Emergency Services respond to a 'Significant and Serious Incident in Plymouth UK

a reply to: nonspecific

Broadsword calling Danny Boy, over?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

"Where Eagles Dare"

Class Eastwood Movie.

a reply to: andy06shake

Stay on mission. Am going in.....

An update on why his gun was returned, not that I agree it should have:

BBC News - Gun returned to Plymouth attacker after rehabilitation scheme
www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yet again, far too much emphasis on rehabilitation.

This bully assaulted a 16 year old lad and all he had to do was attend some course that told him that if he promised not to be naughty again he could have his guns back.

Pathetic.

But the tragic thing is five innocent people are now dead because of it.

a reply to: Freeborn

I could tell you stories about utter scum getting off Scot free time and time again.

I would say it's a joke but it's just not funny.

its become the 'new norm'

the uk is a good example......crims getting lenient to no sentences at all lately.......

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: Akaspeedy

Yes. It started when Crims got an automatic reduction in their sentence for pleading guilty.
Even if they were bleeding obviously guilty as Hell.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Akaspeedy

Yes. It started when Crims got an automatic reduction in their sentence for pleading guilty.
Even if they were bleeding obviously guilty as Hell.

Isn't it some crazy automatic reduction of 1/4 to 1/3rd the usual sentence for not taking events to court? Have a vague memory a plea of 'no contest' affords the right to a fair trial but automatic leniency in sentencing but may well be completely wrong in that.

From personal experience the local police force were hopeless in initial inquiries into a close relative having a stalker and issuing her death threats. They were too stupid to read the dates of love letters the two sent and falsely accused her of stalking him. and threatened her with prosecution for wasting police time. She was understanddably pretty traumatised by the experience.

Two local PCSO's who were aware of the situation stood up for her; reported the officers involved and had them replaced with female family liason officers who did a thorough and very respectful investigation and had him prosecuted with restraining orders in place.

From then on police cars and vans would always provide a safe escort or offer her a lift home if they ever saw her walking around at night in a respectful, none patronising way.. There's sadly a few bad eggs in the force but enough good ones that don't shy away from remedying the mistakes of the bad ones.

a reply to: bastion

"Reductions in sentence for a guilty plea - House of Commons Library" commonslibrary.parliament.uk...

a reply to: bastion

I could give you some examples. - I now prosecute as have had a career change. So I can't for obvious reasons..

PM me and I will explain.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I can well imagine mate.....and then there are those who get banged up for relatively minor crimes that don't harm anyone.

I'm a firm believer in punishment fitting the crime; having to go to anger management classes because you've assaulted a 16 year old kid for no reason whatsoever is not proportionate to the crime.

As you know I'm no lawyer etc but as far I can tell police officers failed to apply the required procedures - under instruction from who? - in order to follow rehabilitation directives.

Five innocent people died because of this.

Will those responsible be held to account or will the inquiry be a whitewash and look to make a scapegoat of some lowly official who was just doing what they were told to?
The person(s) responsible for prioritising rehabilitation over punishment are responsible.

I could talk at length about all the different aspects of the UK criminal justice system and their respective pro's and con's - as I'm sure you could if it wasn't too much like work - but a) What would be the point? and b) It could derail the thread.