At what point will the Vaccinated change their minds

a reply to: HawkEyi

These mRNA carry more side effects and more dangerous ones like BCs, Heart inflammations.

According to whom?

Passive surveillance significantly underestimates the true incidence of myocarditis/pericarditis after smallpox immunization. Evidence of subclinical transient cardiac muscle injury post-vaccinia immunization is a finding that requires further study to include long-term outcomes surveillance. Active safety surveillance is needed to identify adverse events that are not well understood or previously recognized.

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originally posted by: JAGStorm
Will it be after the 5th booster? Will it be after monthly

I don't care if you get the vaccine or not. That literally is your body and your choice. I got it after doing enough study on how mitochondria and mRNA work and determined that it's safe enough for me. Again, my informed choice, you make your own. There are others I won't get however, such as the Flu vaccine which they try to push every year, or depending on your specific biology the MMR which they try to push on children. My children do have the rest of their "required" vaccines as they cause no harm.

a reply to: JAGStorm

My flight doc a practicing neurosurgeon said he will not get the booster shot, and would not recommend anyone get it if you had any sort of reaction to the initial shot.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I'm fully vaccinated but I am not getting the booster until the FDA fully approves the Covid vaccines. I think it's premature to start asking people to take a booster without full approval. Don't get me wrong, I believe the vaccine is safe, but this is more of a protocol issue with me.

I had no reaction save a sore arm for a couple of days with dose 1.
With dose 2, I had chills, fever and a massive headache that kept me up most of the night. I was told this means I have a robust immune system that was doing it's job. My wife, however, had no reaction with either dose.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Some people so devastated physically by the vaccine that they are forced to realize the cure being pushed on them when they never even got sick was way worse than the disease itself. Then they will be like I am not putting my body through this again because it isn't worth it.
You would have to be brain dead to take a third booster shot if you ended up in the hospital with a serious deadly reaction from the second shot...... but I am afraid some people will still do it for perceived freedom.
Those poor souls risking death for perceived freedom, but really they are giving up their freedoms and don't even realize it.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Something really significant must happen before the MSM will report on the possible lethal side effects of the various vaccines....or one specific. Until then the government will promote the need to get your vaccination and booster shots..

Unfortunately and most probably can these big pharma companies not be sued,,..there must be some get out of jail free card in the fine print.

a reply to: Phage

The RNA is viral material, which replicates. It is coated in lipid which the body can't immediately break down.

a reply to: InachMarbank

Huh? Where do you get your info from?

RNA is a single stand of DNA. The vaccine uses a TINY snippet of RNA as a work packet to instruct the cell to make the spike protein, which then leaves the cell where the immune system learns about it and attacks it. The first dose wakes up your immune system to identify the foreign protein and start building up anti-bodies to it. The second dose engages the protein to kill it, which is why the 2nd dose often comes with more of a reaction.

The lipid nanoparticles are used to help get the RNA into the cell, where it stays in the cytoplasm, along with a couple hundred thousand more pieces of RNA. However, the vaccine RNA only survives about 5 to 6 days.

a reply to: JAGStorm

On reddit, Im seeing hundreds of fully vaccinated people going against a booster, and people supporting boosters calling fully vaccinated people "anti-vaxxers", lol. So even the fully vaccinated are getting sh!tted on now for being tired of moving goal posts.

originally posted by: donscorpio
a reply to: JAGStorm

On reddit, Im seeing hundreds of fully vaccinated people going against a booster, and people supporting boosters calling fully vaccinated people "anti-vaxxers", lol. So even the fully vaccinated are getting sh!tted on now for being tired of moving goal posts.

I have friends on the same side of the political spectrum now fighting on FB regarding the vaccine and masks.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Can I please have some of what you are smoking? Can you please provide some evidence-based references as well? I'd love to see the science behind of this. Or is that all covered up, too? Please don't keep it above top secret from us. We don't need your opinions and proselytisation, we want actual data and facts. Thanks.

a reply to: Freenrgy2

It is RNA which makes the viral spike protein. Thus it is viral RNA. You and Phage appear to be engaging in a semantic debate...

The main point is it replicates, is contagious, makes people sick, clots blood, and has the potential to damage vital organs.

You also appear a bit too optimistic to think the system completely flushes these harmful agents out in 5 to 6 days. I feel like the spike protein has lingered in my system much longer than that.

And I caught it second hand from a vaccinated person I am close to.

a reply to: InachMarbank

You are mistaken.

Viral RNA is a virus which has RNA as it's genetic material.

This vaccine is NOT a virus. It is a snippet of the spike protein that allows the Covid virus to invade cells.

The main point you make is that the RNA replicates. It does not. The mRNA introduces the RNA into your muscles cells at and around the injection site. It then instructs the cells to make the spike protein.

I won't argue that there have been some cases where people have a severe reaction to the vaccine, but that happens with well-known vaccines as well, such as the flu.

You can feel however you wish. I have no control over that. And I never said your system completely flushes it out in 5 to 6 days. I stated that the RNA strand only survives about 5 to 6 days inside the cell. mRNA is very fragile which is one of the reasons it must be kept at very low temperatures, so that it doesn't degrade.

How long mRNA lasts in the body

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures.
How long spike proteins last in the body

The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks, like other proteins made by the body. The immune system quickly identifies, attacks and destroys the spike proteins because it recognizes them as not part of you. This "learning the enemy" process is how the immune system figures out how to defeat the real coronavirus. It remembers what it saw and when you are exposed to coronavirus in the future it can rapidly mount an effective immune response.

a reply to: Freenrgy2

The MRNA vaccines are RNA. They are not a protein subunit vaccine as you seem to say "This vaccine is NOT a virus. It is a snippet of the spike protein that allows the Covid virus to invade cells."

Since I caught illnesses, both times, immediately following my wife's vaccination, I feel like I know, the MRNA vaccines are contagious.

How did it leave her body and enter mine, if it didn't replicate?

a reply to: InachMarbank

I never said they weren't. Did you read what I wrote?

The vaccine is a RNA strand inserted into the cytoplasm of the cell with instructions for the cell to build the spike protein.

Again, feel however you wish.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: ObviousTruth

It's not a vaccine, in the first place. It is experimental technology, and this is the first time it's been used on humans.

In the second place, as the accumulating data shows, it doesn't protect anybody from anything. You should learn to discern between pharma advertising BS and facts.

Britain would beg to differ. Over 80% of the adult population is double jabbed, and yet nearly 70% of the people currently experiencing serious symptoms are unjabbed.

This means that fewer than 20% of the population make up 70% of serious cases. Thus the vax is highly effective.

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: Freenrgy2

The MRNA vaccines are RNA. They are not a protein subunit vaccine as you seem to say "This vaccine is NOT a virus. It is a snippet of the spike protein that allows the Covid virus to invade cells."

Since I caught illnesses, both times, immediately following my wife's vaccination, I feel like I know, the MRNA vaccines are contagious.

How did it leave her body and enter mine, if it didn't replicate?

Have you considered that she simply brought home a cold virus or something ordinary, and that because you're not used to mixing with people so much you caught it and got sick?

We know that the vax can't replicate because mRNA lacks the components required to do that. It's like having a gun with no firing pin. You can yank that trigger all you like, but their ain't gonna be no bang.

a reply to: donscorpio

My experience is that what you see on reddit largely depends on where you go.

I'm seeing ... hundreds of fully vaxxed people arguing that two characters on a mobile game are really "brothers in arms" rather than biological brothers, and that it is thus OK for you to imagine them having sex.

Quite why I'm seeing this on a forum that's supposed to be about boat building I don't know.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that what you see on reddit often has more to do with who you are than what the majority of people on Reddit are really saying.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Immediately after her 2nd shot, that's when i appeared to suffer blood clots. Sharp pains in legs and later around heart, chest, back.

Immediately after her 1st shot, I got sore throat, cold spells, fever, passing liquids way faster than normal, lingering congestion, cough, loss of smell for 1 day.

Before that, I hadn't been sick since fall 2019, when I worked 40 hours per week in a stuffy crowded office of a crappy old building in a gentrified neighborhood of Oakland. You could smell the stale air as soon as you entered that $hit hole. I got the same ankle pain and a bloody nose.

As further supporting evidence, my son suffered a bloody nose after my wife's second shot. He hasn't been vaccinated.

I'm quite certain the vaccine is the connection to my 2 illnesses suffered this year, even though I haven't been vaccinated.

How do you know this RNA can't replicate? I read we invented RNA that could self replicate around 2010.

a reply to: InachMarbank

The vaccine given to someone else can't make you sick. It doesn't contain a live virus and the mRNA in this vaccine does not replicate.

Yeah, I'm sorry you had symptoms like that, but your assumptions are completely in left field. You have no testing, nothing to back up anything you say...just anecdotal evidence which you THINK corroborates your hypothesis.

Good luck man.....and keep researching actual facts.