Impeachment Articles Filed Against President Joseph R. Biden on August 20th 2021.

a reply to: network dude

I agree with this and others here. This is also my argument and Gortex and a few others are falling very short of defending it.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Yes, I saw that at the time.

Then please do tell why it is you have been constantly banging on about Biden canceling air support in April and how air support was promised in the peace deal but not delivered

Joe supported, then didn't, then did again for a few days after too late as cya, then stopped supporting again.

Is that supposed to somehow absolve joe from not delivering the promised air support?

Because he changed his mind for a few days?



And since you provided such clear evidence that joe actually knew all along how badly it was going...

Why is it that joe STILL didn't start planning an evacuation?

Inexcusable.

democrats put a bumbling idiot in the whitehouse.

This is one of the consequences.



Do you even recognize the circles you've been traveling in frantic effort to support what joe just did?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: carewemust

President Biden on the other hand, is DIRECTLY responsible for the loss of innocent lives in Afghanistan, via a botched U.S. withdrawal from the country.

President Biden is partially responsible but had no control over the direction of travel ,the final withdrawal was mishandled but due to the deal signed by his predecessor the withdrawal had to take place otherwise the war with the Taliban would have been back on and troops would have had to be sent back to the country.

It was wrong thinking from the previous administration that started this mess not the final withdrawal.

Leaving isnt the problem. How we left is. So Biden owns it 100%

And yet there are more than 55,000 troops on 23 bases in Japan and Okinawa. They have been there since 1945. Japan itself has 150,000 troops but can only be used for defense. Without US support, Japan would not repel an invasion from China or N Korea for very long.

a reply to: gortex

Network Dude has pointed out the following...

"Trump's plan was to remove civilians, then equipment, then troops."

If this is true then how can Trump take any of the blame if biden didn't do it in this order? Once biden does just ONE thing that wasn't in Trump's original plan then ANY blame to Trump goes out the window. It's already speculation at best to even attempt to attribute any blame on Trump in the first place, let alone change variables.

I noticed you stated earlier that the majority of supposed American citizen's that people are referring to that joey left behind are actually Afghanistanians....

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby has admitted that between 5,000 to 10,000 US citizens are still trapped in Afghanistan.

source

Do you not agree that it was a major blunder on biden's part to not exit in this order, citizens, equipment then troops?

The blood of any Americans in Afghanistan will be on the hands of biden. biden is literally a stumbling bumbling idiot, like seriously. This is one of the worst blunders in history and biden owns all of it.

a reply to: gortex

You sure seem in a hurry to blame trump while our military sits in the airport and Biden and his leaders say if you can't get to us sorry nothing we can do.

While the Brits and the french roll out the gates and get their people, afghan allies, and even some Americans in need.

The agreement is irrelevant we failed so epically in execution of the agreement this is all on the Biden administration.

But it's just Joe, look up his comments about evacuating south Vietnamese during the fall of Saigon.

ETA: here saved you the trouble of looking,

"Biden said: “I do not believe the United States has an obligation, moral or otherwise, to evacuate foreign nationals. … The United States has no obligation to evacuate one, or 100,001, South Vietnamese.”

The SOB doesnt care about the people being beaten and executed in Afghanistan.. thats why there was no planning done, they had more than enough time to figure out how to get our people and our allies out and did not care this is on him.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: carewemust

President Biden on the other hand, is DIRECTLY responsible for the loss of innocent lives in Afghanistan, via a botched U.S. withdrawal from the country.

President Biden is partially responsible but had no control over the direction of travel ,the final withdrawal was mishandled but due to the deal signed by his predecessor the withdrawal had to take place otherwise the war with the Taliban would have been back on and troops would have had to be sent back to the country.

It was wrong thinking from the previous administration that started this mess not the final withdrawal.

if it was "wrong thinking from the previous administration that started this mess", then why didn't biden do anything to change it, to make it right? we saw that he was able to, and felt he was able to change the date of the withdrawal. so why did he not put it even further off, since that was in his power as evidenced by him extending things? why did he not completely stop it once it became obvious that any said deal was being broken by the other side? which of course means any deal was null and void.

sorry, but this is ALL on biden and the government under biden. the way the withdrawal has been done and handled is also ALL on biden and his government, which is not even something you can even consider putting on Trump. all of the intact equipment and weapons left, intact, which will end up in the hands of not just terrorists, but also enemy nations like China and Russia to study, copy, and make countermeasures for, is also ALL on biden, and his government. and all of those involved in this fiasco, from biden, through congress and the senate, through the pentagon and CIA, right down to the officers and government officials in Afghanistan, should all be arrested and tried for dereliction of duty and treason.

Our mistake right now is believing that what is happening in Afghanistan is not intentional on our part. To me it looks like we and intentionally kicking things off.

originally posted by: FunshineCD

President Trump was impeached TWICE for things so minor, most Americans can't even name what they were.

a reply to: carewemust
[snipped]trump is so last season... But what you call minor, I think are pretty major. The insurection, not really his fault. Maybe by proxy but not directly, the call to the Ukrain, to dig up dirt on Biden, I think that was totally on him. Now you post MJG papers of impeachment? She is the biggest POS in congress. yet you support her I suppose. What covid policies do you belive Biden should be impeached on?

The proof was required in the senate.

It did not exist.

So Trump was not convicted/removed.



Trump made a call.

There was zero evidence that anything illegal happened on that call.

Democrats impeached over a 4th person rumor.

Zero evidence.

originally posted by: FunshineCD

President Trump was impeached TWICE for things so minor, most Americans can't even name what they were.

a reply to: carewemust
I......... trump is so last season... But what you call minor, I think are pretty major. The insurection, not really his fault. Maybe by proxy but not directly, the call to the Ukrain, to dig up dirt on Biden, I think that was totally on him. Now you post MJG papers of impeachment? She is the biggest POS in congress. yet you support her I suppose. What covid policies do you belive Biden should be impeached on?

Dude... you went to heavy on the troll approach, you are laughable but i will play along.

Fbi said their is little evidence of coordination, hard to have an insurrection without communication.

the call to the ukraine that was investigated and nothing was found out one you need to be more specific, if trump farted in public they tried to impeach him.

So you think abandoning 10k us citizens and 60k allies and their families that are now marked for death to the tender mercies of the taliban, in such a shocking way that even boris fricking johnson said this isnt right and called up everyone but the US to try and organize a response doesnt merit a hard look? How about lying to the american people in july about afganistan, how about lying again this week on TV where he went from I was never briefed about the state of afganistan to I do not recall a briefing in about 15 second. How about his son spitting paint on a canvas and selling it for 500k and then saying no we dont have to tell you who bought it, trust us no conflict of interest here.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: carewemust

President Biden on the other hand, is DIRECTLY responsible for the loss of innocent lives in Afghanistan, via a botched U.S. withdrawal from the country.

President Biden is partially responsible but had no control over the direction of travel ,the final withdrawal was mishandled but due to the deal signed by his predecessor the withdrawal had to take place otherwise the war with the Taliban would have been back on and troops would have had to be sent back to the country.

It was wrong thinking from the previous administration that started this mess not the final withdrawal.

Leaving isnt the problem. How we left is. So Biden owns it 100%

What part of this is so god damn hard to understand? The naughty word censors might get a workout this morning, because I'm pretty annoyed at broken record reminders in mid-conversation because people refuse the listen the first time it's uttered. I'll try to bite my tongue and keep it minimal.

How many more #ing times must it be said, BBFT? You've said it more than once, I've said it more than once, most people on here have said it more than once.
We all keep saying this -- It's NOT THE WITHDRAWAL people have issue with, Afghanistan wasn't a war the public supported and most stand firm that we shouldn't have been there two decades, let alone two years. The problem these dense buffoons have is what THEY keep harping on, is not what everyone's pissed about. Missing the forest for the trees much?

It's the HOW WE DID IT part people are pissed off about. We WANNA get the # out of there, nobody's saying 'Go the # back, we're not done there. Oh yes we are, we've wanted out of that for 20 years, it's not a war We, the Civilians, wanted, folks. We DON'T like how we drunk-stumbled the hell out of there.

What part of this does not seem to #ing translate to the non-Americans?

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Do you even recognize the circles you've been traveling in frantic effort to support what joe just did?

I notice you didn't answer the question , not surprised at the same old same old reply though.

a reply to: gortex

Biden had 8 months to sort it out. You are only convincing yourself with this strawman.

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70
Our mistake right now is believing that what is happening in Afghanistan is not intentional on our part. To me it looks like we and intentionally kicking things off.

Finally someone with the blinkers off.

This is a well calculated chess move, as is the impeachment initiation, wonder how many moves till checkmate?

This is all about setting the stage for the (so far) unknown one to arrive from obscurity, making its deal to bring fake peace to a world about to go to war over Afghanistan and related issues - once brokered said fake peace deal - taking the reigns as spelled out for at least 2 millennia.

It really is amazing to sit and listen to bright people carry water for and rationalize the Biden administrations atrocious performance because

Orange. Man. Bad.

In case anyone missed it, Trump is out of the picture now. Goneski. Over the horizon.

AT ANY TIME Pres Biden and his administration in the last 7 months could've scrutinized the "Trump Afghanistan Plan" and put the brakes on it, tweaked it, or shredded it and started over.

Just like the small library of Trump EOs that Biden nullified a mere days into his tenure.

REALITY CHECK TIME.

The "Never Trump" crowd, in their eagerness to dispatch the Orange Man have installed an administration that has been and is fixated on "build back better" and various other domestic policy schemes, to the detriment of foreign policy and international relations.

The Southern border situation is being politely ignored because the twofold reason of the protagonists in this administration have no f#$ing clue on how to address it, and they abhor and despise the prevalent cultural situation in the US. So it's a two for one: by not acting at the border, they can't possibly screw it up any further, and the dreaded "whiteness" of the United States is being slowly washed away, day by day. Win win for them!

On a side note, it should be interesting watching the NIMBYism begin when, due to the massive exodus of Afghanis refugees from their nation as the Taliban swoop in, our UK members begin their indignation and outrage over foreigners overrunning their island. Securing border against illegal immigration. A defining policy initiative of the Orange Man they loathe. #CognitiveDissonance

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Do you even recognize the circles you've been traveling in frantic effort to support what joe just did?

I notice you didn't answer the question , not surprised at the same old same old reply though.

What question was that?

May have missed something in all your nonsense.



BTW: You haven't been answering ANY questions.

While I am attempting to answer all of them.

Don't be karen.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened


I agree with most of your assessment except for the part you think they are fixated on domestic policy issues.

Not only is Biden’s international policy a disaster, every policy for here at home is a disaster as well.

Biden and his gang of goons are in over their heads by a large margin.

Not really surprising though, when you mobilize your entire political party to focus on stealing an election and nothing else, little things like policy issues suffer.

But hey…no more hurt feelz from mean tweets.