PHE report, more vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated

a reply to: ScepticScot

Sure sure

And yet. EVERY measurement STILL says the China virus is one of the most harmless viruses in existence.

What’s the death toll up to now, like two hundred million? Seven hundred million?

I better start thinking about maybe, possibly wearing a mask if it reaches over a billion

Maybe

a reply to: NeoSpace

Did you even read your own link?

When you have a 90% vaccination rate in the most vulnerable population, then 90% of all deaths in that group should be vaccinated, anything less than that means the vaccine is working.

Add some data to the thread. Tell us how many have died from delta >65, and then what percent were fully vaccinated, and what percent of the population >65 is fully vaccinated.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Callous. What's a few million preventable deaths .... They're old anyways and just a drain on society, better they die, amirite?

What's really disturbing about this attitude is those elderly people who are somehow deemed disposable now most likely worked and strived their while lives building an infrastructure and paying taxes to give the people willing to let them die in favour of freedom to drink on bars and have haircuts on demand.

Do these people not realise that if there's ever a covid 45 then they will be the disposable ones?



a reply to: OccamsRazor04

a reply to: nonspecific

Nope. The chaff was burned off in the first two waves. If all the really sick and old already died, you would expect to see lower death rates in that group.

Ivor Cummins explains it with the Epidemiology text book. This is actual science. Actual epidemiology. Not the pop sci propaganda this article tries to pass off as rational discussion or science.

Not here in the UK they didn't

They self isolated and as far as I'm aware the 65 plus demographic is alive and strong.


a reply to: zardust

originally posted by: NeoSpace
a reply to: ScepticScot

I don't care how they spin it, the vaccinated are dying.

Given that the most vulnerable people were vaccinated first, and the least vulnerable have yet to be vaccinated ... what you're essentially saying is that a soldier serving on the front line of a war is more likely to die that somebody selling soft scoop at Disneyland, therefore selling soft scoop make you semi-immortal?

Your logic is as bad as your math.

originally posted by: ZED332L
a reply to: oddnutz
I will not take the shot. But it is Deemed " Experimental"

This does raise one important question, how long do you plan on waiting before you decide that it's "ready" for you?

a reply to: AaarghZombies
When it had been approved........can't actually provide an actual date as yet.

As hundreds of millions of people around the world get vaccinated, it may seem like wordsmithing to highlight the fact that none of the covid-19 vaccines in use are actually “approved.” Through an emergency access mechanism known as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA), the products being rolled out still technically remain “investigational.”3 Factsheets distributed to vaccinees are clear: “There is no FDA approved vaccine to prevent covid-19.”

Covid-19 vaccines: In the rush for regulatory approval, do we need more data? | The BMJ
www.bmj.com...

It seems here on ATS, THE UNVACCINATED ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE THEMSELVES THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY NOT GETTING VACCINATED.

Everyone I know is vaccinated, and NOT ONE PROBLEM.

I'll believe my eyes and ears, and not people with an agenda.

Don't get vaccinated, I could care less. But please, can we just shut up and wait for the bodies to pile up before we have another 5,000 OPs about it? Would that be possible? Let me know when you have some pics. And names of those who have died. YOU KNOW, PROOF!!!! WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE.

Because frankly, this site sucks right now. Every single day, fifty articles about how people are suppose to be dropping in front of me, and yet, I DON'T SEE IT.

I spend time allover the internet and I'll tell you this as a nice bit of anecdotal evidence.

The number of ATS members that know far more people that have died from a vaccine than have died from covid is far higher on average than any other place I've seen by a vast amount.

There's multiple people who know tens of people that have died from a covid 19 vaccine, one member knows over fifty.

I've not seen these kinds of numbers anywhere else.



a reply to: MiddleInsite

People who have already taken the experimental jab will argue against reason in defence of it. Understand that for the sake of their own sanity, they have a deep need to believe that it is safe, regardless of what stark reality might say. The fear, anxiety and anger that admitting anything else would entail would simply be too much to withstand.

Maybe it's best to let them rest in their cognitive dissonance.

a reply to: nonspecific

What? If the old and sick are who are the majority of who died. It is. And those that are already prone to dying from it have done so, how would that not change things?

Estimated covid 19 deaths to date UK, 130,000

Estimated UK population.over the age of 65 12.400000


a reply to: zardust

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
It seems here on ATS, THE UNVACCINATED ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE THEMSELVES THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING BY NOT GETTING VACCINATED.

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It looks to me more like the vaccinated are trying to convince themselves that they did the right thing.

You see, if today I have chosen to remain unvaccinated with a 100% experimental treatment, I still have the option to be treated if and when I become convinced by empirical evidence that it is safe and effective. I am open to any convincing evidence that would prove my opinion erroneous.

On the other hand, if you have received the injection already, you have no option left. You cannot "unvaccinate." Regardless of the force of evidence, you must - for your own mental well-being and peace of mind - believe that the treatment is safe; to believe otherwise would be essentially to accept that you are potentially under a somewhat self-imposed death sentence. That would weigh heavily on anybody's mind, so you must convince yourself, in spite of any evidence that you might see, that you have made the right choice.

We've seen this in parents who's children are suffering ill effects or have even died after receiving the treatment, but who say they'd have the children injected again knowing what they now know. Others ridicule and criticize them, but to admit that you had a direct hand in what amounts to perhaps the unintentional murder of your own child would break most people.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

But, then, you did write that in ALL CAPS, so maybe you HAVE A POINT!

If everyone waited to see if it was safe then how would we find out it was safe?


a reply to: incoserv

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: ZED332L
a reply to: oddnutz
I will not take the shot. But it is Deemed " Experimental"

This does raise one important question, how long do you plan on waiting before you decide that it's "ready" for you?

Easy answer.

When I decide. I have my own set of validations. They may vary from person to person. I'll keep my options open.

For now, my family - all of whom have survived the infection - is following the IMASK+ protocol as a precautionary measure.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite

Because frankly, this site sucks right now. Every single day, fifty articles about how people are suppose to be dropping in front of me, and yet, I DON'T SEE IT.

Well, if YOU DON'T SEE IT then it scientifically, empirically, factually must not exist. Right?

There are lots of things that I'm told exist not I've never seen. Tornados. Atoms. Sane beautiful women. They must all be lies, because I DON'T SEE IT.

(THERE WE GO WITH THE CAPS AGAIN!)

And, honestly, if "this site sucks," why are you here? I don't typically visit websites that I think "suck." I'm seriously curious.
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: NeoSpace
theconversation.com... lobal-en-GB

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine.

Even this article is trying to defend the jabs even when the official data show the jab is useless.

This has been posted before and the link even explains why there would be more deaths amongst the vacinated

Try reading it's good for you.

wait, so the article says what the OP says, but your have to put on the dick shoes? Why?