Experts warned for months: Vaccines could cause more dangerous COVID variants

a reply to: Halfswede

a reply to: anonentity

It does the same to 'natural' immunity from a previous covid infection. So what exactly is your point?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: nonspecific
Not mutate differently but vax causes the hotter strains to live because the host would have died.
If the host is staying alive it can carry on carrying around the hot virus.

Did you read about Marek disease.....and the vaccine?
Could some vaccines make diseases more deadly? | Science | AAAS
www.sciencemag.org...

As Read first argued in a Nature paper 14 years ago, by keeping their hosts alive, such "imperfect" or "leaky" vaccines could give deadlier pathogens an edge, allowing them to spread when they would normally burn out quickly.

Over the past few decades, Marek's disease has become much more virulent—which some researchers believe is the result of vaccination.

We could be seeing ADE with the delta variant.

a reply to: chr0naut

The covid vaccine has a history of paradoxical immune enhancement. Meaning, vaccinated people may develop the disease, get sicker and die. They saw this in the animals they tested. Animals developed antibodies, but also developed immunity enhancement, which is not as good as it sounds. If you look at the studies from the 50's and on, this was a well known conundrum with these Covid vaccine study responses. In fact, many doctors have come out about this, only to be silenced.

a reply to: chr0naut

No, that was the india strain.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

No, that was the india strain.

I don't think the official naming conventions use country names.

That would be too inflammatory and probably wrong in the long term (like the Spanish flu, which actually was first observed in Kansas, in the USA, in March 1918).

However, here's a list of some of the notable varaint strains:

Variants of SARS-CoV-2 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a reply to: chr0naut
I'm not an expert but I think it's because one of bats primary food sources are mosquitos. Mosquitoes carry a wide variety of blood from many different animal species, all of which contain viruses, so bats are extremely exposed to viruses. Some bat species have evolved to become immune to basically every virus there is. The bat's immune system doesn't fight the viruses either. That's the reason bats are used so often in research.

a reply to: Reincarnation
Research from the 50s on the Covid19 vaccine? .....

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So you think everyone who gets delta should die rather than be saved by the vaccine?

Hospitalisation rates and deaths are dramatically lower in people who have been partially and fully vaccinated. The data and statistics are available in peer reviewed literature.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Covid vaccine attempts have been around for decades. Covid has been around for centuries

The attempted vaccines for COVID have always failed in animal testing and were always scrapped. Why? Because they caused pathogenic priming. Meaning, vaccinated animals got the worst end of the stick.

a reply to: MrNewWorldOrder

Absolutely wrong. I will say that hospitalization rates for covid positive patient with mild symptoms are at an all time high. Winder why? To support a narrative? Before you blow up in disbelief. I work in the busiest hospital in Los Angeles. And My sister is a chair RN at the busiest hospital in Orlando. Facts don't care about your misled point of views.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
"The data is consistent with a study released last week by the CDC - Vaccinated people may transmit the Delta variant now responsible for 80% of COVID cases in the U.S, just as easily as the unvaccinated." (childrenshealthdefense.org)

“So the more Delta is infectious, the more reason for concern,” Kondrashov said. “By having a situation where you vaccinate everybody, a vaccine-resistant mutant actually gains a selective advantage.”

Experts warned for months vaccines could cause more dangerous COVID variants.

Just check out the website you referenced for your statistics. It is very dodgy my friend.

a reply to: Reincarnation

This is not the coronavirus that's been around for decades, and this is not a vaccine that was tested decades ago. So far all the data proves vaccinated individuals are less at risk than unvaccinated ones.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Reincarnation

This is not the coronavirus that's been around for decades, and this is not a vaccine that was tested decades ago. So far all the data proves vaccinated individuals are less at risk than unvaccinated ones.

Pure propaganda, right out of pharma companies advertising brochures.

And confirmed by countless non related government agencies from allover the world as well.


They are big and powerful but I think your overestimating the abilities of these companies a bit.

a reply to: Salander

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It’s apparent you don’t understand viruses. The covid of yesteryear is a mutation of today. Meaning, it holds similar genome characteristics.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

The Delta strain was first identified in India in December last year, before the vaccines were rolled out to the public. It already existed.

Not entirely true. India was a test site for vaccinations. The Sputnik vaccine began Phase 1 trials in India in September 2020. Sputnik vaccine did Phase 2 trials in India in December 2020 and January 2021.

Delta variant surfaced in October 2020 after Sputnik vaccine trials began. And after Sputnik trials, India rejected the Sputnik vaccine.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Are you suggesting that the virus will mutate differently when infecting someone who has had a vaccination than someone who has natural and immunity?


a reply to: Itisnowagain

He may have not made that claim, but I'll make the dissent.

People have different immune systems. Immune systems fight off diseases differently in people including Covid. In reference to natural immunity, YES, in some people it is different than the standard antibody protein used to make the vaccine.

Several studies have shown that people infected with Covid-19 tend to have T cells that can target the virus, regardless of whether they have experienced symptoms. So far, so normal. But scientists have also recently discovered that some people can test negative for antibodies against Covid-19 and positive for T cells that can identify the virus. This has led to suspicions that some level of immunity against the disease might be twice as common as was previously thought.

Most bizarrely of all, when researchers tested blood samples taken years before the pandemic started, they found T cells which were specifically tailored to detect proteins on the surface of Covid-19. This suggests that some people already had a pre-existing degree of resistance against the virus before it ever infected a human. And it appears to be surprisingly prevalent: 40-60% of unexposed individuals had these cells.

People With the Hidden Immunity to Covid

I underlined the statement about people who had Covid but their immune systems test negative for antibodies. The antibody test is to detect a specific protein. That protein is what the vaccines are based on. The vaccines try to stimulate that protein in the body.

Yet those with a hidden natural immunity who have had and fought off one or more strains test negative for the protein. This means their immune systems are different and are fighting off Covid without the protein. And this is prevalent in 40%-60% of the population fighting off Covid without the antibody protein that the vaccines are based off of.

So people with a hidden immunity to Covid do NOT have the protein in them UNLESS they get vaccinated and it is injected into them.

So yes, COVID WILL MUTATE DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT IMMUNE SYSTEMS.

We've already seen that Covid mutates at a higher rate in those with weakened immune systems, because it takes longer for the body to fight off. The longer it takes the body to fight off Covid, the more chances it has to mutate within that body.

Covid wants to survive. And if Covid encounters a host who has been vaccinated, then Covid will try to mutate to the protein in the vaccine. Vaccinated people can still catch Covid and as each vaccinated person catches Covid, Covid tries to mutate to survive the vaccine protein.

Now if you get a person with a weak immune system who is vaccinated, then it could take that person longer to fight off Covid even though they are vaccinated. And that gives Covid more time to try to mutate to survive the vaccine protein.

BUT...those with a hidden natural immunity to Covid who test negative to the protein antibody AND who have not been vaccinated---they don't have the protein in their bodies. So if they catch another strain of Covid, Covid will NOT mutate to vaccine protein in their bodies. And with those with a hidden natural immunity to Covid, they usually fight off Covid very easily with very little time fir Covid to mutate at all in their bodies.

So YES, Covid mutates differently in different people with different immune systems. And yes Covid mutates differently in the vaccinated versus those who are unvaccinated.

I tried to edit my post and it didn't work.

One more statement.

In those with weakened immune systems who are vaccinated, they might also be taking extra medications for their weak immune systems and Covid might also mutate to those medications.