UK Official Covid Vaccine Report More Vaxxed Dying of Delta Than Unvaxxed

a reply to: IAMTAT


What's interesting is I've had every approved vaccine available, however when they toss out almost a hundred years of protocol, ignore issues from years of failures, and then try to push a EUA vaccine, on the entire world, I'll take the slow pragmatic approach road for the win.

Fear, peer pressure, ego's do strange things to people, I just hope in this case that the antidote that so many cling to doesn't cause serious future auto-immune issues, or worse. Evolution didn't get us to this point without a solid working immune system.

Time will tell.

a reply to: Realtruth

You have a better chance of dying in your sleep than you do with any of these covid-19 variants killing you.

originally posted by: glen200376
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Never mind the fact that they no longer record the vaccinated testing positive unless they end up in hospital.
Anyone would think that they are trying to make the vaccine look more successful than it really is.
Why move the goalposts halfway through counting?

How about the vaxxed aren't even being tested while they hacking up a lung, fatigued and getting easily winded. No. No test for the vax people. They are protected. My source is my sick, jabbed employer.

originally posted by: summer5

How about the vaxxed aren't even being tested while they hacking up a lung, fatigued and getting easily winded. No. No test for the vax people. They are protected. My source is my sick, jabbed employer.

Has he been tested for anything, or you just assuming its the vaccine?

originally posted by: carewemust

You have a better chance of dying in your sleep than you do with any of these covid-19 variants killing you.

Yesterday, I met a young nurse (in her twenties, I guess). She caught Covid last year and spent weeks on a ventilator. Another young nurse being treated in the same ward at the time, sadly, died.

Even if I was prepared to ignore the huge global death toll and suffering, particularly in countries with inadequate medical facilities, such personal encounters are impossible to shrug off as exaggeration.

originally posted by: Realtruth

What's interesting is I've had every approved vaccine available, however when they toss out almost a hundred years of protocol, ignore issues from years of failures, and then try to push a EUA vaccine, on the entire world, I'll take the slow pragmatic approach road for the win.

Can you explain what they omitted as they did all the clinical Phases as any other drug goes through? I keep hearing this but I fail to see what else they were suppose to do. BTW drugs making to the market before full approval is not rare.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

Yesterday, I met a young nurse (in her twenties, I guess). She caught Covid last year and spent weeks on a ventilator. Another young nurse being treated in the same ward at the time, sadly, died.

Even if I was prepared to ignore the huge global death toll and suffering, particularly in countries with inadequate medical facilities, such personal encounters are impossible to shrug off as exaggeration.

When COVID is bad it is really bad, thankfully for the vast majority its not much of anything.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

"Vaccine" makers see everyone using their product as a test subject.

Well we are...The last phase (4) is post market CDC monitoring and that is where that long list of adverse affects you see scrolling at the end of every drug commercial comes from after the drug is on the market for the masses.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: summer5

How about the vaxxed aren't even being tested while they hacking up a lung, fatigued and getting easily winded. No. No test for the vax people. They are protected. My source is my sick, jabbed employer.

Has he been tested for anything, or you just assuming its the vaccine?

I never implied I assumed it was the vaccine. "COVID" has been going around to the vax and unvax the past couple of months. Two of my daughters, not jabbed, had it in the past 6 weeks. They were pretty sick. Both took several tests that came out negative even though they had all the symptoms. One daughter took a3rd test because she was getting married and was afraid of getting grandma sick. Her third test finally came out positive.

My employer is sick just like my daughters. She has that distinct, painful covid cough, winded, lethargy. Yet she's not being tested by her Dr because she is "protected". Doc told her he believes she has an upper respiratory infection. She was given Zpack, just like my diagnosed covid daughter. My point is she was not even tested. I believe I was originally responding to a comment made regarding only those hospitalized with the jab are being "counted". Those with the jab appear to be excluded from even getting tested, at least by my employers Dr. How many other Drs aren't testing their sick jabbed patients?

You can't trust ANY numbers or studies when the numbers haven't been recorded accurately from the start. It's all BS

originally posted by: summer5

You can't trust ANY numbers or studies when the numbers haven't been recorded accurately from the start. It's all BS

IDK I had surgery and done other things to be tested 3 different times while having both shots since March. So who knows. Where I live they don't even ask if you have the vaccine.

Did he lose his sense of smell... That is a big indicator of COVID. My son caught COVID in college about 10,000 of them had COVID parties to get it over with and they spread it like wild fire for 2 weeks. In just about every case it was 1 day of small fever, 2 days not feeling real good, then 4 days of zero smell. They all got that and thought it was the weirdest thing not to be able to smell. By day 5 all was good...

a reply to: Brotherman

Hey would you read this and let me know your thoughts

We are in an information war. In the years post 9/11 the rules for journalists where changed where they no longer have any legal liability to report the facts. In a court they are considered as entertainment.

There is a big campaign going on to get as many people vaccinated as possible. I do hold the opinion that this is to get as many people locked in before the long term effects of the vaccination surface. I could be wrong?

When it comes to the issue of variants, there where many different ones from the BLAST data at the start of this pandemic, now there have been 10000's of different ones identified:

nextstrain.org/ncov/global

With all this hype around the Delta variant, I so far read it as the change to the virus due to the vaccination program. India is just a soft target to blame as the media fear and hate program continues.

Personally, I am taking Ivermectin once a week and waiting until these trails are complete to be able to provide informed consent on this matter.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Depends on how you measure it’s effectiveness. If the goal is to damage immune response and prep for future health problems then it’s doing a damn good job.

a reply to: EvilAxis

So your analysis is based on a 3rd hand anecdote?

a reply to: Realtruth

Excellent and important thread. A theoretical explanation for the higher rate of deaths in injected people compared to uninjected has been provided by several specialists in the field. After injection, the body's natural "broad response" immune system is suppressed and recoded to present a specific immune response, trained to identify the original wild virus. As the virus mutates, these recoded immune systems no longer recognize the new virus, and the consequences are obvious, whereas non-injected individuals' immune systems are able to recognize the mutated virus. It is possible that the double dosed people who died from the Delta strain may actually have survived had their natural immune systems not been suppressed by the injection.

So far, the British data shows 117 deaths from Delta. Considering we are told that having one dose helps in some measure, then we must count those who had one dose and two doses (69). There were 44 deaths of people not injected, making a total of 113. 1 death was inside 21 days after 1 shot, and 3 were not linked. In other words, of the groups of people single/double dosed over 21 days or no doses at all, 61% of deaths were people who had the gene therapy and 39% were people whose bodies could offer a natural immunity.

Like I say, we need more data, but this could be the greatest scandal in all human history, bar none.

a reply to: Grenade

Yes scientists are confused about how it is doing long-term damage to the immune system. It has some very strange symptoms and seems to pick and choose. For example, men are more likely to get severe symptoms. Race seems to play a factor as well that's why it hits the black community much harder. What we still don’t know, however, is what tips one COVID-19 victim toward ARDS but not another. Patients were not only slower to develop the syndrome but also slower to recover, in some cases spending weeks on a ventilator. Often, their immune systems continued to battle against their own bodies. Covid kills by causing your immune system to go haywire if it was a computer it crashes the system.

Even after recovery people will have bouts with autoimmune problems. I have a friend who was complaining about that before Covid said he was never sick. He's already had 3 major colds this year. two of them bronchitis and required a hospital stay. The doctor has now told him he has chronic bronchitis and will be dealing with this probably the rest of his life.

You can choose not to get vaccinated just be forwarned play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

originally posted by: dragonridr


You can choose not to get vaccinated just be forwarned play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

This is the dilemma we are all faced with, and why those who can, or who care, are trying to gather so much data. What you say about the virus is true, but its death rates are not hugely above those delivered by the common flu. Its long term effects are unknown, as you say. On the other hand, we also know the gene therapy has killed tens of thousands of people, blinded many, and given others horrendous life-long medical conditions. Because the therapy is delivering the same toxic spike as the natural virus, the effects are just as random as you point out. Why do some get the therapy and (at least short-term) are all right, while others die? The whole thing is a nightmare.

a reply to: dragonridr

I’ve had covid, I was fine. I don’t want or need the vaccine nor does that decision have any bearing on my intelligence.

Rush into an experimental trial vaccine for a virus which didn’t even give me a cough? I’d say that’s the more risky proposition.

a reply to: kwakakev

I find it odd third world resort countries like Haiti and the Dominican Republic don’t have issues, lol Haiti is a dumpster fire port au prince literally is a garbage pile and the water running in their water ways is grey with oil slicks on top and people still vacation there to city sol’iel but they don’t have a sniffles issue.


Let the meek inherit the earth

a reply to: Brotherman

In some of these third world nations you can buy HCQ straight over the counter. They take it regularly to help with malaria. Covid has not been much of an issue in these parts of the world.

originally posted by: Grenade

So your analysis is based on a 3rd hand anecdote?

No, it's based mostly upon scientific reports and journals. I treat news reports with skepticism, but don't dismiss them uncritically either. The anecdote yesterday came first hand from the nurse whose life was saved in hospital. The death of the other nurse she mentioned was reported in the news at the time.

originally posted by: kwakakev

We are in an information war.

And much of what passes for information on ATS these days is pure disinfo aimed at the scientifically illiterate, some manufactured no doubt to serve hostile agendas.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

Care to cite a peer reviewed article and not the mainstream media?

Most COVID-19 Infections and Hospitalizations are in Unvaccinated Cleveland Clinic, May 12 2021

“From January first to around mid-April, we’ve had around 4,300 admissions to the hospital with COVID. Of those patients, 99% were not fully vaccinated,” said Eduardo Mireles, MD, Director of the Medical Intensive Care Unit...

Researchers looked at nearly 2,000 hospital workers who had contracted COVID-19. They studied infections in the four months after the vaccine was offered. Results show 99.7% of infections in this group occurred among those who were unvaccinated.

They also found coronavirus MRNA vaccines to be more than 97% effective in protecting against COVID-19

The Clinic’s study included 47,000 caregivers. Of those, 1,991 tested positive for the coronavirus.

Only 0.3% of infections occurred among caregivers who were fully vaccinated, meaning it had been at least two weeks since they received their second dose of the Pfizer of Moderna vaccines, the Clinic said.

The data shows the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were more than 96% effective at preventing infection. That’s slightly higher than the 90% effectiveness under real-world conditions that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported in late March.

Covid-19: Most people admitted to hospital after vaccination were infected before immunity could develop, research shows BMJ, 30 April 2021

Effectiveness of BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 COVID-19 vaccination at preventing hospitalisations in people aged at least 80 years: a test-negative, case-control study The Lancet, June 23, 2021

One dose of either BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 resulted in substantial risk reductions of COVID-19-related hospitalisation in people aged at least 80 years.

Latest data on immune response to COVID-19 reinforces need for vaccination Oxford University study

While the majority of people who had symptomatic disease did have measurable immune responses at six months post infection, a significant minority (17/66; 26%) did not. The vast majority of people who experienced asymptomatic disease (11/12; 92%) did not exhibit a measurable immune response at six months post infection. This implies that people who have previously been infected with COVID-19 should not assume they are automatically protected against reinfection and highlights the importance of everyone getting their COVID vaccination when they are offered it.