Natural Immunity is Superior to Vaccine Induced Immunity—Delta Variant

a reply to: 1947boomer

They are so effective your needing multiple Jabs on accelerated timelines

Biden says U.S. health officials are considering Covid booster shots within 5 months, moving up timeline of third shot

Like Sheep to Saughter

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Latest data from the UK tells us that people who catch covid are at 8 or 9 times more at risk of a blood clots or thrombosis than people who are vaxxed.

More sensational news media fear mongering and fake data to make sure you get vaxed. But dont forget your yearly booster shots according to the CDC the first addition of booster shots for Pfizer and J&J are coming this fall and problary winter.

a reply to: MetalThunder

Whats worse of this is that they knew about the waning immunity of those safe and effective mRNA vaxs i surely am not going to be lining up to take my booster shots or getting vaxed.

I knew they would go with this.


But i wonder would our great leaders, public health officals do anymore of those stupid photo ops of themsevel getting vaxed for the booster shots?

I'm on like day 9 of covid, had very little sickness downtime.. the only major issue im having still is the loss of taste and smell.. 34 yrs old, been pretty healthy my whole life, had the flu a few times, no vax of any kind except when I was a kid.

I feel the body has a better answer to covid as long as you aren't immune compromised.. I see zero reason for anybody who has recovered from covid to even consider getting the vax. I also don't think anybody who has recovered from covid naturally should be mandated to do anything.

a reply to: MetalThunder

People aren't getting sick enough, fast enough.

I looked at the correlation between the covid-19 vaccines and covid-19 cases and hospitalizations. It is crazy how increased vaccinations cause increased hospitalizations during the first 7 months of this year!

originally posted by: M4ngo
Natural immunity is demonstrated to be significantly stronger and longer lasting against the Delta variant compared to the so-called Pfizer vaccine.

I have always believed natural immunity is most likely superior to a vaccine induced immunity, and it just makes logical sense that it would be. I suppose time will tell with COVID as more data comes in. These are promising early data for natural immunity and we should all be glad that natural immunity has a strong protection against the Delta variant.

Previous Covid Prevents Delta Infection Better Than Pfizer Shot

I figure that with natural immunity, that you have to build up immunity to more than one mutation.

There's a lot of people who hid in their homes for the first two waves of Covid, not just in the United States but also other countries around the world. I kind of think that these government shutdowns and forcing people to hide in their homes may have killed so many people around the world.

The earlier strains of Covid from March and April 2020 are the weaker strains. For most who recovered from those strains they began a building block of natural immunity to future strains. Each future strain of Covid mutates to be better at evading the human immune system.

Those who fought off an Alpha strain also achieved a natural immunity to a weaker strain giving them some immunity to later mutations.

So for those building up immunity to pre-alpha Covid, Alpha, Beta and/or Gamma, catching Delta became easier to fight off.

But for those who hid in their homes while the government slapped their hands and waved their fingers saying "shut down" --- those people are screwed. Since their bodies were unable to catch and build up some form of immunity to a weaker Covid strain, delta is more deadly to them.

It's similar to a phenomena of first born children having more allergies and illnesses. Usually new parents with their first born child try to keep the child's environment overly clean, like a hospital. When the child goes to leave the home, the child has not developed immunity to all the normal things that other kids catch. The child lived in an overly clean hospital-like home. And such first born children also tend to have toi many allergies when they go outside.

By the governments of the world demanding shut downs and forcing people to stay indoors and overly clean their homes, and to walk around with masks pretending the outside world is a hospital, they have created the same situation.

Without natural immunity to one of the earlier WEAKER strains of Covid, these people stand little chance of survival against Delta or Lambda or other future mutations of Covid.

The world is not a hospital and people can't live in bubbles.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Latest data from Israel disputes your unproven claim.

Link, please.

My proof is the link that you will provide, as the latest data backs me up.

Show the latest data or STFU.

I'm challenging something that you said, I'm not going to provide any data because I'm the one who says that this is BS. I don't believe that the data exists. So I can't link to it.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: MetalThunder

People aren't getting sick enough, fast enough.

I looked at the correlation between the covid-19 vaccines and covid-19 cases and hospitalizations. It is crazy how increased vaccinations cause increased hospitalizations during the first 7 months of this year!

But most of the sick people were unvaxxed. All that this proves is that the unvaxxed stopped social distancing so cases went up.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: M4ngo
Natural immunity is demonstrated to be significantly stronger and longer lasting against the Delta variant compared to the so-called Pfizer vaccine.

What if you do not have natural immunity and when you catch the virus it kills you?

Then you would die.

a reply to: MetalThunder

But people with natural immunity will also have the same problem. It will fade over time and they will be susceptible again.

a reply to: network dude

What the anti-vaxxers are ignoring is that tens of thousands of people have survived covid, but were very sick and wracked up huge medical bills. Even somebody who is only moderately sick is going to be ill for a week, maybe two.

This might mot sound very much but for people on the breadline it's very destructive.

a reply to: HawkEyi

Is just soo unreal, now lying to the public is the new normal, we know that the reason for the blood cloth is the darn jabs, specially moderna and Pfizer.

Are we going to let big pharma run our lives, our government and our laws? with fake data?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Common cold is the same, Flu is the same, any viral upper infection will put you down for a while, we were doing just fine before that.

What change it? yep profit making, record profit making, money talks Bull crap walks within the medical industry.

Pre-existing immunity to Covid-19 – Marc Girardot of PANDA unpacks its evolution

....Girardot explores the extent and evolution of our pre-existing immunity to Covid-19. Girardot eloquently shows that before it even existed – human beings were largely immunised against Covid-19 due to cross-immunity. He underpins this assertion with numerous references to studies and research papers, one of which found that 80-98% of blood samples taken throughout the globe had cross-reactive T-cells. In simple terms, this means that 80-98% of the world population likely has a significant degree of pre-existing immunity against SARS-CoV-2, which Girardot argues is an explanation for the overall low fatality rates of Covid-19. Using simple analogies, Girardot addresses the various concerns that surround Covid-19. He compares the pandemic to a wildfire without “dry wood”, stating that ‘this pandemic had no fuel. In other words, people were somehow “immune”, and indeed many were asymptomatic.’ ...

a reply to: MetalThunder

My husband and I have a friend that her anti bodies against covid are soo high she is been asked to donate plasma, she tested for covid last year, in the beginning of the pandemic when jabs were no available, she had mild symptoms, she started to test for anti bodies periodically to keep track of her natural immunity, soo far up to now her anti bodies are still very high.

She is the one encouraging me to get tested to see if the reason my husband and I have not gotten sick, soo far is because of anti bodies.

My husband and I refuse to use mask and been all over, mingle and dinned and still up today no symptoms at all beside a mild sinus or sore throat that do not last long.

originally posted by: network dude

Then you would die.

Yep, be kind of nice not to have that happen...lol I think that was the whole vaccine part to reduce that initial infection so you live. Seems like its doing just that.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

What the anti-vaxxers are ignoring is that tens of thousands of people have survived covid, but were very sick and wracked up huge medical bills. Even somebody who is only moderately sick is going to be ill for a week, maybe two.

This might mot sound very much but for people on the breadline it's very destructive.

Well how much is 3 weeks in a hospital cost, or months? Then we have long COVID that can drag people out longer for up to a year...

Long COVID

I really got the vaccine to help prevent just this above. No real fear of dying to it, but I don't want to fight it for weeks either.

Meh, if it ain't broken, dont fix it.

A million a statistic.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Long term covid is a fallacy a sales pitch, for treatments and what nots, what you going to be for the rest of you life aware of is the real long term effects of the shots and the never ending boosters.

originally posted by: marg6043

Long term covid is a fallacy a sales pitch, for treatments and what nots, what you going to be for the rest of you life aware of is the real long term effects of the shots and the never ending boosters.

What I linked to is from Harvard... So is that a sales pitch?

Booster will most likely be for the very high risk just like a flu shot is.

ALL proteins can only last a max of 3 weeks in your body, add in your body actively trying to get rid of one and it is safe to suggest that 3 weeks is greatly reduced. So if you are worried about blood clots, Myocarditis, you brain exploding etc it should happen while the proteins are active or at least within some short time period after they are gone.

So here I am at 7 months with not even a sore arms as a reactions, so what is it I need to worry about in lets say 3 years?