If long term side effects manifest in 5 years from the vaccines....

Historically drug companies paid settlements but in this case pharma has no legal obligation. They don't even have to issue a formal apology. Basically below will not be happening:

Drugs: Paxil, Wellbutrin, Avandia

GlaxoSmithKline holds the dubious distinction of being forced to pay the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. history. The criminal fine was $956,814,400 with a forfeiture of $43,185,600. $2 billion was paid to resolve civil liabilities under the False Claims Act.

Drugs: Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica

The criminal fine was $1.3 billion, and the additional $1 billion was for civil allegations under the False Claims Act. Pfizer falsely promoted Bextra, antipsychotic drug Geodon, antibiotic Zyvox, and antiepileptic Lyrica. The company was also accused of paying kickbacks related to these drugs and submitting false claims to government health care programs based on uses that weren’t medically accepted.

Bextra was pulled from the market in 2005 after it was deemed unsafe.

Drugs: Risperdal, Invega, Natrecor

Criminal fines and forfeiture totaled $485 million, and civil settlements amounted to $1.72 billion.

In the early 2000s, Risperdal was approved to treat schizophrenia. However, the company’s sales representatives were promoting the drug to physicians as a treatment for elderly dementia patients for anxiety, agitation, depression, hostility, and confusion. There were also allegations that Risperdal was marketed for other unapproved uses, such as prescription to children and individuals with mental disabilities.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Pharmaceutical companies have not been liable for vaccine related injuries since the 1980s, when the national vaccine injury compensation fund was created. When you use this, you must meet the criteria, which is pretty stringent in order to get compensation. Here is a quote from the website:

It was created in the 1980s, after lawsuits against vaccine companies and health care providers threatened to cause vaccine shortages and reduce U.S. vaccination rates, which could have caused a resurgence of vaccine preventable diseases.

Here's the link: www.hrsa.gov...

So, basically pharmaceutical companies were being sued SO MUCH for vaccine injuries, the federal government had to step in because pharmaceutical companies were going to make less or no vaccines because they were losing so much money.

a reply to: Chalcedony

If you read some of the settlements there was fraud involved, not just complications and human error. Companies were hiding data, frauding people and investors.



Could any of this possibly be going on now with a worldwide push? One would be a fool if they believed this is not going on now.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

There's technology that makes fish offspring sterile.
Two decades from now these companies may not even exist. There will be no one to blame except themselves

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

I dont know anything about the possible legal actions to take if something like that was to happen. But if its bad enough people are gonna be pissed, and then they are gonna look for other people to blame, legal or not.

This goes for both sides of the argument.
If people tell other people NOT to get vaccinated, and they die from corona, people are gonna be pissed
If people tell other people TO GET vaccinated, and thet die from the vacination, people are gonna be pissed

LOTS of lies has been told doing this last year, and people are allready getting pissed - 5 years from now is a long way down the road, lets hope we still have any society and anybody left to sue when we get that far.

I agree that the pharmaceutical companies
Should be held responsible in tandem with
The federal government since they are the ones
Pushing these Jabs on people!

I trust neither of those entities above!

Live Long, Live Redneck Style

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

And people actually wonder aloud about why pharmaceutical companies are allowed to make as much money as they do! They actually wonder this! It's mind-blowing!

Why can't people see the one hundred foot tall bold letters written in blood on the walls???? It's just incomprehensible to me!!!

THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, PEOPLE!! Hello???? The problem IS, and always HAS BEEN, the ambulance chasing attorneys who are awarded these staggering damage claims which are so far out of proportion to actual damages it's beyond imagination.

The cash grab by the pharmaceutical companies over the covid vaccines will be the biggest haul in all the Universe! And do you know why? Because we as a society allowed this to happen! It's not THEM who are the problem, it's US! Why? Because the precedent has already been set...and WE set it! GAH!!

Want to lower the cost of medicine in general? Put a cap on the value of a human life, and outlaw pro-bono legal services for class action suits, and slap a big fat cap on legal service for the same. BOOM! Done!

Just freaking MIND-BLOWING people cannot see this!

SMH

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who knows where next

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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

If you read the settlements a big part of it was not practicing medicine which is absolutely not perfect that's why it's called practicing so a cap on that aspect should be implemented but actual fraud; no. No cap should be put on fraud, some of it is so diabolical those involved should be bankrupted and ruined, jailed to include the death penalty.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Hey, I'm not sticking up for the big pharma here, not by a long shot! But people are barkin' up the wrong tree about healthcare costs, and big pharma is a big part of it. I disagree on the no caps, because the realities of that are, that money goes nowhere but largely into attorney's pockets.

I have no issue with giving someone the juice for egregious and intentional malpractice, but financial ruin solves nothing. It only passes these costs off to everyone. It kicks the can down the road. People see some big fat settlement and they think justice was served. Far from it. These companies just file bankruptcy, merge with someone else and re-form. They slip away. Very seldom are these mammoth damage awards paid by anyone other than...all of us.

ETA - Big pharma is undoubtedly evil, but they're not the biggest meanest dog. No, that title goes to the attorneys.

When some doctor gets sued for $50m dollars, and he's only worth $5m, where do you think the rest of that money comes from??? It comes right from YOUR wallet the next time you pay your healthcare premium!!

These big pharma companies don't have any assets to speak of. It's all leased. They do this on purpose. Oh sure they've got a few million, but they don't have hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars of assets to liquidate. They just say "MEH!" and the filthy bastages vanish into the night.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Former Big Pharma worker here.

I wouldn't trust anyone from Big Pharma as far as I could throw them & I have weak wrists!

I don't trust them.

I've been on the bad end of 'certified drugs' being withdrawn due to bad side effects.

BUT - all those drugs you mention, and the one that effected me, were all drugs that are taken regularly and frequently.

We need to compare apples to apples.

I'm not arguing in favour of the vaccine, just in favour of sensible debate.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

First of all, vaccines aren’t drugs in the same way as all those examples you gave, for a lot of reasons that would take some time to discuss.

The history of vaccines, at least since the end of WWII shows that if complications/adverse effects from vaccination occur (and they usually do, to some extent) they occur within the first couple of months after being vaccinated. Here’s a good article on the subject that gives a bunch of examples:

www.chop.edu...

The most likely long term effect of the COVID19 vaccines is that not as many people will die from the COVID19 virus.

That will probably be massively disappointing to the doom porn addicts around here.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Historically drug companies paid settlements but in this case pharma has no legal obligation.

I think a much better - and much shorter OP - would be a summary of a list of all of the drugs that big Pharma have ever sold that

a) did NOT have to be pulled for safety reasons,

b) were later deemed to be ineffective, or cause worse problems,

c) did NOT result in civil and/or criminal penalties for their marketing lies.

You want to be healthy. Find a Doctor that is willing to work with you to get you off any and all medications, by losing the excess weight (if any) and getting on a healthy diet high in high quality healthy saturated fats, moderate high quality protein and low carb, cutting out all (as much as possible) processed foods (which means almost everything in a box or a can) and most fruits as they have way too much of the worst form of sugar, fructose (there are some notable exceptions like blueberries, apples, pears.

Also, learn about some of the amazing shortcuts to health (ie, living clay water for almost all digestive issues (IBD/Crohns/Leaky gut, etc) as well as general detox, activated charcoal for detox (I mix clay and charcoal and call it a slurry), ozonated water, and the most amazing and important tool of all for overall rejuvenation and healing - fasting. The best thing about fasting is it is available and accessible to everyone (because it is free).

originally posted by: Chalcedony
a reply to: Stupidsecrets
Pharmaceutical companies have not been liable for vaccine related injuries since the 1980s, when the national vaccine injury compensation fund was created. When you use this, you must meet the criteria, which is pretty stringent in order to get compensation. Here is a quote from the website:

It was created in the 1980s, after lawsuits against vaccine companies and health care providers threatened to cause vaccine shortages and reduce U.S. vaccination rates, which could have caused a resurgence of vaccine preventable diseases.

Here's the link: www.hrsa.gov...

So, basically pharmaceutical companies were being sued SO MUCH for vaccine injuries, the federal government had to step in because pharmaceutical companies were going to make less or no vaccines because they were losing so much money.

Exactly. I watched a pretty detailed video of a lady telling her story of traversing the so-called vaccine injury court system (it isn't a court), and she said it took them like 5 years, and was the most complicated thing she'd ever encountered.

The last detail she made clear was, both her and her husband were Medical Doctors, and she said there is no way they could have gotten any compensation at all had they not been Doctors, and even then, she wasn't sure they'd be successful until they finally won an award (apparently she couldn't say what their compensation was).

Our entire medical health system needs to be re-invented. I have lots of ideas on what needs to happen, but that is a subject for another day.

originally posted by: 1947boomer
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

First of all, vaccines aren’t drugs in the same way as all those examples you gave, for a lot of reasons that would take some time to discuss.

The history of vaccines, at least since the end of WWII shows that if complications/adverse effects from vaccination occur (and they usually do, to some extent) they occur within the first couple of months after being vaccinated. Here’s a good article on the subject that gives a bunch of examples:

www.chop.edu...

The most likely long term effect of the COVID19 vaccines is that not as many people will die from the COVID19 virus.

That will probably be massively disappointing to the doom porn addicts around here.

The reason vaccine injury shows up within a few months is that is all the follow up they ever do.

There are no (or very few) long term safety studies of any vaccine on the infant schedule, let alone a single study looking at multiple vaccines at once.

a reply to: 1947boomer

You

First of all, vaccines aren’t drugs in the same way as all those examples you gave, for a lot of reasons that would take some time to discuss.

Especially in the context of the covid vaccines that jack with your RNA. And your just relying on big pharmaceutical to ensure the right messenger RNA is being injected to program your cells.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

The sad thing is that is a record of the malpractices and dead from their miracle pills.

Still they give soo much money to the right people in political places that pharma get away with killing people and nobody really cares, unless you dig dip enough to find out, plus we the tax payer pays them subsidies too.

By the time one of the miracle pills or treatments is pulled out of the market is because no just a few people getting side effects or dying from it.

Is because is thousands involved, kind of make me think about the immunity they have now with the china virus jab, the government, the CDC and I think the FDA are all protected too.

Good points ... and it seems many people lack perspective in regards to the largely criminal, predatory nature of "big pharma."

But as to another result from the possible bad effects of this mass injection program, I'd offer that any benefits from the lower costs of real estate due to the glut of empty properties will be offset by the unavailability of trained labor to provide the necessities of life to those who remain.

It's difficult to be excited by "re-wilding" of urban areas when one is struggling to eat.

I am not an Anti Vaccination person but in the case of these very suspect MRNA based injections I am both suspicious that they may NOT be vaccines and also what the hell else are they putting into them.

Here is the vaccine I would want to get but it has been stopped and made illegal??? (first brought up on another ATS thread by a very well informed member).


Note the argument against it is that it was not properly trialled but the same so called expert is NOT criticising the large pharmaceutical company's whom he probably works for and that were also NOT properly trialled.
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