Hard Work Doesn't Pay Off

a reply to: ketsuko

Hehe...
Was an EMT right out of high school. $4.50 an hour, the cleaning staff was making 8.00 an hour.
A year later i got my paramedics, big increase in pay as was now making $7.00 an hour with extra paper work. Became a flight medic little bit later at the same pay.

I wasn't in an area where I could see an increase in pay.

So it's off to the Fire Academy.... now we're talking, $15.00 an hour working 24 on and 24 off with one 12 hour shift then off for 2 day's.

We worked events and I was able to keep my paramedic.

Then the move to Pittsburgh. Airport Fire by now. It would be 2 years till saw much better pay and also maintained my paramedics. After awhile after I became FF3 ARFF instructor. And then an RN PHRN for becoming a flight nurse, which required some time as a critical care nurse. Money was much better. The health insurance was very satisfactory.


Many many years of hard work..

You have to start somewhere.

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We start even green workers off at 22.50 an hour and up to 30.00 if you show initiative and get some skills. We're not having any trouble filling positions.

Union proud, Union Strong.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MykeNukem
Y'all just do me a favor and don't get cancer. I know I don't know real names for the most part, but I'd hate to think I'd seen anyone's name come across my desk. It's bad enough that I saw a high school teacher come across.

Nothing to worry about.

Here in Canada we have the best cancer centers.

They get to you within a few years at most.

a reply to: ketsuko

one can just go into a job and earn their way up the ladder

Right. Because that's how companies work. You got maybe 5 worker bees and 5 000 CEOs - everybody knows that.

...the company I've worked for since 2008...today, I was offered my first promotion.

Wow what a fairy tale! Just 13 years, that's so amazing. Why can't everybody do that? I mean sure some people don't have husbands who pay for everything, you gotta decide if you want food or a roof, but if you raise the minimum wage you just know those suckers would immediately spend it in local businesses and for services... who would want a strong domestic market?
Just those evil liberals amIright?

If hard work didn't pay off I'd still be poor in a barrio dodging bullets.

The people who say otherwise also think wealth is finite. It is the surest method of uncovering economic illiteracy. This, in turn, is the surest way of gauging the negative impacts of government education policy.

a reply to: Peeple
"If you just raise minimum wage" then the cost of everything else goes up as well.. don't be stupid..

When people were spending a 5c on a Candy bar 3x as big their mortgage a month was 50$, rent was 75-100$.. electric was 10-15... college was about a grand for a full degree..

Then wage increase(mixed with women's right to work, etc.).. look what happened.. now..


Rent is 2-3k for anything nice. Electricity is 1-300$ etc..

yes demand more minimum wage increases.that 10$ each gallon milk, bread and slice of cheese will do wonders for the economy(sarcasm).

It doesn't matter how much you get when minimum wage increases because everything else will scale with it to compensate the raise in wage..

The truth is all it does is hurt the generation that retired before you.. a lot of them retired on 16-20$/hr after 40+years of work.. and I will tell you this.. retirement pensions don't scale with inflation or minimum wage increases. So those people who worked paycheck to paycheck just like *you* now become as wealthy as a fresh teenager's first job. Not to mention more then 80% don't have Roth, or any other form of investment due to the great depression.. so most of them never bothered educating their kids on investing- because it destroyed lives when people lost everything. (This is the reason why there is been so much news on the stock market... Because people finally learned how to after generations of being afraid to get involved.)


So where does it end? It doesn't, the higher the minimum wage the poor the retired folks lose their income. But I gotta ask you, how are you going to feel when you retire at 50$/hr minimum wage grows to match it. Making YOU barely able to get by? When all of the freshmen's in highschool get starting jobs at 50/hr.

All it will do is force you into poverty and wipe out your entire retirement just to buy the 25$/roll of toilet paper that scaled with those payments of increased minimum wage.

Minimum wage goes up, so does inflation. There is no compensation, it is impossible for everyone in the world to be equal pay without a spiraling inflation that zeros out any actual gain.
Economics 101.. so realistically, outside of GLOBAL minimum wage. There isn't anything else that can actually be done without harming the entire population as a whole.

yep here we pay up to 36 bucks for a watermelon

a reply to: BlackArrow

...because there's no inflation without increase in wages. lol sure sure

originally posted by: olaru12
We start even green workers off at 22.50 an hour and up to 30.00 if you show initiative and get some skills. We're not having any trouble filling positions.

Union proud, Union Strong.

What to you pay someone with 25 years experience, and industry certs?

a reply to: ketsuko

I had been employed for a few years and out of the blue another company contacted me, I wasn't looking but they made a pretty compelling case for why I would want to work there. Been there just over a month and they're still hiring like crazy at principal and director level roles.

We have problems with staffing however due to the lack of qualified applicants overall, so now they're just going to other companies and offering just stupid amounts of compensation, benefits, and titles. It's the perfect time to start looking even if you have something already.

In Japan no one wants to work that is of young age, they want to live of their grandparents money they gave they for 15 years.
Now this isn't always true, but the youth here with only a high school education is doomed too low wages.

a reply to: ketsuko

Best job ever was six months in this area where i just showed new houses for visitors/potential buyers. 36 bucks an hour 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. The fridge was always filled with food,snacks and energy drinks. Was quite boring, but did not mind because the pay was so good.

originally posted by: XipeTotex
a reply to: ketsuko

Best job ever was six months in this area where i just showed new houses for visitors/potential buyers. 36 bucks an hour 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. The fridge was always filled with food,snacks and energy drinks. Was quite boring, but did not mind because the pay was so good.

As being a real estate broker in California, you did well. Now if I was back in America, I'd be hitting the areas that are selling well.

Education and diversification are the strategies I'm playing.
I'm hanging in there.
Be smarter than the competition.
Don't be afraid to get your hands dirty.
Be good.

Ideally we should all be doing jobs that we love, but we know an ideal world is fantasy atm.
Really with any free time we should be studying/learning about the job we'd really love to do, spend a couple years studying, doing voluntary work in that sector (all whilst doing you're off work or still in a crappy job).

Think of what you'd love to do and start working towards it today. Most of the time you have to create your own opportunities if you want to escape the rat race.

OP is right, whining on couch achieves nothing.

"Hard work doesn't pay off".

As I've gotten older, my doctor has told me to work smarter, not harder. Of course he was talking about physical stress on my body, not about some on the job work ethic, but it applies here.

Define hard work. Is it stressful physical work, mental work, a combination of both, or, is it just a value placed on your time regardless what you do?

If this is more about the value of time, then it's about a person's worth. If this is true, then a highly skilled, productive and hard working minimum wage worker has less worth than a salaried executive that does very little real work. I personally don't believe that last bit, but it seems the way of the world.

Define "payoff". Is that payoff in the form of cash, personal wealth, job perks, social standing, all the above?

Smart work would be to set up a deal where someone else gets their hands dirty while you get the lion's share of the money. This influx of illegals heading up here could be the ticket for supervising some contract work. I'd call that smart work vs hard work.

a reply to: Peeple

Ah, you missed the part where I've been part-time on purpose for almost all of that time period.

The first promotion bit was after going full-time intentionally. What? Do you think staying at part-time opens doors to full-time work promotions? It doesn't, and I knew that, but at the same time, I also was open to moving to any and every overflow position while I was part-time because I knew I was getting my face and reputation around inside the company and making connections.

When the time came for me to start looking for full-time with intent ... COVID.

But, unlike most women, I knew that it was more important for me to be in a support role for my son and at home for him as much as possible until he was older.

And I'm not complaining about not making as much as my male counterparts who have been working full-time all this time. I haven't been doing their work until now. Why should I have as much?

a reply to: ketsuko

I didn't miss it, I emphasized it. Because you're not a new employee for the company.
I don't even know why the rest of your rambling is adressed at me?
It doesn't change the fact that your personal story doesn't apply to everybody else.

a reply to: ketsuko

What you have written here is so true! Keep on; keepin on. You've expressed some of what is really going on. I am glad for you.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: olaru12
We start even green workers off at 22.50 an hour and up to 30.00 if you show initiative and get some skills. We're not having any trouble filling positions.

Union proud, Union Strong.

What to you pay someone with 25 years experience, and industry certs?

Sky's the limit....

Time to move above the line and work on a project by project basis; with a separate contract for each one.

Or get an Ltd. corp. and become an independent contractor consultant and write your own ticket!

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