Some more Vaccine side effect stuff

I realize those who have had the shot do not want to hear this. Those who have not had the shot might be interested. Yesterday after a very hot golf game one of the guys I was playing with told the story of his father-in-law. The guy was/is 62, strong as an ox, (rainy season and rice planting is being done) and 6 days ago got the Chinese Covid shot. 3 days later he is in ICU.. He is still in the hospital.

One of my long time Caddies I had not seen at the golf course for a while so I called her to see if she was "Still Alive ?" Come to find out she too (I think she is 36 years old ) got the Chinese vaccination. She said for almost a week she could not control her body or even walk properly. She could stay upright if she walked after a few days like a Duck by holding onto friends or furniture. She is much better now but still no strength in the arm she got the shot in. Yes she let the Doctor know as she had to go to the hospital several times.. That was 3 weeks ago when she got the shot.

One of my friends in Australia got the J&J Vaccine and within 3 days broke out in a red rash that was painful. The good news is the doctors gave him some lotion which helped greatly and he says he is OK now but hesitant about the second shot..

I realize I am just a screen name on a web site so take what I have written however you want. I figure it is a civic duty to report first/second hand what I have been told. If you have had the vaccine and have not had any bad side effects or grown a 3d nipple good for you. There are others not quite so fortunate.

Yeah, I too am a screen name. I have no crudentials, just life experience and many years of researching medical stuff and food science. I have no cure that I have found yet for stopping the side effects, yet have found a lot of scientific research on how to block the virus from getting bad utilizing natural food and herb chemistries.

I have heard of this bad hives outbreak in seniors here at nursing homes and also people getting shakes from the vaccine at that same nursing home. I have heard of people who are old that died a few days after the jab...is it a coincidence? I have no evidence of it being caused by the vaccine, so technically I have to say that it is a coincidence.

Personally, I do not BELIEVE that this vaccine is nearly as safe as they tout it to be. But that is my opinion, I do not want to get into a pissing match with any government agency. I also do not believe it is as effective as they say for stopping the spread of the virus...but I can say it does have some chemistry that can help stop covid from forming from the virus, and that is not the mRNA that does that, it is included in the adjuvant chemistry in the vaccine. That could be accomplished with a few supplements or some particular food choices.

originally posted by: 727Sky
... I realize I am just a screen name on a web site so take what I have written however you want.

Hey, all the morons that the morons cling to - from Anthony Fauxi to the drones on CNN and MSNBC are nothing more than screen names, either. I guess it's a matter of which screen name one finds more deserving of trust.

I'd trust you before I'd trust anybody from the NIH, the CDC, the WHO, CNN, MSNBC or most of the people in Washington, D.C.

Well said

a reply to: 727Sky

I haven't taken the vaccine and have no desire to do so.

a reply to: 727Sky

Of all the people we have collectively spoken to who have had adverse events from vaccination, what percentage do you think reported them to vaers (or equiv in your country)? Truthfully, I'd say 60% have verbally told me they had significant AEs, but 0 have reported them. Some didnt even know what the 'vaccine AE reporting system' was.

The conversation goes like this: "What's new? Just got your vaccine? How are you feeling? Awe, man. I hate to hear that. I hope that resolves itself soon. Guess you didnt report that to vaers?" The response is either 1) whats that? or 2) no, it was expected. Then I come back and say, dude, you just told me youve been in bed for two days with a temp, pains and severe fatigue. Who told you that was expected? Silence.

a reply to: 727Sky
People could EASILY see how many people regret getting this sh# by typing "I regret the vaccine" on Twitter. Not to mention the countless of accounts documenting just how f#cked up the vaccine left them. It's very sad to read about humans who genuinely thought they were doing the right and selfless thing. They instead got their souls absolutely crushed because they can't do the things they were able to do before the stab. All of them were SO for these stabs and lockdowns and now they would be labeled as anti vaxx, even though they have a PERFECTLY good reason to hate these stabs.

So how do you explain the millions, like myself, who have received the vaccine, but who have suffered NO side effects (just to note, I've had a complete physical, my annual check-up actually, since receiving my second dose) other than the expected mild reactions, which in my case, lasted less than 48 hours?

Either I got the "good stuff", while all your "horror stories" were "targeted" with an arm-load of "poison"; or they got the real vaccine, and I got...something else.

By an extension of your "reasoning", some of us have been selected to thrive, and some to wither.

originally posted by: FreeOrigin
a reply to: 727Sky

Of all the people we have collectively spoken to who have had adverse events from vaccination, what percentage do you think reported them to vaers (or equiv in your country)? Truthfully, I'd say 60% have verbally told me they had significant AEs, but 0 have reported them. Some didnt even know what the 'vaccine AE reporting system' was.

The conversation goes like this: "What's new? Just got your vaccine? How are you feeling? Awe, man. I hate to hear that. I hope that resolves itself soon. Guess you didnt report that to vaers?" The response is either 1) whats that? or 2) no, it was expected. Then I come back and say, dude, you just told me youve been in bed for two days with a temp, pains and severe fatigue. Who told you that was expected? Silence.

thelibertyloft.com...

Charlotte, NC — The number of vaccine-related deaths reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), maintained by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), showed a jump of 723 new deaths over a week in its latest data dump on June 11, but the push by the corporate media and politicians to submit to the experimental COVID-19 shots remain strong.

The VAERS report showed 5,888 dead through June 4, up from 5,165 deaths the previous week. The number of recorded deaths since the emergency approval of the COVID-19 shots now total more than the number of deaths recorded over the previous 29 years combined for all vaccines.

Additionally, there are 329,021 injuries reported including 43,892 emergency room visits, 19,587 hospitalizations, 5,884 life-threatening cases and 4,538 permanently disabled.

Another screen name friend from another web site posted this story. NightskyeB4Dawn wrote :

I spoke with a co-worker earlier today. She has been out sick since Monday evening, about 12 hours after getting her second shot.

Everyone in her family got sick back in February except her. She did finally get it in March. She took the vaccine so she would not get grief at work. She said the first shot was not too bad, but the second shot was worse than the virus. She said she feels awful, and her hair is falling out by the hand fulls.

She was always proud of her hair. It was thick, very long, and blonde. She is miserable and depressed. She said the doctor told her she could continue the hair lost for another nine months or so. She says she will be completely bald by then. She is devastated.

I can't tell her I told her not to get the vaccine, and I warned her that the side effects could be harsh. I told her she already had the virus, she did not need the vaccine. She didn't want to make waves, and she feared losing her job. Now she has lost so much more, but she doesn't need for me to tell her that.

I personally feel sorry for those, who because, of jobs or "whatever" are pressured into a shot and then get a bad reaction or even die.. I still wonder what happened to all the flu deaths every year ?? Guess COVID killed the Flu too ??...

originally posted by: 727Sky
I realize those who have had the shot do not want to hear this. Those who have not had the shot might be interested. Yesterday after a very hot golf game one of the guys I was playing with told the story of his father-in-law. The guy was/is 62, strong as an ox, (rainy season and rice planting is being done) and 6 days ago got the Chinese Covid shot. 3 days later he is in ICU.. He is still in the hospital.

Was this the Sinovac Coronavax, or the Sinopharm COVAX Chinese vaccine?

Just seems a little bit vague, to me?

One of my long time Caddies I had not seen at the golf course for a while so I called her to see if she was "Still Alive ?" Come to find out she too (I think she is 36 years old ) got the Chinese vaccination. She said for almost a week she could not control her body or even walk properly. She could stay upright if she walked after a few days like a Duck by holding onto friends or furniture. She is much better now but still no strength in the arm she got the shot in. Yes she let the Doctor know as she had to go to the hospital several times.. That was 3 weeks ago when she got the shot.

One of my friends in Australia got the J&J Vaccine and within 3 days broke out in a red rash that was painful. The good news is the doctors gave him some lotion which helped greatly and he says he is OK now but hesitant about the second shot..

The J&J vaccine is a single shot vaccine, and has never been approved for use in Australia.

Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine not approved for Australia

I realize I am just a screen name on a web site so take what I have written however you want. I figure it is a civic duty to report first/second hand what I have been told. If you have had the vaccine and have not had any bad side effects or grown a 3d nipple good for you. There are others not quite so fortunate.

I figure that you are uninformed and are making things up, or are being misled by those around you, or are a classic anti-vaxxer and are knowingly lying.

a reply to: 727Sky

Yeah the J&J Vaccine isn't available in Australia you filthy lying anti-vaxing bio-terrorist .....

Anyway some good news about the Pfizer is that it seems only about 25% of it stays at the injection site. But we knew that happens cause ... they ..... were .... tested .... in .... the ... proper ..... clinical .... trials ..... right ? WRONG, they weren't.

And we all know what happens now don't we ...... WRONG AGAIN ..... no ones got the slightest # idea, LOL.

I mean seriously, the guy who invented mRNA even wrote to the FDA about it ages ago telling them this was a bad idea. Maybe he'll end up dead like Kary Mullis.

originally posted by: myselfaswell
a reply to: 727Sky

Yeah the J&J Vaccine isn't available in Australia you filthy lying anti-vaxing bio-terrorist .....

Anyway some good news about the Pfizer is that it seems only about 25% of it stays at the injection site. But we knew that happens cause ... they ..... were .... tested .... in .... the ... proper ..... clinical .... trials ..... right ? WRONG, they weren't.

And we all know what happens now don't we ...... WRONG AGAIN ..... no ones got the slightest # idea, LOL.

I mean seriously, the guy who invented mRNA even wrote to the FDA about it ages ago telling them this was a bad idea. Maybe he'll end up dead like Kary Mullis.

None of an mRNA vaccine leaves the injection site.

The process of producing the protein within the cell where it is injected destroys the mRNA. The code is destroyed in the reading. It also doesn't last very long in chemical integrity, which is why the vaccines must be frozen at super low temperatures like -80 just to keep it viable. Within 45 minutes, once thawed, the mRNA is totally degraded. This includes inside the body.

And once the spike protein is produced, it is then targeted by antibodies and T-cells, and so it is destroyed by the immune response it trains. All that is left is the primed immune response - no mRNA or spike protein remains.

With other inactivated whole virus, or protein vector, or viral vector vaccines, they last a bit longer in the body, but are still essentially destroyed, leaving only the trained immune responses.

a reply to: chr0naut
WHO told you that?

I have an email out to my Australian friend as I might be incorrect about the particular vaccine he took..To many friends taking to many different Vaccines for me to keep straight I suppose...However the Chinese vaccine in the original Op posting is correct.. it is the dead of night where he lives but I am going through emails.

OK found what type he had

The first jab last night so only have my 2nd covid jab Astra zeneca to go to be invincible lol.

I did find his email about what happened after his first shot:

I was at the Doctors last Friday as I had a bloody itchy rash spreading all over.Doctor wasn't sure if it was an allergy or a viral infection.
Prescribed me Telfast antihistamines and Novasone cream which thankfully is working.
First time last night for a couple of weeks I slept ok.
Just back from my walk now to do some floor exercises and stretching.Will take a muscle relaxant to minimize the electric shot type spasms.
Watched the morning news re covid outbreak in Victoria which has resulted in a 1 week total lockdown.
Amazing now how they the supposed experts now have discovered that even after we have had both jabs we can still get covid and transmit it.
Very depressing but nothing we can do except live our lives as fully as possible while we can.
Cheers

I despise Dan the Dictator who is an Extreme Left Labor bastard.
Thank goodness I live in a Liberal State (Republic)
My second jab in July. If not for knowing international travel would not be possible without being vaccinated I wouldn't have had it done.

Edit to add: Surprise I have receive a reply :

Astra zeneca, 2nd one due mid July. My wife has had her first phizer and will have 2nd early July.

A little more on reported side effects... Must be all B.S. as surly no amount of money would get the medical establishment to unleash an unsafe vaccine upon the trusting public.. Wear two masks townhall.com... 1047 and get the jab. rense.com...

Just checked the link about what was found in the school kids mask.. The link does not work ???..But there is a thread on ATS about some of the bad stuff found in the mask. New link different site: anti-empire.com...

Via press release:

Gainesville, FL (June 16, 2021) – A group of parents in Gainesville, FL, concerned about potential harms from masks, submitted six face masks to a lab for analysis. The resulting report found that five masks were contaminated with bacteria, parasites, and fungi, including three with dangerous pathogenic and pneumonia-causing bacteria. No viruses were detected on the masks, although the test is capable of detecting viruses.

The analysis detected the following 11 alarmingly dangerous pathogens on the masks:

• Streptococcus pneumoniae (pneumonia)

• Mycobacterium tuberculosis (tuberculosis)

• Neisseria meningitidis (meningitis, sepsis)

• Acanthamoeba polyphaga (keratitis and granulomatous amebic encephalitis)

• Acinetobacter baumanni (pneumonia, blood stream infections, meningitis, UTIs— resistant to antibiotics)

• Escherichia coli (food poisoning)

• Borrelia burgdorferi (causes Lyme disease)

• Corynebacterium diphtheriae (diphtheria)

• Legionella pneumophila (Legionnaires’ disease)

• Staphylococcus pyogenes serotype M3 (severe infections—high morbidity rates)

• Staphylococcus aureus (meningitis, sepsis)

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut
WHO told you that?

No, the WHO don't talk to me, and I have found that they 'dumb things down' considerably on their website.

I have a cursory knowledge of genetics and related biological processes, gained over a number of years, and some practical lab work (a requirement of most tertiary educational programs for science subjects).

My actual major was in relativistic astrophysics, but I got into genetics through practical work in X-Ray crystallography (which Watson & Crick used to determine the double helix nature of DNA) and things sort of 'grew' from there.

My friends wife is also a pHD geneticist, so it is often a topic of frequent conversation.

originally posted by: 727Sky
I have an email out to my Australian friend as I might be incorrect about the particular vaccine he took..To many friends taking to many different Vaccines for me to keep straight I suppose...However the Chinese vaccine in the original Op posting is correct.. it is the dead of night where he lives but I am going through emails.

OK found what type he had

The first jab last night so only have my 2nd covid jab Astra zeneca to go to be invincible lol.

I did find his email about what happened after his first shot:

I was at the Doctors last Friday as I had a bloody itchy rash spreading all over.Doctor wasn't sure if it was an allergy or a viral infection.
Prescribed me Telfast antihistamines and Novasone cream which thankfully is working.
First time last night for a couple of weeks I slept ok.
Just back from my walk now to do some floor exercises and stretching.Will take a muscle relaxant to minimize the electric shot type spasms.
Watched the morning news re covid outbreak in Victoria which has resulted in a 1 week total lockdown.
Amazing now how they the supposed experts now have discovered that even after we have had both jabs we can still get covid and transmit it.
Very depressing but nothing we can do except live our lives as fully as possible while we can.
Cheers

I despise Dan the Dictator who is an Extreme Left Labor bastard.
Thank goodness I live in a Liberal State (Republic)
My second jab in July. If not for knowing international travel would not be possible without being vaccinated I wouldn't have had it done.

Edit to add: Surprise I have receive a reply :

Astra zeneca, 2nd one due mid July. My wife has had her first phizer and will have 2nd early July.

A little more on reported side effects... Must be all B.S. as surly no amount of money would get the medical establishment to unleash an unsafe vaccine upon the trusting public.. Wear two masks townhall.com... 1047 and get the jab. rense.com...

Just checked the link about what was found in the school kids mask.. The link does not work ???..But there is a thread on ATS about some of the bad stuff found in the mask.

Then please accept my apologies.

My parents and younger brother are living in Australia and have both received their first shots of the Astra Zaneca vaccine.

My father has retinopathy and believes that it has worsened after the vaccine (possibly a blood clot/burst blood vessel?) and there has been much discussion with his ophthalmologist who is recommending that he defer his second shot until next year, until we can know if the vaccine is the probable cause of the flare-up in his symptoms, or not.

In New Zealand, where I reside, the government has purchased sufficient of the Pfizer vaccine for everyone in the country, and it does not use the adenovirus as the delivery system for the RNA vector. So it doesn't appear to cause blood clots.

I have personally had the first of the Pfizer shots and have been symptom free (as has my wife), except for some mild soreness at the injection site, and that totally abated after the second day.

BTW, magnets don't stick to the injection site.

LOL

a reply to: chr0naut
Have you heard of Dr Robert W Malone?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut
Have you heard of Dr Robert W Malone?

I imagine he too is a filthy lying anti-vaxing bio-terrorist .....

In the moment I saw the left, Hollywood and media pushing the vaccine, I knew it can't be good.

I'm sorry, I know there is people here in ATS who took the shot, but that was a really stupid move. We all make mistakes, the vaccine is an stigma.

No, you're not just a screen name, you all are good people and I love you all and don't want to lose my dear ATS friends.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut
Have you heard of Dr Robert W Malone?

Yes, it's sad.

But if he was so against mRNA vaccines and specifically the spike protein created through mRNA, Why did he go and get vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine?

And, let's be clear, the spike protein itself isn't in the mRNA vaccine.

The mRNA in the vaccine gets the cell to manufacture the spike protein, inside the cell.

It doesn't go through the whole body, and neither does the mRNA which only gets into the cells punctured by the needle. The mRNA is encapsulated in a lipid (a fatty acid) to protect the mRNA for the short time between thawing and administration.

Even 'packaged' as it is in the lipid, in 45 minutes, at body temperature, the mRNA has totally degraded. So even the stuff that doesn't make it into any cells, is gone fairly quickly.

Inside the cell, the lipid is quickly absorbed, releasing the mRNA fragment.

The mRNA fragment in the cell/s is destroyed when it is used to generate the amino acid chains, that together are the spike protein.

So, outside the cell, there is no trace left of the mRNA, and there is no spike protein from the vaccine outside of the cell/s.

Inside the cells, the mRNA is consumed in making the spike protein, and the spike protein does not disrupt the cell wall, like it does with the virus, because it is already inside the cell.

As the immune response begins to build inside the cell, antibodies begin to be produced and T-cells get their priming. The antibodies and the T-calls destroy the spike protein that they encounter, so even inside the cells, the spike protein ends up gone, as well.

The only bits left over are the antibodies and the primed T-cells (i.e: the immune response) which replicate around the body waiting for their target, the spike protein, to make another appearance.