UAPs Aren’t Russian or Chinese — and the Pentagon knows it

There was an interesting article published this week that claims that the government has been tracking UAP's since the 90's and knows they come from deep space. The satellites used to detect this point towards earth, so they do not have any visibility into where they come from except from behind the satellite.

UAPs aren't russian or chinese

Apparently, the source of this information is the Podesta email dump that wikileaks has. The data has been sitting in plain sight waiting for someone to connect the dots. Some interesting excerpts:

...they’d just picked up a Fastwalker (I assumed that same day). He described how it entered our atmosphere from “deep space” (origin actually unknown, of course, but from the backside of the satellite) and zipped by the DSP satellite pretty closely on its way to earth. Not only was it going very fast but it made a 30 degree course correction (turn) which means it did not have a ballistic (free fall) reentry trajectory that a meteorite might have.

Vallee has this to say:
The satellites of VELA-10 type have repeatedly caught what experts call “FastWalkers,” erratic sources of energy. These may represent previously unknown electrical phenomena, or perhaps UFOs. My clearance is still active, so I could see the images if the need arises

He said there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was the UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claimed there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa.

I haven't seen this article mentioned here, but it adds a new twist to the 7 page UFO report that says that it could be Russian or Chinese tech - when in fact they have more evidence than the report lets on about. I also am not sure how this plays into the "it's a threat" narrative if they have been watching these things for 30+ years.

Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

a reply to: inert

The problem is-when did the government ever give a straight answer on UFOs?
Never.
Just because they say it "not the russians of chinese" doesn't make that the truth.
Same way if they say "its not aliens"

They wouldn't tell us if it was aliens,or any earth based adversary,purely for national security reasons.
As far as I can tell,the government are using the same line they have since Roswell..

"its not us,its not the bad guys,and we don't know what it is."


As we all know too well by now,governments are a55h0les and if aliens were here,the government woud try to hide that from everyone because if they admitted it,people would realise the government is not fully in control,and is not the most powerful entity we should be concerned about.

and A55h0les hate to feel that way,same as bullies.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Why? What's your reasoning?

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Why? What's your reasoning?

The international space shuttle in space would have been destroyed by any aliens. Sorry but I don't read sci - fi comics .

originally posted by: musicismagic
The international space shuttle in space would have been destroyed by any aliens. Sorry but I don't read sci - fi comics .

Why would aliens destroy the International Space Station?

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Why? What's your reasoning?

The international space shuttle in space would have been destroyed by any aliens. Sorry but I don't read sci - fi comics .

Thats quite the stretch , you don't go chasing all the anthills or go after all the pest and vermin right ?

Only the ones that bother you.

This might better explain the Navy UAP/UFO clips. If there is a grain of truth to this, then this technology is way above top secret...but likely 'leaked' to let China and Russia know we got some new toys.

What Is Behind The U.S. Navy’s ‘UFO’ Fusion Energy Patent?

When Dr. Salvatore Cezar Pais, an aerospace engineer at the Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division (NAWCAD), filed a patent for a “Plasma Compression Fusion Device” in 2019, it was either a giant breakthrough – or mad science...
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Dr. Pais’ “inertial mass reduction device” is one of his most extraordinary patents. This technology suggests manipulation of quantum field fluctuations which could reduce a vehicle’s inertial and gravitational mass, allowing it to travel at hitherto unseen speeds. The reason the speed of light is something of a universal speed limit is that mass increases to infinite as one reaches it, demanding infinite energy to continue moving. The ability to reduce mass could have incredible implications for the future of space travel. Only faster than light speeds of travel would allow the humanity to venture outside of the solar system......

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Why? What's your reasoning?

The international space shuttle in space would have been destroyed by any aliens. Sorry but I don't read sci - fi comics .

Why would they care about that if they are maybe 10.000 years ahead of us in technology?

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Thanks for your service, but you have no proof of that assumption, and you know it.

Why doesn't anyone use the "In my opinion" anymore? Do people who don't know really think that they are in full knowledge of these events?

It doesn't hurt, and (IMO) makes peoples posts/threads seem more credible.

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Why? What's your reasoning?

The international space shuttle in space would have been destroyed by any aliens. Sorry but I don't read sci - fi comics .

Its not likely a super intelligent advanced civilization which has survived self destruction and everything else human civilization has done, comes light years to study a bunch of apes, and thinks the first best thing to do would be to destroy its only space based hamster cage

its unlikely a major threat to them

According to this page, the VELA series of satellites (All launched in a 1960s and 1970s) were last active in 1984.

Advanced VELA Series

So any data collected by them, would presumably be pretty old from the 1980s at the latest. So if someone saying they got data from them in the 1990s or later, either that is bunk, or from some other satellite system.

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originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Why? What's your reasoning?

The international space shuttle in space would have been destroyed by any aliens. Sorry but I don't read sci - fi comics .

Ruskies had there own shuttle so you referring to ISS? Ok you can theorise all you want............... But

On a personal basis I've experienced plenty of UFO activity and there is no doubt in my mind that they aren't ours. Plus they vary so much. Maybe time slips can explain the inmcredibly varied technology we see yet it's probably over our heads in terms of understandimng.

Also experienced military drones defending the coasts of one of our ME allies. I mean they are really good and come from a state at the heart of conflict. Class leaders in much defencve tech. But they in no way come close to what I've seen in the skies. I'd class them as positively medeival compared to the stuff the UFOs can do.

Then we get to the OP, for sure the Pentagon must know deep down that UFOs aren't Ruskie or Chinese. These two nations while technolgically and industrially are super advanced don't appear to be able to manufacture reasonably reliable 5th gen aircraft engines. Yet there is this idea that the totally amazing things seen in our skies worldwide since the beginning of recorded time and more specifically since the nuclear dawn are theirs. Oh come on don't make me laugh

i suggest everyone reads the book about the ufo phenomena on skinwalker ranch.
it's as close as you can get to ufo incidents as they got researched by scientists.
never thought i would say this but they are more like demons than anything else.

So if someone saying they got data from them in the 1990s or later, either that is bunk, or from some other satellite system.

a reply to: EnhancedInterrogator

Jacques Vallee was writing his memoirs in the 90's. I guess the quote didn't have a time reference. Please read the article everyone. It is very well written with attributions so that you can look up the references.

originally posted by: anticitizen
i suggest everyone reads the book about the ufo phenomena on skinwalker ranch.
it's as close as you can get to ufo incidents as they got researched by scientists.
never thought i would say this but they are more like demons than anything else.

Demons? Get a grip. No such thing. Demons are a product of humanities carefully cultivated fears. They’re not real. UAP’s are real, but likely not from deep or interstellar space.

I'm not saying it's UFOs but it's UAPs

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: anticitizen
i suggest everyone reads the book about the ufo phenomena on skinwalker ranch.
it's as close as you can get to ufo incidents as they got researched by scientists.
never thought i would say this but they are more like demons than anything else.

Demons? Get a grip. No such thing. Demons are a product of humanities carefully cultivated fears. They’re not real. UAP’s are real, but likely not from deep or interstellar space.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss...

originally posted by: musicismagic
Sorry to say, there are no and I mean NO alien spacecraft from outer space. USAF Veteran here.

Glad to hear it from the end all be all world renowned expert. We will now dismiss all the ground radar recordings, aircraft radar recordings, visual recordings, pilot military and otherwise any other trained observer witnesses testimony, civilian witnesses testimony, trace evidence, civilian data and military data. We will also ignore any future observations or interactions.

Thanks!

a reply to: inert

National Chief Investigator for MUFON here. Thank you for posting this.
I honestly never paid any attention to the Podesta emails after hearing Tom DeLonge was mentioned in them.

I always figured him as a hobbyist that had a Gov connection an that he was then used as a disinformation agent.
But that’s not here nor there.
I’m gonna take try to find and take a look at the emails now and see what else may be in there.