Impeachment Articles Filed Against President Joseph R. Biden on August 20th 2021.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: gortex

I've tried to explain exactly that on several occasions but the usual suspects will entertain no criticism of their idol.

And quite bizarrely they believe that because we point out Trump's role in this we are expressing our support for Biden.

They seem incapable of - or unwilling to? - separating the two.

Is joe the idol you refer to?

Nobody but you is discussing anyone else.

Maybe you are confused?

Like joe confused.

Because not much besides confusion and brainwashing would support your absurd claim.

a reply to: neutronflux

We care about the trapped US citizens.

Who are mostly Afghans who helped the US during their occupation.

But the crisis didn’t happen under Trump.

So Trump started the mass but he is absolved of any responsibility even though his timeline of May would still have seen the final withdrawal just earlier , granted Biden's decision to push the timeline back led to the Taliban making their move before the evacuation but still the result would have largely been the same.

Who’s watch did the current crisis happen on?

Biden's and he holds the blame for it but that doesn't absolve the guy who instigated the mess.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: neutronflux

The Taliban became more aggressive because Biden extended the timeline from May to September

And joe cancelled the air support in April.

Without that Taliban would have been easily destroyed when out in the open.

Before the promised air support was cancelled by joe, the taliban avoided doing so.



Pretty desperate attempt to defend what joe just did.

Maybe it will magically start working if you just repeat a few more times?

Insanity.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: FinallyAwake

Now put trump in this exact same position as Joe is now. Would you be saying the same?

Yes , they both own this mess although Biden's hands were tied by the deal the Trump administration negotiated and signed.

John Bolton has called them Tweedledee and Tweedledum over this , one of the few times I've agreed with Bolton.

👆 bold

So really it's trumps fault. Got it. I'm totes gonna get behind Joe now, thanks 👍🏼

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: carewemust

File this under " Tit-For-Tat "

How so?

Joe is playing games with himself?

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

And joe cancelled the air support in April.

And what do you think would have happened if the US started bombing the Taliban in contravention of the peace deal ?

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: carewemust

File this under " Tit-For-Tat "

How so?

Joe is playing games with himself?

" You " impeached Trump, "We " impeach Biden.

Commonly known as " Tit-For-Tat "

something, esp. something annoying or unpleasant, done to someone because that person has done the same thing to you:

dictionary.cambridge.org...

Too bloody obvious.

originally posted by: FinallyAwake
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: neutronflux
in the end he pulled out earlier than planned because the Taliban were making their move and he didn't want to get caught up in it.

Not paying attention?

Joe did NOT evacuate our equipment or people.

THAT is what everyone is upset about.



Joe gave taliban easy victory with none of the promised air support.

And STILL didn't consider evacuating our equipment or people.




Joe made that decision over 3 months ago.

No planes or ships on the way until press finally started reporting on it a WEEK ago.

THAT is what joe did.

And YOU are defending.

Shameful.

originally posted by: FinallyAwake
👆 bold

So really it's trumps fault. Got it. I'm totes gonna get behind Joe now, thanks 👍🏼

Ugh! Oog! Satan good. Orange man bad. Me eat ice cream.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: neutronflux

The Taliban became more aggressive because they knew Joe is an empty suit.

The Taliban became more aggressive because Biden extended the timeline from May to September , in the end he pulled out earlier than planned because the Taliban were making their move and he didn't want to get caught up in it.

Joe may be an empty suit but the facts are there to see , this failure is owned by American politics not one administration.

With all due respect, Joe Biden was VP for 8 years and a senator for the rest of the 20 years of the Afghani war. He likely has had more intelligence briefings and meetings on Afghanistan than most politicians. I find it difficult to believe in those 20 years there were no exit strategies discussed in Senate or while he was VP, and yet he acts like it was a total shock.

Hell, he might have the most experience in Afghanistan as any American politician. Are we supposed to believe he didn't have loads of intel with his son in-country?

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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: carewemust

File this under " Tit-For-Tat "

How so?

Joe is playing games with himself?

" You " impeached Trump, "We " impeach Biden.

Commonly known as " Tit-For-Tat "

something, esp. something annoying or unpleasant, done to someone because that person has done the same thing to you:

dictionary.cambridge.org...

Too bloody obvious.

Democrats did 2 completely fabricated shampeachments.

With zero evidence.



Joe gave us PLENTY of evidence.

Of ACTUAL dereliction of duty.

And you want to compare these?



Such desperation to defend what joe just did.

When will it stop?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

And joe cancelled the air support in April.

And what do you think would have happened if the US started bombing the Taliban in contravention of the peace deal ?

Bombing was PROMISED in the peace deal.

It is what made taliban adhere to the peace deal.

Once the promised air support was cancelled, Taliban no longer honored the peace deal.

If taliban had broken the deal before joe cancelled the promised air support, the taliban would no longer exist today.

THAT was the promise.

And why taliban honored the deal until our idiot in chief cancelled it in April.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: FinallyAwake
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: neutronflux
in the end he pulled out earlier than planned because the Taliban were making their move and he didn't want to get caught up in it.

Not paying attention?

Joe did NOT evacuate our equipment or people.

THAT is what everyone is upset about.



Joe gave taliban easy victory with none of the promised air support.

And STILL didn't consider evacuating our equipment or people.




Joe made that decision over 3 months ago.

No planes or ships on the way until press finally started reporting on it a WEEK ago.

THAT is what joe did.

And YOU are defending.

Shameful.

No no no! You leave my Joe alone! He's the most successful president ever!!! (screams into sky)

originally posted by: FinallyAwake
No no no! You leave my Joe alone! He's the most successful president ever!!! (screams into sky)

Yeah, that's what most of us hear.

Brainwashing is a powerful drug.

They won't give it up easily.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Bombing was PROMISED in the peace deal.

From July this year.

“The United States has increased air strikes in support of Afghan forces over the last several days and we’re prepared to continue this heightened level of support in the coming weeks if the Taliban continue their attacks,” US Marine General Kenneth McKenzie said during a news conference in the capital Kabul on Sunday.
www.aljazeera.com...

Seems bombing was delivered.

Impeach every one you can for any reason.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: gortex

I've tried to explain exactly that on several occasions but the usual suspects will entertain no criticism of their idol.

And quite bizarrely they believe that because we point out Trump's role in this we are expressing our support for Biden.

They seem incapable of - or unwilling to? - separating the two.

You and Gortex seem to be missing the larger points in all this. Yes, Trump wanted the removal of troops. He even planned for the removal of troops. Then he lost the election. He's no longer president. But his agreement to leave in May was still valid, according to you and Gortex, and Biden.

Now Biden is president. The agreement included a cease fire, which was working. Now Biden had 6 months to plan this withdraw. Trump had already planned it. Trump's plan was to remove civilians, then equipment, then troops. Sounds logical. Keep the troops there to protect the equipment and civilians on their exit.

Now, it's go time. What does he do? Scrap Trump's plans, extend the deadline to September 11, (great photo op) and pull the troops. Oh wait, what about the equipment and civilians! Forgot them.

See, this was avoidable, and could have been so much better, had it been done correctly. That is the issue, that is why Biden owns this, and that is why we aren't so readily eager to accept this is Trump's fault as well. Trump has his own shortcomings in things he did or didn't do, focus on them if you wish to not let go of OMB. Biden made the call, Biden OK'd the plans, and Biden was president of the United States when this happened. Not Trump.

originally posted by: gortex

So Trump started the mass but he is absolved of any responsibility even though his timeline of May would still have seen the final withdrawal just earlier , granted Biden's decision to push the timeline back led to the Taliban making their move before the evacuation but still the result would have largely been the same.

If Trump was still president, and was in charge during this event, then yes, it would be all on him, and he stated he would have done it differently. Hell, he even had a group put in place in case it went to sh!t, and Biden dismantled that. But Trump wasn't president when this took place. Biden was and is.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Bombing was PROMISED in the peace deal.

From July this year.

“The United States has increased air strikes in support of Afghan forces over the last several days and we’re prepared to continue this heightened level of support in the coming weeks if the Taliban continue their attacks,” US Marine General Kenneth McKenzie said during a news conference in the capital Kabul on Sunday.
www.aljazeera.com...

Seems bombing was delivered.

Yes, I saw that at the time.

It was the first indication that joe had realized his screw up.

By then too late.

Taliban had already captured too much equipment and entered too many cities.

Very little actual bombing was possible anymore.

Should have happened in May & June, while taliban was out in the open.

July air strikes appear to only have lasted a few days with little actual ordinance dropped.

Because taliban was no longer out in the open.



And joe STILL didn't start evacuating.

Or even planning for evacuation.

Care to explain?




But thank you for posting such clear evidence that joe knew exactly what he was supposed to have done.

It may be useful in his trial.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Yes, I saw that at the time.

Then please do tell why it is you have been constantly banging on about Biden canceling air support in April and how air support was promised in the peace deal but not delivered