Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

And the question still stands why would Russia want Trump in office , isn't cuddly Biden so much easier to deal with ?

Yes.
I can just see Biden launching a response to a nuclear attack by another country.
"Now where is that button? Oh, there's one.... on my shirt. Ice cream, oh yeah... chocolate chocolate chip!"

Speaking of...... the final series of 24 featured a POTUS bordering on Dementia who had to deal with potential war with China, but still his faculties were far better than Baiden..... freaky how the Hollywood set could see that far into the future.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

Source

Before I say anything else allow me to say that this should be taken with a grain of salt. The provenance of these documents is not 100%. However, experts have stated that the documents fit the style and time of legitimate Kremlin documents.

If proven true, it certainly supports many of the claims made over the past 5 years. It would mean that Russia actively attempted to overthrow our democratic process in an attempt to install someone they thought they could control and use to destabilize the US.

Of course, this does not necessarily mean that Trump was complicit in the Kremlin's actions. They could have been operating without his knowledge. However, the fact that the report mentions compromising material on Trump could mean that Trump was a puppet of the Kremlin once he took office.

Obviously the Kremlin is denying the legitimacy of the document. If they admitted to the contents it would cause a major international incident that would possibly see Russia's economy crippled by sanctions.

As I said straight off the bat, these documents are not 100% verified so the legitimacy of any of their contents are questionable. If proven to be legitimate, it would certainly be a major blow to Trump's legacy and his chances in 2024. Which may be the point of they are fabricated.

Lmao.

Riiiiiiight.

I forget... Which party is pushing socialism?

So Putin wanted to put a capitalist in power?

Russia succeeded. The US hasn't been this divided in a long long time.

All busy blaming each other. Doing as instructed and led.

Russia played it very very well.

Op's mother sews socks that smell.

It seems the most logical, to people that have forgotten what logic is.
a reply to: Havamal

originally posted by: scottobereal
Op's mother sews socks that smell.

Repossessed!

a reply to: Xcalibur254

S+F!

It’s been my humble opinion that trump was putins bitch since long before he became POTUS due an inexplicable cash rescue from an unknown source many years ago. The very convenient hacks on Clinton which secured Trump’s win IMO just confirmed what I already suspected.

Was there ever clarity and proof as to where Trump found the cash to dig himself out of the bankruptcy which building that casino placed him in.

I watched a U.K. network documentary about trump’s rise, fall and rise some years back which painted a picture of this casino build swallowing all his cash before he could finish building it. He was screwed, yet (and the doc was clear about this) he found the funds to dig himself out of this hole, yet no one knew exactly where he got them.

If this is true and there’s still opaqueness surrounding the source of these last minute miracle funds, then with hindsight isn’t that a smoking gun?

Before his presidential run one might of hazarded a guess that these unnamed investors were most likely shady businesspeople of some description, possibly even the mob. But with hindsight it all fits together too well…

…A path to presidency helped in no small way by what was most likely Russian hackers and social engineering by a foreign power (a putin speciality). Plus (to a lessor extent) Trump’s odd refusal to say anything damning about Putin, despite having no qualms about playground cussing anyone else he was asked about.

Putting these pieces together, surely occum’s razor dictates that it was Putin who did indeed rescue trump from bankruptcy in return for making him a Putin-puppet-potus?

Perhaps it was even Putin’s machinations that helped to cause Trumps financial disaster with that casino (not that trump needed much help), to gain leverage over a presidential possibility that he and his FSB team had already targeted for manipulation (I’m sure Trump wasn’t the only target for this and even now potential potus will be in their sights; just as potential usurpers of US enemies have long gotten the same attention from the CIA.

To keep an open mind… I’m surprised there’s a leak from putins inner circle, which is the one factor that makes me pause for thought. It’s entirely possible this leak could be a fabrication of Putin’s; intentionally leaked to cause that much more neurosis in US society? However, that wouldn’t mean that trump wasn’t his bitch - it could simply be Putin squeezing every last bit of damage out of the whole operation, now that Trump’s usefulness is waning.

Like I said, unless there’s proof of a legitimate source of the funds that rescued Trump all those years back - a source that can’t possibly be linked to Putin - then that inexplicable rise from the ashes has IMO always been the smoking gun that says trump was always Putin’s creature.

………….

That’s the how! What about the why?

I think Putin’s generally perceived motives for this flatters the US. There’s IMO a bigger picture in which The US are not the principle target, but are instead being used as a tool to inflict damage.

Sure he enjoys chaos and instability in the US, but putins biggest problem is right there in his back yard. The rising global influence of China. It was bad enough for Russia when the power struggle was between them and the US, but now and into the future the power struggle is between China and the US. Russia aren’t even in the fight, meaning their negotiating power - their influence - is vastly diminished.

Worst still is the prospect of the US and China working peacefully together with aligning policies; then Russia really are of no consequence.

Putins aim with Trump would surely be to cause disharmony between the US and China - to stop them potentially aligning against Russia. Russia has more influence and room to operate in a world in which the US and China are at loggerheads; divide and conquer.

Causing disharmony and acrimony with China is exactly what Trump did as president. Mission accomplished!?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Hope you feel safer.

Why wouldn't I? It's just gibberish.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Hope you feel safer.

Why wouldn't I? It's just gibberish.

Yes, the rushia crap is gibberish, gulped up by the bamn people.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Ok? That's nice. Have a talk with them then.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: shooterbrody

Ok? That's nice. Have a talk with them then.

I am actually.
Ha!

originally posted by: shooterbrody
I am actually.

Good for you, then you can stop posting gibberish to me.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: shooterbrody
I am actually.

Good for you, then you can stop posting gibberish to me.

No
I will continue to do as I choose, your continued anti freedom requests do expose your bs tho.
Those who actually endorse freedom do not seek to stop it.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
...your continued anti freedom requests do expose your bs tho.

Me asking what the alleged kompromat happens to be is 'anti-freedom'?

Do you even know what you replied to at this point with all the nonsensical posts you made?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No, imo at least, for the little that’s worth, asking questions isn’t anti-freedom. Quite the opposite.

Re the komoromat… forgive me for not reading this whole thread and jumping in here…. Is there a solid reason for not entertaining the idea that the kompromat could be Putin secretly being Trump’s saviour years back when the casino build bankrupted him.

According to a doc I watched the source of trump’s miraculous bailout funds was unknown - he simply somehow found the cash to keep Tump Inc. ticking over. This is from memory, which is why I’m asking, not stating…

If so, then could the price of this bailout be that Trump would be in Putin’s service when called upon; the leverage for this being a recording of this agreement.

…Note: said recording done in a way that allows Putin to deny knowledge of this and blame other actors if it ever needed to be made public.

a reply to: McGinty

As you just pointed, it could be anything, I want to know what it is.

But some people think asking that question is anti-freedom, mostly because they are highly reactionary and don't really understand freedom.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

then you can stop

Don't tell me what to do.
Ever.

And yes
For the record
Twits in ugly hats and pig faced peppermint pattys.
That much has not been in doubt, and is more true today than ever.

a reply to: shooterbrody

More gibberish.

Some of us want to know what the alleged kompromat happens to be, others think asking that is anti-freedom.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
I posted it
Hilarious that you of all people feign ignorance of such.
Delightful actually!
What a day!
Thanks, again, for that, it is priceless.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
I posted it

You didn't, because it hasn't been revealed.