Covid - doctors unite - alarming signals

This seems to me to be the first real effort of doctors uniting against vaccines. I hope that the media finally takes up the criticism that comes out not only between the lines but also explicitly. The video is long...more than 2 hours. But what I'm concerned about now is what Dr. Cole says from about 1.35.00 of the video. This seems alarming to me. (By the way, you will see Dr Malone quite often...something that bothers me...but also something that Dr Malone can't do anything about)
Forgive me if I don't continue the discussion. Honestly, I'm tired of this whole covid thing. But something always catches my eye. And this is what I want to share with you. Take care.
inoneplace.com...

a reply to: zandra

Quick question before wasting 2 hours of my life, what kind of doctors are they?

Because if these ""highest-profile doctors, all specialists in their own fields"" are not immunologists nor virologists.

Im apt to ponder as to the veracity of there contributions where COVID 19 and pandemics are concerned.

a reply to: andy06shake

Well, Joseph Mercola is one of them, the leader of the Disinformation Dozen, so make of that what you will. And 13 others.

a reply to: andy06shake

Why does that matter? Ionnadis was ignored. Bosche. Malone. Just to name a few.

In fact ionnadis was said to be crazy by fact checkers.

What about mathematicians. Are they allowed to weigh in on the farce that is the data we are being presented?

How about paychologists on the damaging effects of lockdowns and mask wearing?

The entire past 1.5 years have been “believe scientists”. Ok here’s the worlds leading epidemiologist. “Not that scientist”

a reply to: zardust

It matters quite a bit.

You see i would not employ a joiner to fix my gas boiler even if he has a basic understanding of how it functions.

What about the fact that the vaccines work and do what it say on the tin?

Science is important and the only tool we have at our disposable that will allow us to attempt to understand the universe and reality we experience.

So im taking it these so-called doctors are not immunologists nor virologists then?

Imagine that. LoL

a reply to: andy06shake
Look them up

Professor Dolores Cahill
Dr Ryan Cole
Dr Richard Fleming
Dr Dmitry Kats
Dr Tess Lawrie
Dr Li-Meng Yan
Dr Robert Malone
Dr Peter McCullough
Dr Joseph Mercola
Dr Lee Merritt
Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Dr Richard Urso
Dr Sam White
Dr Vladimir Zelenko

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Whats the point when Joseph Michael Mercola is an American alternative medicine proponent?

Operative word being "alternative".

Alternative to reality maybe.

Away you go look up how the vaccines function and why they are working, there's a thought. x

a reply to: andy06shake

How about this....You present your credentials, we compare them to their credentials, then we can decide who to listen to.

a reply to: andy06shake

Obviously it doesn’t or the science believers would listen to the actual worlds leading doctors like ionnadis. Literally considered the worlds number one scientist for years all the sudden is a crazed lunatic.

Or Robert Malone the inventor of MRNA shots.

You are also throwing out a logical fallacy but hey it’s the internet so who gives a # amiright? Logic isn’t part of the new normal. Appeal to authority is the name of the covid game. And when you get to decide who the authority is like Bill Gates for instance or Neil Ferguson you win the game without even having to try.

a reply to: Flatcoat

I listen to doctors who are worth there salt.

As to my credentials well i have had both COVID 19 in January and both Pfizer shots and im just tickety-boo ta very much.

Don't know anyone else that experience anything other than a sore arm or COVID 19 like symptoms for a day.

So what your claim to fame? x

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: zardust

It matters quite a bit.

You see i would not employ a joiner to fix my gas boiler even if he has a basic understanding of how it functions.

What about the fact that the vaccines work and do what it say on the tin?

Science is important and the only tool we have at our disposable that will allow us to attempt to understand the universe and reality we experience.

So im taking it these so-called doctors are not immunologists nor virologists then?

Imagine that. LoL

Where is your proof they work?

Massechusettes?

a reply to: andy06shake

So, you're just a person with an opinion like the rest of us then....

a reply to: zardust

Naw mate your mad doctors are the ones throwing out a logical fallacy.

Science believers aka people who endeavour to understand the world as it is have all been vaccinated.

By my guesstimation you don't seem to be right about much else you would not place such stock in quacks with an agenda aka your so-called doctors talking mince out there puss.

a reply to: Flatcoat

I am indeed.

And a fully vaccinated person at that. x

What's your credentials?

a reply to: flice

There you go.

www.cdc.gov...

www.nature.com...

time.com...

www.publichealth.org...

Not that it will matter to you i suppose. LoL

originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: andy06shake

Why does that matter? Ionnadis was ignored. Bosche. Malone. Just to name a few.

In fact ionnadis was said to be crazy by fact checkers.

What about mathematicians. Are they allowed to weigh in on the farce that is the data we are being presented?

How about paychologists on the damaging effects of lockdowns and mask wearing?

The entire past 1.5 years have been “believe scientists”. Ok here’s the worlds leading epidemiologist. “Not that scientist”

Besides, as soon as data by so-called experts is interpreted, funneled, censored before reaching the public if it gets out at all, then we have a fundamental problem with lack of transparency.

Do you know why people like Fauci gets the position they have and keep it? Because they are loyal.... not to the public, not to science, but to those who employ them.

The same goes for experts.

See the thing is, a lot of these rely on what they are told, not what they are experiencing here and now, not because they read all the peer reviewed papers. In fact few of them have the time or interest to do so.
As for the working MDs who gets paraded, they are working 60 plus hours a week. Do you really think they have the time to go into the subject with up to date knowledge?
They dont... they rely on the idea that what they already know and believe must still be true, although data and experience proves them wrong.

And thats why it ends up being individuals like these who stand up, because they found the time... they had the interest and the guts to question the official narrative.

a reply to: andy06shake

Quick question before wasting 2 hours of my life, what kind of doctors are they?

Well i looked up the first one on the list Dolores Cahill who is honestly a professor of medicine at the University College of Dublin. She was also the chairperson for the right-wing Irish Freedom Party and after she made her comments about Covid even they thought they where so bonkers that she was politly asked to stepdown and she was asked to step down from various other posistions. Basically she made a bunch of basless claims and the rest of the accademics laughed at her.

Dr Ryan Cole is a dermatologist.....skin doctor, hardly an internationally renowed expert on viruses

Dr Richard Fleming

(1) Has been convicted of a felony that involves bribery, payment of illegal gratuities, fraud, perjury, false statement, racketeering, blackmail, extortion, falsification or destruction of records, or interference with, obstruction of an investigation into, or prosecution of, any criminal offense and (2) based on the conviction and other information, the individual has demonstrated a pattern of conduct sufficient to find that there is reason to believe that the person may violate requirements under the FD&C Act relating to drug products.

On April 24, 2009, Fleming, the president of, and sole physician at, Fleming Heart and Health Institute, P.C. (FHHI), pled guilty to one felony count of healthcare fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1347 and 2, and one felony count of mail fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 2. On August 20, 2009, the U.S. District Court for the District of Nebraska entered a judgment of conviction against Fleming on these counts and sentenced Fleming to 5 years of probation.

Dr Peter McCullough, just a name a didn't need to google, he was the nutter i think who claimed that the vaccine was a bio-weapon that was killing thousands of Americans

Dr Joseph Mercola, a man the New York Times has described as the most influencial spreader of covid missinformation

Dr Lee Merritt, Ortho doctor again hardly an expert on virology she spends her days with a mallet and drill fixing hips and broken bones.

Dr Sherri Tenpenny, this one made me laugh, this lady claimed that the vaccine was magnatising people....

Richard Urso....he's an eye doctor....

Dr Sam White, susspended by NHS england.

Dr Vladimir Zelenko, a Family doctor whose been under investigation over some of his methods for treating Covid.

Basically....

All of these people hold or have held mecial degrees and licences to practice, there was one or two who i couldn't find any information on but of the ones I could find info on they've all been discredited in some way. They also all seem to be part of the America's frontline Doctors group which is basically a machine for pumping out covid misinformation.

Its also intersting to note that many of them, if not all of them do not specialise in relievent feilds of medicine. Something i don't know if people who don't work in healthcare perhpase fully appreciate is the monumental differance in a dermatologist and a Intensivist for example. The people who we should be listening to are the virologists, resperitory doctors, the ICU doctors and the ID guys, not the guy that fixes grannys legs.

Speaking to a ortho doc for expert advice on Covid is a bit like going to a plumber for advice on getting your computer fixed.

So yeah....saved you two hours.

a reply to: andy06shake

As I said ..like the rest of us. But I'll give you my take on this for what it's worth. I watched my father die of pancreatic cancer last year. My uncle is dying of pancreatic cancer as we speak. Thousands of people have died of some cancer or other so far this year here in Aus...and yet the cancer foundation has to beg for donations. But then we have a handful of people die from a bad flu and suddenly the government is throwing shed loads of money at it....destroying lives, ruining businesses and breaking up families....turning the whole country on it's head. So sorry, you can't convince me that this is all about saving lives....which is why I don't trust anything to do with this covid crap and it's vaccines.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: andy06shake

Quick question before wasting 2 hours of my life, what kind of doctors are they?

Well i looked up the first one on the list Dolores Cahill who is honestly a professor of medicine at the University College of Dublin. She was also the chairperson for the right-wing Irish Freedom Party and after she made her comments about Covid even they thought they where so bonkers that she was politly asked to stepdown and she was asked to step down from various other posistions. Basically she made a bunch of basless claims and the rest of the accademics laughed at her.

Dr Ryan Cole is a dermatologist.....skin doctor, hardly an internationally renowed expert on viruses

Dr Richard Fleming

(1) Has been convicted of a felony that involves bribery, payment of illegal gratuities, fraud, perjury, false statement, racketeering, blackmail, extortion, falsification or destruction of records, or interference with, obstruction of an investigation into, or prosecution of, any criminal offense and (2) based on the conviction and other information, the individual has demonstrated a pattern of conduct sufficient to find that there is reason to believe that the person may violate requirements under the FD&C Act relating to drug products.

On April 24, 2009, Fleming, the president of, and sole physician at, Fleming Heart and Health Institute, P.C. (FHHI), pled guilty to one felony count of healthcare fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1347 and 2, and one felony count of mail fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1341 and 2. On August 20, 2009, the U.S. District Court for the District of Nebraska entered a judgment of conviction against Fleming on these counts and sentenced Fleming to 5 years of probation.

Dr Peter McCullough, just a name a didn't need to google, he was the nutter i think who claimed that the vaccine was a bio-weapon that was killing thousands of Americans

Dr Joseph Mercola, a man the New York Times has described as the most influencial spreader of covid missinformation

Dr Lee Merritt, Ortho doctor again hardly an expert on virology she spends her days with a mallet and drill fixing hips and broken bones.

Dr Sherri Tenpenny, this one made me laugh, this lady claimed that the vaccine was magnatising people....

Richard Urso....he's an eye doctor....

Dr Sam White, susspended by NHS england.

Dr Vladimir Zelenko, a Family doctor whose been under investigation over some of his methods for treating Covid.

Basically....

All of these people hold or have held mecial degrees and licences to practice, there was one or two who i couldn't find any information on but of the ones I could find info on they've all been discredited in some way. They also all seem to be part of the America's frontline Doctors group which is basically a machine for pumping out covid misinformation.

Its also intersting to note that many of them, if not all of them do not specialise in relievent feilds of medicine. Something i don't know if people who don't work in healthcare perhpase fully appreciate is the monumental differance in a dermatologist and a Intensivist for example. The people who we should be listening to are the virologists, resperitory doctors, the ICU doctors and the ID guys, not the guy that fixes grannys legs.

Speaking to a ortho doc for expert advice on Covid is a bit like going to a plumber for advice on getting your computer fixed.

So yeah....saved you two hours.

Let me render your entire post ignorant with one quote:

twelve years

A minimum of twelve years of training and education is typically required in order to become a dermatologist in the United States and other western countries. This includes an undergraduate pre-medical degree, general medical training, internship and dermatology specialization training.