Vaccinated People Can Spread Delta!! Cdc Confirmed

Don't listen to the bullsnip
its obvious covid has been hijacked for ulterior motives.
we need to pull together as a whole
enough of this them vs us crap
we are one
..we always have been

How is this news to anyone?

a reply to: matafuchs

Something interesting to ponder - at the time of that study, only about 64% of the residents of Massachusetts had been vaccinated on average. So either they found a hyper concentration of the vaccinated or the study is something other than what they're claiming it is.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: timewarpedbrain7

It's one of the most transmissible viruses we know about. Measles, chickenpox, this -- they're all up there."

When I was young, my brother got chickenpox first, my mom made sure he gave it to me and my sister, my aunt brought us over so my cousins could get it.

It sucked a lot. It was not fun to have at all.

But now, I don't need to worry about getting sick in an extremely debilitating way should as an adult I come into contact with it.

This would have been around 1995-1996...

So, what the hell's happened in the 25 years or so since then that people have become such huge pussies they're scared of something far less unpleasant than chickenpox?

The accessibility of misinformation went through the roof, American values have shifted away from family and towards (in)dependence. 9/11 and the patriot act. Constant spying and surveillance. Legalized propaganda, some “mini” pandemics... a lots happened to take us from where we were in 95-96 and lead us right here.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: matafuchs

Something interesting to ponder - at the time of that study, only about 64% of the residents of Massachusetts had been vaccinated on average. So either they found a hyper concentration of the vaccinated or the study is something other than what they're claiming it is.

The % of vaccinated residents doesn’t dictate the density it’s distributed, nor should that poke any holes in the study. It seems you don’t find it believable?

a reply to: timewarpedbrain7

People are getting the vaccine and don't have any symptoms. They're trying to prevent getting the virus, not even knowing that the virus is in the vaccine. And, BTW.....why are all these viruses popping up, outside of "flu season"???? They want me to believe there's a new variant and it's like 90 degrees outside?

Is common sense still a thing?

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
Delta variant is nice way to get everyone vaccinated the natural way(UK affirms mild side effects), I dont think they can keep up the narrative if hospitalizations drop to nothing.

Delta should end the pandemic.

The best thing that can happen to an individual is to contract Covid-19 and recover. You can then GLADLY steer clear of being a guinea-pig for Moderna/Johnson-Johnson/Pfizer. Those 3 have a rap-sheet a mile long.

originally posted by: GravitySucks
How is this news to anyone?

Here's news.

I heard a doctor on a radio show medical segment say yesterday that the tests do NOT show what "variant" you have, if you test positive for Covid-19.

If that's true, we have an entire new batch of LIES coming out of the Biden Administration, Fauci, the News Media, etc..

a reply to: carewemust

I believe they send off the samples for genomic testing. The CDC only wanted samples from vaccinated people where the PCR cycle threshold less than or equal to 28, anything higher and they are not interested. Wish I had the link to it, I deffo read it from CDC direct.

originally posted by: Dae
a reply to: carewemust

I believe they send off the samples for genomic testing. The CDC only wanted samples from vaccinated people where the PCR cycle threshold less than or equal to 28, anything higher and they are not interested. Wish I had the link to it, I deffo read it from CDC direct.

Thank-you. Since Covid is no longer very lethal (300 deaths @ day out of the 7,700 daily total in the USA), it doesn't matter which variant you get, because you will recover and have long-term immunity to Covid.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: timewarpedbrain7

Time to shut down small businesses again. . . . . .

I live on the border between Kansas and Missouri in the Kansas City area. The Missouri side just implemented the mask mandate once again. The Kansas side did not. One city of people, two different states. Its really a joke. Totally uncoordinated and small businesses will suffer. People will just come over to Kansas to buy stuff because they have already tossed their masks.

Senator Lindsey Graham just announced he has contracted covid-19... And has had it since at least this past friday.

He says if it was not for the Trump administration's vaccine, his symptoms would be a lot worse.

Graham says it just feels like he has a mild case of hay fever.

Will quarantine for 10 days.

This does not make Liberals happy, because Graham was supposed to vote Yes on the infrastructure bill this week.

Now he is urging other senators who came in contact with him to self quarantine, out of an abundance of caution.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: GravitySucks
How is this news to anyone?

Here's news.

I heard a doctor on a radio show medical segment say yesterday that the tests do NOT show what "variant" you have, if you test positive for Covid-19.

If that's true, we have an entire new batch of LIES coming out of the Biden Administration, Fauci, the News Media, etc..

It's not true. They are sequencing a great many positive cases to determine the variant. But, of course. the backlog is growing.

And about the lies?

originally posted by: timewarpedbrain7
CDC STUDY

Probably not the best name for the link, but wanted to start a place to discuss this.

It appears that the vaccinated do in fact spread covid... So what does this all mean? Who will want to go back for a 3rd shot knowing it won't work.

What happens when new variants start popping up again. Does that mean more and more vax shots forced on us that don't work?

But we knew this since day one. We knew that this was going to be the case even before the vax came out because this is NORMAL.

Vaxes stop you getting sick, they don't magical kill virus. Covid can survive in you nasal passages, on you hands, even on your phone.

The important thing is A. Vaxed people are 85% less likely to get sick and 50-60% less likely to transmit covid.

In a country the size of the US this eqates to 10s of thousands of lives saved.

a reply to: timewarpedbrain7Vanden Bossche said:

“There can be no doubt that continued mass vaccination campaigns will enable new, more infectious viral variants to become increasingly dominant and ultimately result in a dramatic incline in new cases despite enhanced vaccine coverage rates. There can be no doubt either that this situation will soon lead to complete resistance of circulating variants to the current vaccines.”

"Based on the scientific evidence, the narrative that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false, according to Dr.Joseph Mercola."

*** Vaccinated People May Play Key Role in Aiding Evolution of More Dangerous COVID Variants, Study Says 8.2.21 ***

According to research published last week in Scientific Reports, the highest risk for establishing a vaccine-resistant virus strain occurs when a large fraction of the population has already been vaccinated but the transmission is not controlled.

By Megan Redshaw

childrenshealthdefense.org...

According to research published last week in Scientific Reports, vaccinated people may play a key role in helping SARS-CoV-2 variants evolve into those that evade existing COVID vaccines.

The researchers concluded three specific risk factors that favor the emergence and establishment of a vaccine-resistant strain. They are: a high probability of initial emergence of the resistant strain; high number of infected individuals; and low rate of vaccination.

However, the analysis also showed the highest risk for establishing a resistant strain occurs when a large fraction of the population has already been vaccinated but the transmission is not controlled.

Virologists have a name for variations of a virus that slip past vaccine- or illness-induced immune defenses — they’re called “escape mutants.”

“When most people are vaccinated, the vaccine-resistant strain has an advantage over the original strain,” Simon Rella of the Institute of Science and Technology Austria, told CNN.

“This means the vaccine-resistant strain spreads through the population faster at a time when most people are vaccinated,” said Rella, who worked on the study.

The data is consistent with a study released last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which showed vaccinated people may transmit the Delta variant — now responsible for 80% of COVID cases in the U.S. — just as easily as the unvaccinated.

The team of scientists who published the data in Scientific Reports said their findings follow what’s known as selective pressure — the force that drives any organism to evolve.

“Generally, the more people are infected, the more the chances for vaccine resistance to emerge,” said Fyodor Kondrashov of the Institute of Science and Technology Austria.

“So the more Delta is infectious, the more reason for concern,” Kondrashov said. “By having a situation where you vaccinate everybody, a vaccine-resistant mutant actually gains a selective advantage.”

Experts warned for months vaccines could cause more dangerous COVID variants.

Based on the scientific evidence, the narrative that unvaccinated people are viral factories for more dangerous variants is false, according to Dr. Joseph Mercola.


Mercola, a physician and best-selling author, said just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines put evolutionary pressure on viruses to speed up mutations and create more virulent and dangerous variants.

Mercola explained: “Viruses mutate all the time, and if you have a vaccine that doesn’t block infection completely, then the virus will mutate to evade the immune response within that person. That is one of the distinct features of the COVID shots — they’re not designed to block infection. They allow infection to occur and at best lessen the symptoms of that infection.”


“In an unvaccinated person, the virus does not encounter the same evolutionary pressure to mutate into something stronger,” Mercola added.

“So, if SARS-CoV-2 does end up mutating into more lethal strains, then mass vaccination is the most likely driver,” he said.

According to Rob Verkerk Ph.D., founder, scientific and executive director of Alliance for Natural Health International, variants can become more virulent and transmissible, while also including immune (or vaccine) escape mutations if we continue on the vaccine treadmill — trying to develop new vaccines that outsmart the virus.

Verkerk said, “if we put all our eggs” in the basket of vaccines that target the very part of the virus that is most subject to mutation, we place a selection pressure on the virus that favors the development of immune escape variants.

Scientists and vaccine developers are trying to work their way around these viral variants, but there’s no guarantee of the outcomes. It’s an experiment in which vast numbers of citizens have become unwitting participants, Verkerk explained.

In March, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, a vaccinologist who worked with GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle and Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization in Geneva, put out a call to the World Health Organization — supported by a 12-page document describing the “uncontrollable monster” that global mass vaccination will create.

Vanden Bossche said:

“There can be no doubt that continued mass vaccination campaigns will enable new, more infectious viral variants to become increasingly dominant and ultimately result in a dramatic incline in new cases despite enhanced vaccine coverage rates. There can be no doubt either that this situation will soon lead to complete resistance of circulating variants to the current vaccines.”



The Defender reported March 26 that a combination of lockdowns and extreme selection pressure on the virus induced by the intense global mass vaccination program might diminish the number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the short-term, but ultimately, would induce the creation of more mutants of concern.

This is the result of what Vanden Bossche calls “immune escape” (i.e. incomplete sterilization of the virus by the human immune system, even following vaccine administration).

This will trigger vaccine companies to further refine vaccines that will add to — not reduce — the selection pressure, producing ever more transmissible and potentially deadly variants.



The selection pressure will cause greater convergence in mutations that affect the critical spike protein of the virus that is responsible for breaking through the mucosal surfaces of our airways, the route used by the virus to enter the human body, Vanden Bossche argued.

The virus will effectively outsmart the highly specific antigen-based vaccines that are being used and tweaked, dependent on the circulating variants.

This could lead to a hockey stick-like increase in serious and potentially lethal cases — in effect, an out-of-control pandemic.

“We are going to pay a huge price for this. And I’m becoming emotional because I’m thinking of my children, of the younger generation. I mean, it’s just impossible what we are doing. We don’t understand the pandemic,” Vanden Bossche said.

Megan Redshaw is a freelance reporter for The Defender. She has a background in political science, a law degree and extensive training in natural health.

a reply to: EarthShine

Back in the day there used to be a policy about overly long external quotes here. I thought it was a good policy.
Here, for example.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Do you have any thoughts of your own?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: EarthShine

Back in the day there used to be a policy about overly long external quotes here. I thought it was a good policy.
Here, for example.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Do you have any thoughts of your own?

To summarize, stop giving out the vaccine except for select compromised sections of at risk people and build immunity. This # is going to kill a lot of people.

a reply to: EarthShine

There can be no doubt that continued mass vaccination campaigns will enable new, more infectious viral variants to become increasingly dominant and ultimately result in a dramatic incline in new cases despite enhanced vaccine coverage rates. There can be no doubt either that this situation will soon lead to complete resistance of circulating variants to the current vaccines.”

If this were true, wouldn't we have seen this with other mass vax campaign like polio and smallpox?

I think that you're confusing antibiotic resistance with something that you saw on the Scifi network

originally posted by: iwanttobelieve70

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: EarthShine

Back in the day there used to be a policy about overly long external quotes here. I thought it was a good policy.
Here, for example.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Do you have any thoughts of your own?

To summarize, stop giving out the vaccine except for select compromised sections of at risk people and build immunity. This # is going to kill a lot of people.

Debunked by the existence of other mass vax campaigns where this does not happen.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: EarthShine

There can be no doubt that continued mass vaccination campaigns will enable new, more infectious viral variants to become increasingly dominant and ultimately result in a dramatic incline in new cases despite enhanced vaccine coverage rates. There can be no doubt either that this situation will soon lead to complete resistance of circulating variants to the current vaccines.”

If this were true, wouldn't we have seen this with other mass vax campaign like polio and smallpox?

Do you know the difference between a sterilizing vaccine and a leaky vaccine?
I suppose if you did......you would not be asking the question above.

You should do though.....as you have been informed many many many times!

Read this:
Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve | Quanta Magazine
www.quantamagazine.org...