Natural Immunity is Superior to Vaccine Induced Immunity—Delta Variant

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Xtrozero

Long term covid is a fallacy a sales pitch, for treatments and what nots, what you going to be for the rest of you life aware of is the real long term effects of the shots and the never ending boosters.

Right in the fact sheet for Comirnity, you can look at their own numbers and see double the rate of occurrence for several of their side effects on the second shot vs the first. This is their data. This could beg the question, what about #3 shot, #4 shot?

a reply to: marg6043

I'm now currently Covid positive with all the symptoms. I'm in the at risk age group but I'm not so fussed in that regard. I have a cough, headache, cold shivers and earache. The cough was so bad it kept me up all night but I haven't coughed this morning. The two seventeen year olds in my home with Covid seem to have shaken off the flu like symptoms. It's kind of worked it's way through us with me being the last to catch it. We are all unvaccinated although I've just received a letter offering my seventeen year old grandson the vaccine. He will probably have it as he wants to have access to events etc.

a reply to: Halfswede

If the first of second did not scare some out of their mind I am sure just thinking into been forced for a third or fourth shot will, or a future of never ending them, accumulating in the cells and do what ever in the body.

Just a bright future.

a reply to: midicon

I hope you taking your temperature for the spikes, my son in law after having covid, with what he said it was cold symptoms, he is still coughing and is been over a month. He was no vaccinated.

You need to get tested make sure is covid, clinic have drive thru testing sides and will give you a result while you wait in your car.

a reply to: marg6043

We did the home tests and one of the youngsters in my home went to the test centres just to make sure and they confirmed it. In fact my grandson was in a house last weekend where there was a Covid case and now two of his friends are positive too.

To be honest I take no medication for anything and never go near health professionals. I've never taken my temperature for anything. I just get on with it and trust in my immune system.

a reply to: midicon

I hope everything is good, for most people and that is millions, this does nothing more than cold symptoms, but is always the few that it will be deadly, take care of yourself.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: network dude

What the anti-vaxxers are ignoring is that tens of thousands of people have survived covid, but were very sick and wracked up huge medical bills. Even somebody who is only moderately sick is going to be ill for a week, maybe two.

This might mot sound very much but for people on the breadline it's very destructive.

those who got it before a vaccine was available are super sorry they cost you so much out of pocket money, but I assure you, they didn't do it with bad intent. Some of us just got sick, cried like little girls as men do when we feel poorly, and got over it. The me part of we, would like to skip the trial vaccine program, as I would be a better test subject without the shot.

a reply to: marg6043

You are a good person.

I wonder if the people that have died from COVID would actually agree with this conclusion. You have to catch it first and roll the dice. I'm glad I'm vaccinated and not leaving it to chance with a bottle of cow dewormer and a serious case of paranoia about being controlled by the state and 'big pharma'.

a reply to: M4ngo

Natural immunity is always better, except of course for the people who have a compromised or degraded immune system.

originally posted by: MrNewWorldOrder
I wonder if the people that have died from COVID would actually agree with this conclusion. You have to catch it first and roll the dice. I'm glad I'm vaccinated and not leaving it to chance with a bottle of cow dewormer and a serious case of paranoia about being controlled by the state and 'big pharma'.

I do think the immuno-compromised, elderly and obese should get the vaccine. That’s the category of people at high-risk for adverse reactions.

originally posted by: M4ngo
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I have always believed natural immunity is most likely superior to a vaccine induced immunity, and it just makes logical sense that it would be. I suppose time will tell with COVID as more data comes in. These are promising early data for natural immunity and we should all be glad that natural immunity has a strong protection against the Delta variant.

Without question. The mRNA vaccines produce antibodies against the spike protein (or maybe a component of it?), while natural immunity is against the whole virus, creates memory t-cells, and is less susceptible to evasion via mutation.

Pure logic.

Thats such nonsense..

It's to counter all the blod clots reports the vaccines are providing.

They don't class full vaccinated untill you have your 2nd jab

So if you had your first jab then die froma blood clotting within 2 weeks of waiting for your 2nd jab. Then it goes down as not vaccinated.

Another way they twist the figures. Just like the 28 day rule of you die with covid.

Natural.immunity is far more superior.

CAaarghZombies

originally posted by: dogstar23

originally posted by: M4ngo
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I have always believed natural immunity is most likely superior to a vaccine induced immunity, and it just makes logical sense that it would be. I suppose time will tell with COVID as more data comes in. These are promising early data for natural immunity and we should all be glad that natural immunity has a strong protection against the Delta variant.

Without question. The mRNA vaccines produce antibodies against the spike protein (or maybe a component of it?), while natural immunity is against the whole virus, creates memory t-cells, and is less susceptible to evasion via mutation.

Pure logic.

We're talking about adaptive immunity here and both the vaccine and infection with the virus train the immunie system in similar ways really. It does seem there is some emerging evidence that suggests infection with the virus produces longer lasting immunity but we'll need more time to develop a robust evidence base here. Still makes more sense to just get vaccinated and probably end up catching the virus in future (as we probably all will at some point), but maybe I'm just too logical here? Love your reference to memory T cells, in addition to what we know as memory B cells. I think we are still working on a standardised definition for memory T cells as there is not unilateral definition among scientists just yet. Less susceptible to mutation of the virus though? Mmm...that is interesting and I'm not sure if we have that data in yet, so best not to make that argument. We shall see and we shall watch this space.

I think OP might have missed the conclusion from the report he linked.

Link to study

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger
protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the
Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced
immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and
given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta
variant.

Take note that the strongest protection identified in this study was from those who had a previous infection and a single dose of the vaccine. The study did not analyze those who had two doses and a previous infection.

Everyone terrified about needing perpetual booster shots forever (or those who use the concept to monger fear), consider the concept that everyone will need to catch covid once before herd immunity becomes plausible. The vaccine appears to reduce severe symptoms (if you are willing to accept the results of peer reviewed clinical investigations).

IMO - the risk is yours to take.