The Vaccine Kills you? The Vaccine This, The Vaccine That, it doesnt matter

a reply to: nonspecific

The only way they could implement such a plan is to create a two class system of vaccinated and not. To engineer our psychology in such a way to differentiate and define people by these characteristics. I say don't give them the option and keep our sovereign right to make our own decisions about healthcare without interference from multi-national corporations driven by profit.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You feel you're getting truthful and accurate information.
I'm sceptical.

I’m sure that’s the reason for the blanket indemnity so graciously bestowed on the manufacturers.

a reply to: nonspecific

Nothing new here, been saying this for ages it feels like. Virus isn't deadlier than the common cold, f--k the narrative.

Later.

a reply to: sprockets2000

The disease killed 1/2 a million in the USA in less than a year. Even if 50% of the deaths were misattributed, that would still be a significant number of deaths, and warrant serious concern.

So far, 3.4 billion people have taken COVID-19 vaccines, worldwide. There have been very few adverse reactions, compared to the numbers who are vaccinated, and now they are beginning to report that the only people to die from COVID-19 in the last couple of months (in multiple countries) are all unvaccinated.

On a personal level, I and my wife have been fully vaccinated. No adverse reaction at all. I have no fears of the vaccines because I know the science, and contents, and the testing procedures undertaken, of the vaccines, and they are significantly safe.

The longer you speak out against the vaccines that have now got such evidence of their safety, a pool of evidence which is growing daily, the more you look like a kook.

a reply to: chr0naut

If the FDA listens to us, they won’t give serious consideration to approving a covid-19 vaccine until 2022. Our first request is that the FDA require manufacturers to submit data from completed Phase III trials—not interim results. Trials by vaccine manufacturers were designed to follow participants for two years, and should be completed before they are evaluated for full approval, even if they are now unblinded and lack placebo groups. These Phase III trials are not simply efficacy studies; they also are necessary and important safety studies (as the study titles say), and all collected data remain invaluable.

blogs.bmj.com...
(Bolding mine).

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You feel you're getting truthful and accurate information.
I'm sceptical.

I love how people keep telling me what I feel. I actually think the number of covid deaths should be reduced 25-50%. It doesn't matter, the data still shows the vaccine is extremely effective at reducing illness and death, and while it carries some risks, it is far less risky than covid. In fact pretty much all the side effects that are dangerous are those that covid is known to also cause, only covid causes them much more often.

Here in the UK the death toll is stated to be around 130000 I think. A lot of folks use this as a way of saying the actions taken are not justified but the question I ask is what would that number be if no measures had been taken at all?

If like many claim it's no worse than the flu and we had no lockdowns, social distancing, masks and vaccines what would that number now be?

As you say the longer this goes on the closer we get to the point when people will have no option but to concede they were mistaken or mislead.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: sprockets2000

The disease killed 1/2 a million in the USA in less than a year. Even if 50% of the deaths were misattributed, that would still be a significant number of deaths, and warrant serious concern.

So far, 3.4 billion people have taken COVID-19 vaccines, worldwide. There have been very few adverse reactions, compared to the numbers who are vaccinated, and now they are beginning to report that the only people to die from COVID-19 in the last couple of months (in multiple countries) are all unvaccinated.

On a personal level, I and my wife have been fully vaccinated. No adverse reaction at all. I have no fears of the vaccines because I know the science, and contents, and the testing procedures undertaken, of the vaccines, and they are significantly safe.

The longer you speak out against the vaccines that have now got such evidence of their safety, a pool of evidence which is growing daily, the more you look like a kook.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Here in the UK the death toll is stated to be around 130000 I think. A lot of folks use this as a way of saying the actions taken are not justified but the question I ask is what would that number be if no measures had been taken at all?

If like many claim it's no worse than the flu and we had no lockdowns, social distancing, masks and vaccines what would that number now be?

As you say the longer this goes on the closer we get to the point when people will have no option but to concede they were mistaken or mislead.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: sprockets2000

The disease killed 1/2 a million in the USA in less than a year. Even if 50% of the deaths were misattributed, that would still be a significant number of deaths, and warrant serious concern.

So far, 3.4 billion people have taken COVID-19 vaccines, worldwide. There have been very few adverse reactions, compared to the numbers who are vaccinated, and now they are beginning to report that the only people to die from COVID-19 in the last couple of months (in multiple countries) are all unvaccinated.

On a personal level, I and my wife have been fully vaccinated. No adverse reaction at all. I have no fears of the vaccines because I know the science, and contents, and the testing procedures undertaken, of the vaccines, and they are significantly safe.

The longer you speak out against the vaccines that have now got such evidence of their safety, a pool of evidence which is growing daily, the more you look like a kook.

You can take precautions without lockdowns. Severe lockdowns have not been shown to have a significant impact on covid infections, only on the economy.

Yeah we've learned lessons but I was talking about the effort as a whole.

If we had just agreed it was no more than the flu and carried on with no restrictions, full international travel etc would the global mortality rate and mutation status be something even the skeptical would be concerned about?




a reply to: OccamsRazor04

a reply to: nonspecific
The fact is; it is impossible to know.

Nope. Wouldn’t have had any appreciable effect on society. The Epsteen island visitor log coming to light unimpeded would have had a devastating effect on some high profile people and upset high society however.

a reply to: nonspecific

It's impossible to know but would you say it would be significantly higher on a global scale?

If we had done nothing would the people be outraged that nothing was done?

In your opinion of course.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: nonspecific
The fact is; it is impossible to know.

What possible connection dies Epstein have to my question?

originally posted by: Dalamax
Nope. Wouldn’t have had any appreciable effect on society. The Epsteen island visitor log coming to light unimpeded would have had a devastating effect on some high profile people and upset high society however.

a reply to: nonspecific

a reply to: nonspecific
I don't know.

So would you say the course of action taken was correct given you could not confidently say what would have happened if no action had been taken then?


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originally posted by: post=25975944]Itisnowagain[/post]
a reply to: nonspecific
I don't know.

a reply to: nonspecific
No.
Actions taken like for instance.....putting covid patients in care homes most likely increased the death score.

Ok let me rephrase the question.

Would you say that the overall effort was better than doing nothing at all even if we factor in the obvious mistakes that were made.

The situation was pretty much unprecedented, it was never going to be without major flaws was it.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: nonspecific
No.
Actions taken like...putting covid patients in care homes.

a reply to: nonspecific
No one will ever know what may have happened if nothing was done.

a reply to: nonspecific
Nope!
They should have just let the 'virus' rip.

#1 there is emerging evidence that the 'virus' might be as a result of gain of function experimenting. Hell, we knew from last year the virus DNA (not the isolation of the virus, different thing) contains some sort of HIV particulate.
#2. You can argue with me until you are blue in the face about the death figures and how flu disappeared because 'everyone was indoors' and yadda yadda, but there is plenty of OFFICIAL, via FOI that death rates in UK were actually less than in some of the previous 5 years. No, it wasn't because nobody was dying of flu!
#3 The mere fact that millions were spent on Nightingale hospitals to alleviate the pressure on NHS.....approximately 200 were admitted into the London one, until it came to light they didn't have the extra medical staff to man them, let alone the resulting hospitalisations did NOT put extra stress on the NHS....but to the detriment of at least 5 million people who are awaiting treatment and Sajid Javid says we can expect that to rise to 10 million...10 MILLION from a 67 million population!!! FFS!!! You do know his background don't you?
#4 Want to start on the adverse reactions? Totally unprecedented (to use your words) variations of reactions and deaths to any vaccine EVER! More so than the combined total of all other vaccines added up. Do your own homework on that research.
#5 Any 'medicine' (which is what this vaccine, not vaccine is) will have all CONTRAINDICATIONS listed to who should not have a 'medicine'. They don't have any because there is zilch data on long term effects of these vaccines. Here's one that has just been added to help you out.....
EMA advises against use of vaccines in those with pre-existing CLS
So from that document it is just 6 cases EMA have looked into. 3 people had the pre-existing condition, one died. The other 3 had NO pre-existing CLS and now they do. A life threatening condition. So NOW they are adding it as a contraindication! This should have all been done BEFORE vaccine rollout. Hell, we, nor they know if the constituents of the jab have any contraindications to any meds people are already on! But just 6 people warrant the EMA to say the vaccine should not be given to people with CSL, but what about the other 50% who developed it after vaccination?. What about all the other adverse reactions which are much higher, let alone the 5,000 odd deaths as a DIRECT RESULT of the vaccine in EU alone? Totally unnecessary deaths.

We should stop saying this so called 'vaccine' is issued under 'emergency use' because apparently there is no treatment for a more virulent version of the common cold which is exactly what SARS-cOV-2 is. It is a UN-LICENCED MEDICINE which is going horribly wrong. I repeat, it is an UN-LICENSED MEDICINE! Personally I wouldn't touch ANYTHING which has not been licensed with a barge pole.

Hell's Bells! We've had flu jabs since 1930's, again not a vaccine, a 'medicine' and they STILL can't come up with a total eradication and yet people seem to think this C19 jab is going to be some sort of 'miracle cure' so we can get back to 'normality'????

So much more.....but rant over