It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
If it's the Delta variant their vax may not be effective against it.
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: hounddoghowlie
According to this page www.healthdata.org... on some of the vaccines they are down to 56% effective against Beta, Delta, and Gamma variants.
AstraZeneca and J&J are at that level. And if they caught a newer variant the effectiveness level could be quite a bit lower.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: hounddoghowlie
According to this page www.healthdata.org... on some of the vaccines they are down to 56% effective against Beta, Delta, and Gamma variants.
AstraZeneca and J&J are at that level. And if they caught a newer variant the effectiveness level could be quite a bit lower.
56% percent effective is would still save a couple of hundred thousand lives in the US alone.
originally posted by: ntech
At 77 and 79 Jesse and his wife is in the age group Covid is most deadly. However their vax is an early version. Which version of Covid did they catch? If it's the Delta variant their vax may not be effective against it. For them hopefully their doctor is up to date on 2nd level therapies and are using them.
It could be embarrassing if vaxed celebrities and the vaxed in general started dying from Covid variants. Could mean the binary bioweapon is being triggered by something other that the intended trigger virus.
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Thoughtcrime
You bring back a lot of memories for me. Some not pleasant. In the mid-70's I became a member of the southside Chicago gang "Deuce Racketeers". Your friend is right about Jesse Jackson. He was pompous and self-serving. Noone ever identified as being helped by Rainbow Push, beyond it's neighborhood daycare service.
originally posted by: angelchemuel
Here's that 6-12 month period the 'other' Dr's have warned us about.
This winter is not going to be good. It will make last year look like a walk in the park
Sad Rainbows
Jane
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Thoughtcrime
You bring back a lot of memories for me. Some not pleasant. In the mid-70's I became a member of the southside Chicago gang "Deuce Racketeers". Your friend is right about Jesse Jackson. He was pompous and self-serving. Noone ever identified as being helped by Rainbow Push, beyond it's neighborhood daycare service.
He used Rainbow Push to launder the payoffs he gets. He then would extort corporations for payoffs and business opportunities which is how his sons got that beer distributorship business.
originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: hounddoghowlie
According to this page www.healthdata.org... on some of the vaccines they are down to 56% effective against Beta, Delta, and Gamma variants.
AstraZeneca and J&J are at that level. And if they caught a newer variant the effectiveness level could be quite a bit lower.
56% percent effective is would still save a couple of hundred thousand lives in the US alone.
Do you understand what 50% effective would mean in this case?
originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: hounddoghowlie
According to this page www.healthdata.org... on some of the vaccines they are down to 56% effective against Beta, Delta, and Gamma variants.
AstraZeneca and J&J are at that level. And if they caught a newer variant the effectiveness level could be quite a bit lower.
56% percent effective is would still save a couple of hundred thousand lives in the US alone.
Do you understand what 50% effective would mean in this case?
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: ntech
At 77 and 79 Jesse and his wife is in the age group Covid is most deadly. However their vax is an early version. Which version of Covid did they catch? If it's the Delta variant their vax may not be effective against it. For them hopefully their doctor is up to date on 2nd level therapies and are using them.
It could be embarrassing if vaxed celebrities and the vaxed in general started dying from Covid variants. Could mean the binary bioweapon is being triggered by something other that the intended trigger virus.
Meanwhile the ones who recovered from Covid-19 (and read), will avoid the vaccines/boosters and remain free of Covid variants.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: ntech
At 77 and 79 Jesse and his wife is in the age group Covid is most deadly. However their vax is an early version. Which version of Covid did they catch? If it's the Delta variant their vax may not be effective against it. For them hopefully their doctor is up to date on 2nd level therapies and are using them.
It could be embarrassing if vaxed celebrities and the vaxed in general started dying from Covid variants. Could mean the binary bioweapon is being triggered by something other that the intended trigger virus.
Meanwhile the ones who recovered from Covid-19 (and read), will avoid the vaccines/boosters and remain free of Covid variants.
No, it means that their level of immunity will fade with time in a similar manner. Immunity form the vax and immunity form infection are virtually indistinguishable.
originally posted by: themessengernevermatters
originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: hounddoghowlie
According to this page www.healthdata.org... on some of the vaccines they are down to 56% effective against Beta, Delta, and Gamma variants.
AstraZeneca and J&J are at that level. And if they caught a newer variant the effectiveness level could be quite a bit lower.
56% percent effective is would still save a couple of hundred thousand lives in the US alone.
Do you understand what 50% effective would mean in this case?
When probability hits fifty, you may as well just flip a coin. Heads your safe; tails your not. Might as well pull out the witchdoctor bag and start proactively using the very real placebo/ nocebo effect.
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: themessengernevermatters
originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
originally posted by: AaarghZombies
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: hounddoghowlie
According to this page www.healthdata.org... on some of the vaccines they are down to 56% effective against Beta, Delta, and Gamma variants.
AstraZeneca and J&J are at that level. And if they caught a newer variant the effectiveness level could be quite a bit lower.
56% percent effective is would still save a couple of hundred thousand lives in the US alone.
Do you understand what 50% effective would mean in this case?
When probability hits fifty, you may as well just flip a coin. Heads your safe; tails your not. Might as well pull out the witchdoctor bag and start proactively using the very real placebo/ nocebo effect.
Um, 50% effectiveness doesn't mean that you have a 50-50 chance of infection. It means that you have a 1 in 13 chance of infection because you're base chance of infection doesn't start off with 1-1.
And you can add any naturally acquired immunity on top of that if you've been exposed to Covid but didn't get sick.