Lab Founder Shows "Vaccine" Spike Protein Damages Vital Organs

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung

Three decades old but never used until now in a global phase 3 study. Dude.

You ever think there may be a reason it has never been approved?

They been working on some heavy hitters like cancer... COVID vaccine was a side project...took them 2 days or so to develop with the process already in place. mRNA isn't even a drug, but a normal cell process, so what is it you are looking for?

Never approved. All in trials. It is normal to make a cell create proteins not guided by the nucleus of a cell. Or insert DNA in nucleus to force protein creation (viral vector)

I'm a Software Engineer. We create interfaces so software can't be used incorrectly. This can have life or death consequences depending on how critical the software is. Are you under the impression scientists understand enough of the human genome that it's OK to mess with it. We don't even know how consciousness works. Damn.

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

It is normal to make a cell create proteins not guided by the nucleus of a cell.

It's not normal for man to fly either.

Ever hear of mitochondrial mRNA? That doesn't come from the nucleus.

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung

I'm a Software Engineer. We create interfaces so software can't be used incorrectly. This can have life or death consequences depending on how critical the software is. Are you under the impression scientists understand enough of the human genome that it's OK to mess with it. We don't even know how consciousness works. Damn.

RNA using a cell to make protein is a normal process within our cells. They make like 10,000 different proteins. They are not messing with genes using mRNA as it has a very simple process to make one protein. The virus does the same making RNA that makes 2 types of proteins to replicate. mRNA makes one protein that pretty much does nothing, but is the leading indicator to the body that an alien host needs to be dealt with and that is why they picked that one protein.

Drugs on the other hand can really mess up your system in totally different ways, so are you suggesting the process for a new drug is OK but the COVID vaccine is not? they even used like 10X the people and double the time for Phase 3 with the vaccine then they would with a typical drug.

Show me where it says the BS you’ve just spouted…..

There is no typical length of time it takes for a drug to be tested and approved. It might take 10 to 15 years or more to complete all 3 phases of clinical trials before the licensing stage. But this time span varies a lot.

If you’ve had the ‘vaccine’ YOU are part of the trial……

Good luck

a reply to: Xtrozero

a reply to: Akaspeedy

There is no typical length of time it takes for a drug to be tested and approved.

Correct.

It might take 10 to 15 years or more to complete all 3 phases of clinical trials before the licensing stage.

Indeed. Without billions in government funding the process can be slow. That was sort of the point of Operation Warp Speed. Stupid name, good idea.

I think a global effort may have also sped things up a bit don't you?

When many nations are all looking to give emergency approval then full approval your going to have a lot more testing and evaluation than a single drug company funding a product I'd assume?



a reply to: Phage

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung

I'm a Software Engineer. We create interfaces so software can't be used incorrectly. This can have life or death consequences depending on how critical the software is. Are you under the impression scientists understand enough of the human genome that it's OK to mess with it. We don't even know how consciousness works. Damn.

RNA using a cell to make protein is a normal process within our cells. They make like 10,000 different proteins. They are not messing with genes using mRNA as it has a very simple process to make one protein. The virus does the same making RNA that makes 2 types of proteins to replicate. mRNA makes one protein that pretty much does nothing, but is the leading indicator to the body that an alien host needs to be dealt with and that is why they picked that one protein.

Drugs on the other hand can really mess up your system in totally different ways, so are you suggesting the process for a new drug is OK but the COVID vaccine is not? they even used like 10X the people and double the time for Phase 3 with the vaccine then they would with a typical drug.

It is a normal process guided by the nucleus of our cells. But you failed to understand my point. We are forcing the production of proteins unknown to the cell. Huge difference. mrna is making the ribosomes in our cells make a protein not directed by the nucleus. Viral vectors are injecting dna into the nucleus to for it to make mrna to make the ribosomes create the foreign protein.

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

We are forcing the production of proteins unknown to the cell.

While the mRNA lasts. Which isn't long. A half life measured in hours. mRNA which cannot replicate?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

But so what? Better the virus invade the cell before antibodies are produced? Better that a virus which can replicate produce that protein on a scale magnitudes greater?

a reply to: Phage

What about the spike proteins dude.

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

You mean the one that the antibodies attack?

What about them?

originally posted by: Akaspeedy
Show me where it says the BS you’ve just spouted…..

There is no typical length of time it takes for a drug to be tested and approved. It might take 10 to 15 years or more to complete all 3 phases of clinical trials before the licensing stage. But this time span varies a lot.

If you’ve had the ‘vaccine’ YOU are part of the trial……

Good luck

I think today its about 5 years for a new drug...

So they been playing with mRNA for like 3 decades...

Its pretty easy info to find...

How Long Does a Phase 1 Clinical Trial Take?
The length of a phase 1 study is typically several months.

How Long Does a Phase 2 Clinical Trial Take?
The length of a phase 2 study can span several months to 2 years. This phase involves up to several hundred people, with researchers looking for the effectiveness and safety of the drug over a relatively short period of time.

How Long Does a Phase 3 Clinical Trial Take?
The length of study for phase 3 clinical trials is usually 1 to 4 years. This phase involves 300 to 3,000 patients, with tests designed to determine the drug's longer-term effects.

How Long Does a Phase 4 Clinical Trial Take?
The length of study for phase 4 clinical trials can be the same as that for a phase 3 clinical trial or even longer.

One of the problem is getting people to do the trials is if it is a serious drug for a serious condition it could take a long time to get 1000s of people. Something like a flu vaccine not long at all. They also ran Phase 2 and 3 at the same time using different groups but did both together time wise. With Phase 3 they had 30,000+ people in it, and that is like over 10x the normal.

a reply to: Phage

The spike proteins that can cross the blood brain barrier, bind to cells in the lungs, kidneys, and testes maybe.

a reply to: Phage

Thank you for volunteering for the phase 3 trial. You will help use determine if it's safe or not.

Come on man, your all about quoting the science…..there a reason they don’t put 1 to 15 years……cuz it takes a minimum at least 10 years…….so what are you now saying you don’t follow the science you always seem to pick out and quote…….

I mean to pick out that quote where it says no typical length of time, but there’s the 10 to 15 year time frame on an official site…….so that timeframe, on an official website, means it could take a year to develop and test to phase 3 lmao

Good one…love your humour

a reply to: Phage

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

The spike proteins that can cross the blood brain barrier, bind to cells in the lungs, kidneys, and testes maybe.

Is this pure speculation on your part, or is there evidence that this is the case?

Are the spike proteins produced by the virus different somehow? Is this not a problem if one is infected?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

The spike proteins that can cross the blood brain barrier, bind to cells in the lungs, kidneys, and testes maybe.

Is this pure speculation on your part, or is there evidence that this is the case?

Are the spike proteins produced by the virus different somehow? Is this not a problem if one is infected?

Seriously have you not investigated this stuff. Studies, Sars, blood brain barrier, etc.?

a reply to: Zitterbewegung

I've looked into it.

So there is no danger of this occurring with the virus but with the vaccine it is a high risk factor. Is that what your research tells you?

originally posted by: Zitterbewegung

It is a normal process guided by the nucleus of our cells. But you failed to understand my point. We are forcing the production of proteins unknown to the cell. Huge difference. mrna is making the ribosomes in our cells make a protein not directed by the nucleus. Viral vectors are injecting dna into the nucleus to for it to make mrna to make the ribosomes create the foreign protein.

There is no DNA in the vaccine... the actual RNA is there. This doesn't mean you can't have mDNA based vaccines, but the COVID vaccine is only RNA.

Every virus does the same thing.... So not sure your point. The funny part is everyone is so focused on the protein when the actual virus reproducing is the big threat. People drowning on the fluids in their lungs do to the virus killing off cells in its reproduction cycle is the threat not the RNA or protein.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zitterbewegung

The spike proteins that can cross the blood brain barrier, bind to cells in the lungs, kidneys, and testes maybe.

Is this pure speculation on your part, or is there evidence that this is the case?

Are the spike proteins produced by the virus different somehow? Is this not a problem if one is infected?

www.nature.com...

conclusion
"The results from this study show that I-S1 from two different commercial sources readily crosses the mouse BBB, at least when injected intravenously. I-S1 was taken up by all 11 brain regions examined. Such widespread entry into brain of I-S1 could explain the diverse effects of S1 and/or SARS-CoV-2 such as encephalitis, respiratory difficulties and anosmia"

Of course we are not mice but....

a reply to: Xtrozero

There is DNA entering nucleus with Viral Vector Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Jesus do you even read #.