UK Official Covid Vaccine Report More Vaxxed Dying of Delta Than Unvaxxed

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

Ah, but you're forgetting that most of the unvaxxed are young and healthy, while the vaxxed include the oldest and most vulnerable. So it is to be expected that they have a higher mortality rate.

So the “vaccine” isn’t effective?

The numbers suggest it is very effective.

Sorry if you are struggling to follow that.

Considering the number of breakthrough cases that have been reported, even WITH the cycle threshold turned down (not a conspiracy theory but official information), and the number of people who have died from covid-19 even though they had all their shots, suggests that it’s not effective.

Furthermore, mask and socialism distancing guidelines are still in effect. Why do “unvaccinated” people need to wear masks, if they are with “vaccinated” individuals? Does the vaccine not protect you? Seems it does not.

Only if you don't understand the numbers.

A much higher % of the population has been vaccinated, therefore there should be far more serious cases amongst the vaccinated.

The fact there isn't shows it is working.

This is absolute idiotic logic.

No it's basic maths.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

Why should anyone get the vaccine? Seems like it does absolutely nothing other than cause issues.

Also, why get an experimental gene therapy if there are viable therapeutics like ivermectin?

So in the US we went from 4000 deaths per day to 300 now and dropping, maybe that is why. I don't think you have a clue to how mRNA actually works and why it is important to establish t-cell and not just start with a nuevo virus. There is no gene therapy going on here.

The mRNA mirrors the COVID RNA but it is inert and will not reproduce viruses as the body takes time to make a signature for the virus in its immune system.

I know of 4 people within friends and families that died to COVID and a dozen that spent weeks in a hospital. I know of none who has have a bad reaction to the vaccine other than one person felt they had the flu for 5 days then all was good. Myself and family got either zero symptom to the vaccine or one day...So where are ALL these issues outside of your bias search?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Realtruth

Like UK, 90% of new China Virus cases in Israel are Delta variant...so this is germane:

Half of Adults Infected in Latest COVID-19 Outbreak Were Fully Vaccinated: Israeli Official

About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

truthbasedmedia.com...

If accurate...being "vaccinated" does absolutely nothing to protect one from being infected.

Again that ignores the % and breakdown of who was vacinated.

originally posted by: flice

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: flice

You do realize I laid out the argument that clearly shows vaccination offers substantial protection against the delta variant.

Then why do the companies who make them say that they do NOT offer protection?

They say their vax offers no protection? Please show me that. Love to see that source.

www.thelancet.com...

You consider 0.84% effectiveness as protection?

It's misread. The ARR should be read the other way around... so it signifies the risk of getting infected.
To explain ARR:
If you have 10.000 vaccinated people and 100 get sick, that yields an ARR of 1%.

But that was with the Alpha strain right? So that ARR is useless now for both sides of the table.
Delta has clearly shown this.

Care to share how you are able to flip info around?

Ahhh, yes the strains....the MUTANTS...

Anyone have actual scientific proof of virus isolation...and not a media article. Like actual peer reviewed article.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

As 80%+ adults have had at least 1 shot your numbers would suggest that non vaccinated are getting covid at about 8x the rate of vaccinated and therefore more likely to die.

Or vaccinated are far less likely to even get symptoms so don't get tested.

That doesn't take into account the relative demographic of who has been vaccinated which would suggest the vaccine is even more effective.

Oh look, it's the village idiot/ troll.

Anyway...

www.thelancet.com...

Pfizer Relative Risk Reduction is 95%.

But that doesn't take into account the overall background risks as the RRR only reports those who benefit from the vaccine.

Unlike the Absoloute Risk Reduction, which considers ALL background risks and gives a real world picture of effectiveness.

The Pfizer Absoloute Risk Reduction is 0.84%.

Essentially, the vaccines do FU#K ALL to protect anyone from anything. Same as masks. Same as 2m distancing. ALL BULLSH!T.

But hey, if you want to line up and be part of the experiment...have at it! I wouldn't even consider stopping you from getting a jab or wearing a mask or being isolated. You do you. But like any religion...don't push your belief system on myself or anyone else.

If this was truly a deadly pandemic then we wouldn't need the governments PR campaigns to convince us...it would be obvious. But that's just not the reality, is it.

Instead, it's a very contagious, hardly lethal virus which is endemic and super destructive to the global economy due to moron politicians.

You call me the Village idiot while demonstrating you don't understand the numbers you are quoting .

www.reuters.com...

Care to cite a peer reviewed article and not the mainstream media?

You didn't. It was an opinion piece.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

As 80%+ adults have had at least 1 shot your numbers would suggest that non vaccinated are getting covid at about 8x the rate of vaccinated and therefore more likely to die.

Or vaccinated are far less likely to even get symptoms so don't get tested.

That doesn't take into account the relative demographic of who has been vaccinated which would suggest the vaccine is even more effective.

Oh look, it's the village idiot/ troll.

Anyway...

www.thelancet.com...

Pfizer Relative Risk Reduction is 95%.

But that doesn't take into account the overall background risks as the RRR only reports those who benefit from the vaccine.

Unlike the Absoloute Risk Reduction, which considers ALL background risks and gives a real world picture of effectiveness.

The Pfizer Absoloute Risk Reduction is 0.84%.

Essentially, the vaccines do FU#K ALL to protect anyone from anything. Same as masks. Same as 2m distancing. ALL BULLSH!T.

But hey, if you want to line up and be part of the experiment...have at it! I wouldn't even consider stopping you from getting a jab or wearing a mask or being isolated. You do you. But like any religion...don't push your belief system on myself or anyone else.

If this was truly a deadly pandemic then we wouldn't need the governments PR campaigns to convince us...it would be obvious. But that's just not the reality, is it.

Instead, it's a very contagious, hardly lethal virus which is endemic and super destructive to the global economy due to moron politicians.

You call me the Village idiot while demonstrating you don't understand the numbers you are quoting .

www.reuters.com...

Care to cite a peer reviewed article and not the mainstream media?

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ THIS.

They will quote SNOPES (holy sh!t! 😂) but then tell you that what the drug company says- the drug company who makes their little shots- are meaningless.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

I don't know, maybe because it appears you are hundreds of times more likely to die if you are at risk if you don't take it ... maybe thousands of times more likely.

If you are 70+ its like 9000 times than if you are 21.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: flice

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: flice

You do realize I laid out the argument that clearly shows vaccination offers substantial protection against the delta variant.

Then why do the companies who make them say that they do NOT offer protection?

They say their vax offers no protection? Please show me that. Love to see that source.

www.thelancet.com...

You consider 0.84% effectiveness as protection?

It's misread. The ARR should be read the other way around... so it signifies the risk of getting infected.
To explain ARR:
If you have 10.000 vaccinated people and 100 get sick, that yields an ARR of 1%.

But that was with the Alpha strain right? So that ARR is useless now for both sides of the table.
Delta has clearly shown this.

Care to share how you are able to flip info around?

Ahhh, yes the strains....the MUTANTS...

Anyone have actual scientific proof of virus isolation...and not a media article. Like actual peer reviewed article.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

But I see I explained it wrong, but it still does not mean 0,84 efficiacy. And mind you... I'm mostly on the anti side.
Or to put it right, I don't trust pharma or government are acting at our best interests.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Realtruth
a reply to: ScepticScot


so quick math:

27.192 delta cases with vax, 68 deaths, 0.25% death rate

53.822 delta cases non vaxed, 38 deaths, 0.07% death rate


so vaxed people have a 4 times higher chance to die if they get delta

As 80%+ adults have had at least 1 shot your numbers would suggest that non vaccinated are getting covid at about 8x the rate of vaccinated and therefore more likely to die.

Or vaccinated are far less likely to even get symptoms so don't get tested.

That doesn't take into account the relative demographic of who has been vaccinated which would suggest the vaccine is even more effective.

Oh look, it's the village idiot/ troll.

Anyway...

www.thelancet.com...

Pfizer Relative Risk Reduction is 95%.

But that doesn't take into account the overall background risks as the RRR only reports those who benefit from the vaccine.

Unlike the Absoloute Risk Reduction, which considers ALL background risks and gives a real world picture of effectiveness.

The Pfizer Absoloute Risk Reduction is 0.84%.

Essentially, the vaccines do FU#K ALL to protect anyone from anything. Same as masks. Same as 2m distancing. ALL BULLSH!T.

But hey, if you want to line up and be part of the experiment...have at it! I wouldn't even consider stopping you from getting a jab or wearing a mask or being isolated. You do you. But like any religion...don't push your belief system on myself or anyone else.

If this was truly a deadly pandemic then we wouldn't need the governments PR campaigns to convince us...it would be obvious. But that's just not the reality, is it.

Instead, it's a very contagious, hardly lethal virus which is endemic and super destructive to the global economy due to moron politicians.

You call me the Village idiot while demonstrating you don't understand the numbers you are quoting .

www.reuters.com...

Care to cite a peer reviewed article and not the mainstream media?

Sure here is one , which Is one more than you have posted.


www.bmj.com...

originally posted by: KansasGirl

Holy ssh!t, did you SERIOUSLY just use SNOPES as a fact-check? Anything you have ever said or will say is now null and void. Not a single person who can think critically uses SNOPES. Have you zero self-respect? I can’t believe you actually used Snopes. 😂

Seriously. Look into Snopes, man.

I don't use Snopes very much as it is very liberal bias, but in this case the information is correct. The realty is the original source was from some unknown person and it blew up on twitter etc. In the end the 4 pilots died to other things instead of the vaccine, I already knew this, but Snopes laid it out nicely. I actually looked into it all awhile back when I learned one of them died to a bike accident and another was fighting COVID already for a very long time.

You are the one that posted BS with this and I called you out, you need to do more research as I suggested in my post, maybe you can read my entire post too, I know that is hard for you...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

Why should anyone get the vaccine? Seems like it does absolutely nothing other than cause issues.

Also, why get an experimental gene therapy if there are viable therapeutics like ivermectin?

So in the US we went from 4000 deaths per day to 300 now and dropping, maybe that is why. I don't think you have a clue to how mRNA actually works and why it is important to establish t-cell and not just start with a nuevo virus. There is no gene therapy going on here.

The mRNA mirrors the COVID RNA but it is inert and will not reproduce viruses as the body takes time to make a signature for the virus in its immune system.

I know of 4 people within friends and families that died to COVID and a dozen that spent weeks in a hospital. I know of none who has have a bad reaction to the vaccine other than one person felt they had the flu for 5 days then all was good. Myself and family got either zero symptom to the vaccine or one day...So where are ALL these issues outside of your bias search?

Wow...scary.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that so many people don't see it the same as ALL seasonal virus, where the infection rates always drops in the summer months...same thing happened last year with COVID...let me guess, you'll credit lockdowns and all that totalitarian BS.

I will bet my life that it will have a resurgence in the fall/ winter...and they will roll out the BS that they need more lockdowns and more vaccines.

How people cannot see through this tripe is beyond me. But then again, fear shuts down the ability to use critical thinking.

Anyway, while I do find this site interesting at times, I do have a life to live. So, I'm going to go take some really big risks, because life is all about risk...and rip up some fun twisty roads and drag a knee with my bike.

Peace out.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Cool thanks.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

How CONVENIENT and lazy of you.

Haha...the information sure is out there. LoL

Jesus people, do any of you ever look into anything on your own? A bold claim that the vaccine killed 4 pilots that was debunked not by Snopes months ago and you use that as an example as to why the vaccine is bad...lol You really suck at this... F'en Google and prove me wrong, which would be wasting your time.

OK not snoops...A little harder searching..they also didn't die in the same week and one looks to be suicide.

British Airways pilot Edward Brice-Bennett, 33, died on a mountain trail bike park on June 2, 2021. There was no mention of a COVID-19 vaccine in an article published by the New Valley News. "A post mortem examination showed two conditions, abdominal trauma and haemoperitoneum, but no cause of death had yet been ascertained," the publication reported.

While Synnott and Brice-Bennet both died in early June. The third pilot publicly identified was Senior First Officer Grant Mercer, who passed away on May 4, 2021. His fundraising pages notes any leftover funds will be donated to the charity CALM: "Campaign Against Living Miserably (CALM) is leading a movement against suicide. Every week 125 people in the UK take their own lives. And 75% of all UK suicides are male. CALM exists to change this."

This is what started it all off...All of it was not true...

The Liberty Bugle article shared a tweet with a 1-minute recording of what seems to be a male voice claiming to have insider information about BA pilots' deaths and a government investigation into the situation:

a reply to: Realtruth

Hey would you read this and let me know your thoughts because it’s strange to see this published and it is saying something else in America except they don’t talk about the delta strain

Nearly all us covid deaths are unvaccinated

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

Ya can't fix stupid.

Can I ask you a serious question? Who are the trolls here. I put forth information as others and you two are doing nothing but trolling with zero facts to carry whatever crazy opinion you all have.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

Of course it is meaningless...to you. You’re unable to think critically or recognize evidence when it is kicking you in the ass.

Have you actually put anything forward? Like your 4 pilots...lol

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: flice

You do realize I laid out the argument that clearly shows vaccination offers substantial protection against the delta variant.

Then why do the companies who make them say that they do NOT offer protection?

They say their vax offers no protection? Please show me that. Love to see that source.

It’s in their application for approval.

You can listen to a recording as well, if a Moderna spokesperson telling a customer that the “vaccine” offers no protection against covid-19 and only may lessen the severity of symptoms if one get covid-19. He also admits they have seen many cases of paralysis due to Guillian-Barre and other syndromes, and many other injuries. The recording is contained in a podcast that you likely won’t accept, though the recording can’t be denied as it’s a recorded call to Moderna’s covid-19 “vaccine” help line.

That same recording has the Moderna spokesperson laughing and telling the woman with G-B...that EVERYONE taking the "vaccine" is part of their clinical trial.

"Vaccine" makers see everyone using their product as a test subject.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

How people cannot see through this tripe is beyond me. But then again, fear shuts down the ability to use critical thinking.

Anyway, while I do find this site interesting at times, I do have a life to live. So, I'm going to go take some really big risks, because life is all about risk...and rip up some fun twisty roads and drag a knee with my bike.

Peace out.

I'm actually against masks mostly and lockdowns and giving the vaccine to anyone under the age of 40. I wish we opened up the schools last year and let the virus run its course.

In the end I don't care if the vaccine works or not as it created a reason for states to normalize which I wished they did a year ago, so the vaccine works for me in that way. COVID hasn't ran the normal course of a 4 or 5 month flu season, and you can just look at last summer for that. The reduction is heard immunity that the vaccines are accelerating us to that point.

Lets look at it again in a year then we can talk about all the people dead from the vaccines and why they don't work, or maybe you might see something different.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: flice

You do realize I laid out the argument that clearly shows vaccination offers substantial protection against the delta variant.

Then why do the companies who make them say that they do NOT offer protection?

They say their vax offers no protection? Please show me that. Love to see that source.

It’s in their application for approval.

You can listen to a recording as well, if a Moderna spokesperson telling a customer that the “vaccine” offers no protection against covid-19 and only may lessen the severity of symptoms if one get covid-19. He also admits they have seen many cases of paralysis due to Guillian-Barre and other syndromes, and many other injuries. The recording is contained in a podcast that you likely won’t accept, though the recording can’t be denied as it’s a recorded call to Moderna’s covid-19 “vaccine” help line.

That same recording has the Moderna spokesperson laughing and telling the woman with G-B...that EVERYONE taking the "vaccine" is part of their clinical trial.

I think a few of us are waiting for the link instead of the resumé of it.

originally posted by: flice

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: flice

You do realize I laid out the argument that clearly shows vaccination offers substantial protection against the delta variant.

Then why do the companies who make them say that they do NOT offer protection?

They say their vax offers no protection? Please show me that. Love to see that source.

It’s in their application for approval.

You can listen to a recording as well, if a Moderna spokesperson telling a customer that the “vaccine” offers no protection against covid-19 and only may lessen the severity of symptoms if one get covid-19. He also admits they have seen many cases of paralysis due to Guillian-Barre and other syndromes, and many other injuries. The recording is contained in a podcast that you likely won’t accept, though the recording can’t be denied as it’s a recorded call to Moderna’s covid-19 “vaccine” help line.

That same recording has the Moderna spokesperson laughing and telling the woman with G-B...that EVERYONE taking the "vaccine" is part of their clinical trial.

I think a few of us are waiting for the link instead of the resumé of it.

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