you tell?

Because there are no others.
Duh.

They may still be more detrimental then beneficial.

Yeah. But probably not.

Otherwise it could be the sunshine and fresh air that eradicated the threat, we wouldn’t be able to tell.

Didn't work in the summer of 2020, or the summer of 2021. Did it?

Haven’t seen a dead hobo yet and their the only people breathing fresh air and getting sunshine.

a reply to: Phage

a reply to: Dalamax

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Do you hang out with hobos?

originally posted by: Dalamax
Haven’t seen a dead hobo yet and they are the only people breathing fresh air and getting sunshine.

a reply to: Phage

Hard to tell if they’ve been jabbed or not though.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Dalamax

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Do you hang out with hobos?

My point is we have no way of telling.

I’m actually a little jelly of the bums and hobos.

Like I said they’re enjoying fresh air and sunshine for more then an hour a day lol

I don’t need hobos, I’ve got ATS

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: Dalamax
Haven’t seen a dead hobo yet and they are the only people breathing fresh air and getting sunshine.

a reply to: Phage

Hard to tell if they’ve been jabbed or not though.

You won't hear about the dead homeless, that would admit that homeless are a real problem in America.

a reply to: Dalamax

Well good for them, then.