Delta Variant in the midwest and spreading fast!

a reply to: billxam

The laws will need to be officially changed, before you can be forced to show your vaccination papers.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Gothmog
Or else I will think you are just typing what YOU think

I don't need links. I've been hiring and firing people for 15 years. If it's a company policy, you agree to adhere to it or you don't work there. A lot of hospitals have been mandating the flu shot for years.

Is it illegal for schools to demand children's vaccination records?

Of course there are exemptions for people who actually can't take vaccines, religion, etc... but in the grand scheme of things, your job can fire you for any reason, or no reason at all, in most states.

That one YOU HAVE to prove .

Is it illegal for schools to demand children's vaccination records?

Schools don't demand.
They have to ask the parents to provide .
They cannot get them themselves .
It is against the law .
And that is a Federal requirement .

Of course , all this only applies in the US .
I don't know about other countries .

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originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: timewarpedbrain7
Going to be some big HIPPA lawsuits in the coming months and years.

You don't know how HIPAA works. You don't even know what it stands for.

Your job absolutely can know if you're vaccinated or not, and they absolutely can ask for proof if it's for their policy.

Not true at all... it depends on the state.

In Montana for instance your vaccination status is protected.

They only thing an employer can require you to give and verify is your citizenship status.

So you are wrong... once again.

Being wrong appears to be your super power.

You are our new silly person.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: BrujaRebooted

originally posted by: Mark08
It's called the summer cold. Well, before covid 19 that's what is was called.

‘Summer cold’ has our hospitals filling up quickly. North of Los Angeles, the Delta hotspot in the US.

I'm coming from the midwestern "danger" zone. Hospitals do have more cases here, but they're not overwhelmed according to a report in the news. A few of the smaller hospitals have had to transfer some patients, but capacity overall is good.

Same here, at least in W MI. For a Ground Zero state that is supposed to be sporting tumbleweeds and 10 million corpses by now, we're looking fairly Everyday Typical, despite the covid scaremongering.

Chicken Little can keep hollering, MI didn't burn and the world hasn't ended. It's so far beyond Not A Big Deal/Nothingburger anymore, that the proper terminology hasn't yet sprung forth from the cosmic ether into the English language (borrowed or invented) to properly describe just how MUCH of a No Big Deal/Nothingburger it's perceived as 'round here.

a reply to: Lumenari

It's not a HIPAA violation, it's a state law. He's right, since he specified HIPAA. You are correct that while not a HIPAA violation, states can pass laws on the subject.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: billxam

The laws will need to be officially changed, before you can be forced to show your vaccination papers.

I've had to show my vaccination status for over 10 years for my job. No HIPAA violation.

a reply to: billxam

You can ask them to sign whatever you want, if they are not a covered entity they aren't breaking HIPAA laws.

a reply to: Echo007

Only thing mask do is make people keep quiet.

This. "Control"

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Lumenari

It's not a HIPAA violation, it's a state law. He's right, since he specified HIPAA. You are correct that while not a HIPAA violation, states can pass laws on the subject.

I was going from this...

Your job absolutely can know if you're vaccinated or not, and they absolutely can ask for proof if it's for their policy.

That is not true.

I did not bring HIPPA into the conversation, since The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS) is a “hybrid entity” under HIPAA, meaning that it consists of both covered and non-covered portions.

Vaccination status in my state is a Protected status and employers here cannot ask about it.

He was wrong.

Again.

originally posted by: Lumenari

I was going from this...

Well you should have been going from his whole quote, since his post was in relation to HIPAA.

You don't know how HIPAA works. You don't even know what it stands for.

Your job absolutely can know if you're vaccinated or not, and they absolutely can ask for proof if it's for their policy.

Which he clearly stated and was clear in the post he replied to. Not sure how you think it wasn't about HIPAA.

Guess what, every new hire where I work has to provide proof of vaccination, if not, no job. I don't agree with it, but they are not breaking HIPAA.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I'm sorry... I'm aware you are a Covidian but usually you are better prepared when it comes to your replies.

I responded to this post by your new bestie...

You don't know how HIPAA works. You don't even know what it stands for.

Your job absolutely can know if you're vaccinated or not, and they absolutely can ask for proof if it's for their policy.

I am aware of how HIPPA works and I know that it stands for the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996.

So I did not bother responding to that portion of his post.

I responded to the second paragraph which was...

Your job absolutely can know if you're vaccinated or not, and they absolutely can ask for proof if it's for their policy.

That is quite false.

Here is the Montana bill to prove it.

Montana House Bill 702

You who come on ATS and try to defend what your own country is doing to you have to do so many mental gymnastics now that I bet you have to screw your socks on in the morning.

And I don't personally care that your new hires have to provide proof of vaccination to work and that you don't agree with it, but seem to be fine going along with it.

It just means you live in an authoritarian state and will put on the brown shirt and go to work with a smile on your face.

COMPLY!

a reply to: Lumenari

If you read HIPAA, and decided the post was not about HIPAA, I can't help you.

originally posted by: Lumenari
Not true at all... it depends on the state.

In Montana for instance your vaccination status is protected.

They only thing an employer can require you to give and verify is your citizenship status.

So you are wrong... once again.

Being wrong appears to be your super power.

You are our new silly person.

Just one example.

Many states require that hospitals report their employees' vaccination status.

Back to what I said about schools, they can't MAKE you provide your child's vaccine records, but they can refuse to let your kid go to school if you refuse to provide it.

An employer can't MAKE you provide your vaccination status, but they can refuse to hire you if you don't.

HIPAA (at least get the god damn acronym right if you all want to pretend to know what it means) only protects you from having your healthcare provider share your information without your consent. A private business can make any policy they want, so long that it doesn't go against any labor laws.

Anti-vaxxers aren't protected under the EEOC.

a reply to: MiaBandetoh

I don't think vaccines are meant to make people immune, as there's no immunity from the flu. Rather, they're meant to lessen the damage caused by infection.

CDC should be telling everyone to try and catch Delta for some natural immunity, much weaker version from original strain.

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
CDC should be telling everyone to try and catch Delta for some natural immunity, much weaker version from original strain.

Yeah, let's go back to pox parties.

No, we have vaccines for that now.

originally posted by: inert

But I would be concerned with how a vaccinated person got Covid and spread it, when we are being told that almost never happens.

a reply to: network dude

There are 2 problems. The first is that there are so many unvaccinated people that vaccinated people will catch it from them. They may not know they have it. It would be at a very low viral dose compared to the unvaccinated people since their immune system is prepped to fight it. They will recover much faster, but this is the way it's supposed to work. The vaccine will prevent a serious case. It won't prevent all cases.

The second is that the delta variant didn't exist back when you heard it should never happen. The delta variant is much more transmissible and infectious. If more people were vaccinated, this would peter out as the virus can't really get going in a community. This is just like measles and how it spreads. If the community is well vacinated, it protects the unvaccinated because it can't spread easily. If the immunization rate is low, you have a local epidemic of measles.

So the delta variant has changed the landscape, but the story we continue to hear HAS NOT CHANGED. This is where the misinformation is coming from. If the shot isn't as effective, we need to know that, and if natural immunity is better, or worse, we need to know that. Follow the SCIENCE not the rhetoric.

Here in Southwest Michigan the Dr's are sending people to the hospital for any breathing issue. The hospital is taking them for the $$$$$.

Head colds will get you time off.

a reply to: network dude

I definitely wish we had more research on natural immunity alone, and in combination with the vaccine.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: timewarpedbrain7
Going to be some big HIPPA lawsuits in the coming months and years.

You don't know how HIPAA works. You don't even know what it stands for.

Your job absolutely can know if you're vaccinated or not, and they absolutely can ask for proof if it's for their policy.

I deal with HIPPA laws at my job, maybe I should have been a bit more clear. There are tons of people handling medical information that have never had to nor know how to properly secure the info. One can imagine that there are going to be files left out in the open for anyone to view, names with MDEICAL CONDITONS written down and left out for anyone to view, and etc.

Those are in violation of HIPPA laws

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act

3 HIPPA RULES

1.) THE PRIVACY RULE (The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information)
2.) THE SECURITY RULE
3.) THE BREACH NOTIFICATION RULE