At what point will the Vaccinated change their minds

originally posted by: darkbake
The vaccine is not 100% effective. But I know you guys here aren't very good at math... for you, it is 100% or nothing, so you end up with 0% protection.

Are you somehow immunocompromised? There's this thing called your immune system. It gives you protection. Damn good protection. Far from your hyperbolic 0%.

I heard an expert being interviewed (don't have the link, so take it as you wish) and they said, "we knew going into this that the vaccine would only work for a little while and boosters would be needed", except I don't ever remember hearing that. I hear that the vaccines were 94% effective, and if you don't get it, you will die.(slight hyperbole)

And now we have random posters saying things like "Natural immunity doesn't last", but when pressed, don't provide any facts to back that up. (again, no link, believe me or don't)

Disinformation is heavy and it's on both sides. The sooner everyone realizes this, hopefully, the sooner we can get real answers and real truth. Till then, enjoy the propaganda, that's all you are getting.

originally posted by: Grenade


Who knows the long term effects of the vaccines, personally i just don't see the benefit nor does the response match the severity of the threat.

I think we have passed 3 billion vacced and will be most likely 5+ billion in the near future, so I think we have hit some pretty significant numbers to monitor for long term effects if any.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

I will let you read it to avoid any confusion:

Yes, some COVID vaccines use genetic engineering. Get over it. - Alliance for Science

We agree, I'm asking what is your point? I'm just saying it isn't gene therapy

a reply to: Xtrozero

People pay extra for food that is organic......to prevent themselves from eating gmo.

Now they are having it injected.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

People pay extra for food that is organic......to prevent themselves from eating gmo.

Now they are having it injected.

Well don't get it then, and people might be shocked as to everything in their lives that is basically GMO... GMO is a goofball debate anyways, but people will be people and do what they want. I don't trust organic much as it isn't regulated and you can get sick from the it in terms of bacteria.

The jabbed should be very concern with the data that Israel is been releasing that big pharma refuse to do themselves.

The jabs are useless and the control group is Israel themselves.

Their rate of people now getting covid after jabbing more than half the population are jabbed people.

You can not make a working jab for the common cold, is not going to happen, nope, nada, never If you want to mess the human population the best way to do it is mixing a bad virus with the common cold.

It will become the gifts that never ends.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Will it be after the 5th booster? Will it be after monthly boosters? Weekly boosters? At home pills.. Oh Big Pharma is salivating at the thought of at home pills!
Will it be when they realize mostly the vaccinated are getting sick?
Will it be when they keep hearing horror stories of healthy people getting all kinds of weird ailments or worse with zero logical explanation?

I just found out from a friend, a local father, a healthy father dropped dead early 40’s, vaccinated. Wife is a nurse, they are awaiting
An autopsy for the reason. I think deep deep down, we all know, she knows…. At what point do we admit it? Have you noticed that these stories are becoming more common?

I’ve noticed that the very loud proponents of the vaccines are getting a lot more quiet. What changed? Do they feel silly that everything they were “promised” was a lie. They still have to wear masks, they still have to social distance, but biggest of all they still can get COVID!! AND, they can still DIE! Ive noticed news stories trickling out one by one of “rare” breakthrough infection deaths… Rare my Heinie!


I know there are people that will never admit they were wrong or fooled, but I think some people are turning the tide…

People are just ignorant, that's the problem. It's always "what about me". The problem we are seeing, one that I have spoken to on here several times, is we have limited # of beds to care for our patients as is. Now you throw on Covid patients, who 99% of them are unvaccinated (that's a fact in our 13 hospitals), we are left without any beds for anyone else that truly needs it. Example is a cancer patient who would normally need care in hospital is getting turned away because there are no beds.

Not to mention the shortage in hospital staff, which lowers our bed numbers even more. I also know a perfectly normal woman in her 30's get Covid, have severe depression because of Covid, considered suicide because of Covid, puking 5-15x a day because of Covid for 4 months straight, with doctors having no answer for her. Covid partially paralyzed her intestines and she now has to deal with that for the rest of her life.

But go on, continue to spout about # you have no idea what people are living with on a day to day basis. Because at the end of the day, all you care about is "me".

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Will it be after the 5th booster? Will it be after monthly boosters? Weekly boosters? At home pills.. Oh Big Pharma is salivating at the thought of at home pills!
Will it be when they realize mostly the vaccinated are getting sick?
Will it be when they keep hearing horror stories of healthy people getting all kinds of weird ailments or worse with zero logical explanation?

I just found out from a friend, a local father, a healthy father dropped dead early 40’s, vaccinated. Wife is a nurse, they are awaiting
An autopsy for the reason. I think deep deep down, we all know, she knows…. At what point do we admit it? Have you noticed that these stories are becoming more common?

I’ve noticed that the very loud proponents of the vaccines are getting a lot more quiet. What changed? Do they feel silly that everything they were “promised” was a lie. They still have to wear masks, they still have to social distance, but biggest of all they still can get COVID!! AND, they can still DIE! Ive noticed news stories trickling out one by one of “rare” breakthrough infection deaths… Rare my Heinie!


I know there are people that will never admit they were wrong or fooled, but I think some people are turning the tide…

People are just ignorant, that's the problem. It's always "what about me".

And you are pulling the exact same stunt, albeit trying to emotionally manipulate YOUR little Center Of The Universe First #fit into being a little more palatable.

Half our problem in this country for ANY hospitals not having enough to go around is people treating them like a clinic. Either change how this system works, or put a stop to that crap. THAT will free up significantly more resources than you think, 20-something Judy does not need to go to the ER because she drank too much last night and has a migraine today. Same thing for people with sniffles, it's not the Kleenex isle, people. If you are maimed, or otherwise non-ambulatory and unable to provide self-care, THAT is what hospitals are for.

Start with the stupid #s who abuse the ER like a wet nurse, will ya? Balls, someone has to have some somewhere.

a reply to: Nyiah

He keep pushing the unvaxed mantra that now Israel just slashed, their last data report, shows that the jabs are not working and now Israel the most vaccinated nation are now filling hospitals with vaxe sick again.

But is ok, is a reason why the big pharma and fascist Saucy is not saying a darn thing.

The propaganda and push for the jabs have to keep going even if they are useless.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Will it be after the 5th booster? Will it be after monthly boosters? Weekly boosters? At home pills.. Oh Big Pharma is salivating at the thought of at home pills!
Will it be when they realize mostly the vaccinated are getting sick?
Will it be when they keep hearing horror stories of healthy people getting all kinds of weird ailments or worse with zero logical explanation?

I just found out from a friend, a local father, a healthy father dropped dead early 40’s, vaccinated. Wife is a nurse, they are awaiting
An autopsy for the reason. I think deep deep down, we all know, she knows…. At what point do we admit it? Have you noticed that these stories are becoming more common?

I’ve noticed that the very loud proponents of the vaccines are getting a lot more quiet. What changed? Do they feel silly that everything they were “promised” was a lie. They still have to wear masks, they still have to social distance, but biggest of all they still can get COVID!! AND, they can still DIE! Ive noticed news stories trickling out one by one of “rare” breakthrough infection deaths… Rare my Heinie!


I know there are people that will never admit they were wrong or fooled, but I think some people are turning the tide…

People are just ignorant, that's the problem. It's always "what about me".

And you are pulling the exact same stunt, albeit trying to emotionally manipulate YOUR little Center Of The Universe First #fit more palatable.

Half our problem in this country for ANY hospitals not having enough to go around is people treating them like a clinic. Either change how this system works, or put a stop to that crap. THAT will free up significantly more resources than you think, 20-something Judy does not need to go to the ER because she drank too much last night and has a migraine today. Same thing for people with sniffles, it's not the Kleenex isle, people. If you are not maimed, or otherwise non-ambulatory and unable to provide self-care, THAT is what hospitals are for.

Start with the stupid #s who abuse the ER like a wet nurse, will ya? Balls, someone has to have some somewhere.

My center of the universe, really that's what your take is? Where have I once talked down to anyone because they are not vaccinated? I don't care if you wear a mask, I don't care if you get vaccinated. I am a firm believer in that it is your choice. But I will tell you straight facts about the experiences in our healthcare we are experiencing (I can't speak to other regions/states).

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Nyiah

He keep pushing the unvaxed mantra that now Israel just slashed, their last data report, shows that the jabs are not working and now Israel the most vaccinated nation are now filling hospitals with vaxe sick again.

But is ok, is a reason why the big pharma and fascist Saucy is not saying a darn thing.

The propaganda and push for the jabs have to keep going even if they are useless.

I know, lol, they sure love avoiding Israel's failure rate, don't they?

It's the one thing that is un-bull#able hard numbers at the moment, and they don't know how to argue it because it flies in the face of their drivel. It's like dividing by Zero or something I guess, lmao.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Nyiah

He keep pushing the unvaxed mantra that now Israel just slashed, their last data report, shows that the jabs are not working and now Israel the most vaccinated nation are now filling hospitals with vaxe sick again.

But is ok, is a reason why the big pharma and fascist Saucy is not saying a darn thing.

The propaganda and push for the jabs have to keep going even if they are useless.

I ain't pushing no propaganda but go ahead and keep selling your BS.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Nyiah

He keep pushing the unvaxed mantra that now Israel just slashed, their last data report, shows that the jabs are not working and now Israel the most vaccinated nation are now filling hospitals with vaxe sick again.

But is ok, is a reason why the big pharma and fascist Saucy is not saying a darn thing.

The propaganda and push for the jabs have to keep going even if they are useless.

I know, lol, they sure love avoiding Israel's failure rate, don't they?

It's the one thing that is un-bull#able hard numbers at the moment, and they don't know how to argue it because it flies in the face of their drivel. It's like dividing by Zero or something I guess, lmao.

I can't argue Israel's issues because I don't know anything about it to speak to. As I mentioned, I can only speak to where I am located at and my regions.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Will it be after the 5th booster? Will it be after monthly boosters? Weekly boosters? At home pills.. Oh Big Pharma is salivating at the thought of at home pills!
Will it be when they realize mostly the vaccinated are getting sick?
Will it be when they keep hearing horror stories of healthy people getting all kinds of weird ailments or worse with zero logical explanation?

I just found out from a friend, a local father, a healthy father dropped dead early 40’s, vaccinated. Wife is a nurse, they are awaiting
An autopsy for the reason. I think deep deep down, we all know, she knows…. At what point do we admit it? Have you noticed that these stories are becoming more common?

I’ve noticed that the very loud proponents of the vaccines are getting a lot more quiet. What changed? Do they feel silly that everything they were “promised” was a lie. They still have to wear masks, they still have to social distance, but biggest of all they still can get COVID!! AND, they can still DIE! Ive noticed news stories trickling out one by one of “rare” breakthrough infection deaths… Rare my Heinie!


I know there are people that will never admit they were wrong or fooled, but I think some people are turning the tide…

People are just ignorant, that's the problem. It's always "what about me".

And you are pulling the exact same stunt, albeit trying to emotionally manipulate YOUR little Center Of The Universe First #fit more palatable.

Half our problem in this country for ANY hospitals not having enough to go around is people treating them like a clinic. Either change how this system works, or put a stop to that crap. THAT will free up significantly more resources than you think, 20-something Judy does not need to go to the ER because she drank too much last night and has a migraine today. Same thing for people with sniffles, it's not the Kleenex isle, people. If you are not maimed, or otherwise non-ambulatory and unable to provide self-care, THAT is what hospitals are for.

Start with the stupid #s who abuse the ER like a wet nurse, will ya? Balls, someone has to have some somewhere.

My center of the universe, really that's what your take is? Where have I once talked down to anyone because they are not vaccinated? I don't care if you wear a mask, I don't care if you get vaccinated. I am a firm believer in that it is your choice. But I will tell you straight facts about the experiences in our healthcare we are experiencing (I can't speak to other regions/states).

No, you don't get to backtrack no matter how passive/aggressive the swipe. If you're going the ignorance & "What About Me" denigration & blame route as a way to back your angle, then you're looking down on people while talking out the other side of your mouth. That wording is deliberately divisive in this debate over freedom of vax choice, and you damn well know that.

a reply to: Nyiah

DeSantis try to bring up the fact that they needed new treatments amid the elderly in nursing homes getting sick again when they were double jabbed, Florida had a great success with the elderly but now they are getting sick.

But the media do not want to hear that, big pharma do not want to hear that and Fascist saucy to do want to hear that and do not want anybody else to hear that.

Hawkeyenation do not want to hear that either., because is all BS, right?

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: JAGStorm
Will it be after the 5th booster? Will it be after monthly boosters? Weekly boosters? At home pills.. Oh Big Pharma is salivating at the thought of at home pills!
Will it be when they realize mostly the vaccinated are getting sick?
Will it be when they keep hearing horror stories of healthy people getting all kinds of weird ailments or worse with zero logical explanation?

I just found out from a friend, a local father, a healthy father dropped dead early 40’s, vaccinated. Wife is a nurse, they are awaiting
An autopsy for the reason. I think deep deep down, we all know, she knows…. At what point do we admit it? Have you noticed that these stories are becoming more common?

I’ve noticed that the very loud proponents of the vaccines are getting a lot more quiet. What changed? Do they feel silly that everything they were “promised” was a lie. They still have to wear masks, they still have to social distance, but biggest of all they still can get COVID!! AND, they can still DIE! Ive noticed news stories trickling out one by one of “rare” breakthrough infection deaths… Rare my Heinie!


I know there are people that will never admit they were wrong or fooled, but I think some people are turning the tide…

People are just ignorant, that's the problem. It's always "what about me".

And you are pulling the exact same stunt, albeit trying to emotionally manipulate YOUR little Center Of The Universe First #fit more palatable.

Half our problem in this country for ANY hospitals not having enough to go around is people treating them like a clinic. Either change how this system works, or put a stop to that crap. THAT will free up significantly more resources than you think, 20-something Judy does not need to go to the ER because she drank too much last night and has a migraine today. Same thing for people with sniffles, it's not the Kleenex isle, people. If you are not maimed, or otherwise non-ambulatory and unable to provide self-care, THAT is what hospitals are for.

Start with the stupid #s who abuse the ER like a wet nurse, will ya? Balls, someone has to have some somewhere.

My center of the universe, really that's what your take is? Where have I once talked down to anyone because they are not vaccinated? I don't care if you wear a mask, I don't care if you get vaccinated. I am a firm believer in that it is your choice. But I will tell you straight facts about the experiences in our healthcare we are experiencing (I can't speak to other regions/states).

No, you don't get to backtrack no matter how passive/aggressive the swipe. If you're going the ignorance & "What About Me" denigration & blame route as a way to back your angle, then you're looking down on people while talking out the other side of your mouth. That wording is deliberately divisive in this debate over freedom of vax choice, and you damn well know that.

I am not backtracking #...your ears just choose to hear it as you think it should. There is a big disconnect, and it's generally people who have no clue about what is going on in an actual hospital.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Nyiah

DeSantis try to bring up the fact that they needed new treatments amid the elderly in nursing homes getting sick again when they were double jabbed, Florida had a great success with the elderly but now they are getting sick.

But the media do not want to hear that, big pharma do not want to hear that and Fascist saucy to do want to hear that and do not want anybody else to hear that.

Hawkeyenation do not want to hear that either., because is all BS, right?

This does not affect me in any way...I'm not sure what I have to do with that. But carry on if it makes you feel good.

originally posted by: kwakakev
What I understand so about what makes the difference between a usual body protein and a prion is the density of the molecule in the way the chemical structure is folded and packed. A prion has a more dense chemical structure. As the prion moves around the body and bumps and bounces into things, especially in the brain, it can cause the more loosely structured proteins to collapse into a higher density molecular form. As this alters the original protein structure, it stops doing what it was designed to do.

I don't know all the technical details of just how exactly dense the spike proteins produced by the vax is and how this compares to the protein density of the brain, but if prion disease is a thing then this is kinda how it works.

From I understand and most of it came from a episode of nova that aired right after the first outbreak of madcow, is that as you said the prions are misfolded, but that it is the misfolding that causes it to no longer act like a normal protein. Then as other proteins attempt to attach to the malformed protein they are warped into the same misfolded shape. Then that cluster grows and if it is in a brain, it creates a pocket where electrical signals can not pass.

I am not even saying that the spike protein will act as a prion, but it is a protein, one I believe was made in a lab and may not function or be utilized in the human body, like a regular protein.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: themessengernevermatters

You are right, but this protein they are making them produce, was hacked together with dna inserts in a lab. It isn't really natural anymore. As they say this covid is "novel" It's really novel from containing a lab engineered spike protein.

Well it is one Virus protein that is inert. The body has like 10,000 proteins that cells make through RNA, so I'm not sure what is the huge risk as far as gene manipulation when the protein is there for about 3 days and really does nothing but trigger the bodies immune system. The virus produces a good number of proteins to replicate and is doing it over weeks flooding the body, with cells in the lungs being destroyed in the process to the point people drown in the worst cases.

On some good/bad scale I would think the virus is bad and the vaccine will help prevent serious reactions.

There are many bad/malformed proteins in nature. If one wanted, I am sure they could hijack the cells with MRNA to produce prions. If they wanted. Just because cells normally produce proteins, doesn't mean that a cell producing these proteins, may not cause damage.

Well with mDNA it is actually gene therapy as in possible cure for cancer, so I'm not suggesting mXXX can't be something else, good or bad, but this vaccine is about as minimal as it can get with the duration and limited number that is not continuous production past the first day when the mRNA is destroyed unlike what the virus actually does.

well, we will see. It may just be one protein among 10,000, but if it is man made or altered it would be an alien protein amongst the 10,000. Not being found in nature.

I will take your word for it, but I wonder if they really do go away. Now the MRNA does get used up and go away, but the proteins created are "displayed" on the surface of the cell. I am not a biologist, so I could be wrong, but it sounds like it is making the cells grow the spike protein on it's surface. So are you saying it just breaks it down later, or once grown it may just stay grown on the cell, until the cell dies?