Did the Pentagon admit defeat?

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Have you ever driven a FIAT...🤓 I rest my case...😂

Ahhhhh.....but what of the high end, Engineering of a Ferrari ...perhaps?

But I digress off topic...1000 pardons

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Gothmog

Can you think of any case whereas ships that small could cross extraterrestrial space ?

Do Naval Landing Craft cross an ocean ? No, it's transported by a much larger vessel.

Then realesed from the larger vessel when required.

Using physics , the "mother" ship's energy source would have to be much larger than a star.
So , where is it ?
I know , it's hiding....

You're thinking as a humam.

We have no idea what " their " capabilites could be. That's the fun part.

I wish I had an imagination as other folks do .

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
Please help me out here. Nobody has seen the full UFO report yet, but according to some officials the gist is:

- We’re confirming they’re not ours.
- We haven’t seen a shred of evidence that points to extraterrestrial origins.

In other words the Pentagon is saying it is terrestrial! Doesn’t that clearly point to either China or Russia? And if so why would they publicly admit to this...?

Something is so off that my head is spinning 🤦🏽‍♂️

Any thoughts...?

Yes. Most likely terrestrial .
Can you think of any case whereas ships that small could cross extraterrestrial space ?

Uh yeah,its called gravity/mass nullification. The engines in Space can produce way more thrust on a craft that registers as no weight under full burn and can build up to close to Speed of light since the infinite mass problem is solved by scientific means and therefore does not break the law,but ignores it.

You played too much Mass Effect.

What’s the secret to their abilities? Nothing. Nothing is the key.

I think the Nimitz tic tac encounter these guys are flying FA 18 hornets? Almost $70 million for that air craft chasing unknown objects that have been monitored for a couple weeks and there's no other footage than the clips released? That's BS. They know a lot more. Those cockpits have hd cameras, there's tons of examples on Google.

There's zero reverse engineering explanation from anybody that I've come across so what about the craft that makes the Pentagon think they might be human made? What basis do they have for Russia or China to have technology the US best minds can't explain? That doesn't make sense either.

The fact the encounters happened on Earth is not a good enough reason to say it's man made.... and just because we're not military allies with China or Russia is not a good enough reason to say it's their's. Both of these theories, have nothing to do with the actual encounters, zero.

1. What about the craft makes it human? What clue is there to speculate it's human made? Did it have a Boeing logo on it?

2. What do they know about China and Russia's science and technology capabilities that far succeed over the US? If they know of it, why haven't they stolen or duplicated it? What about the craft makes it Russian or Chinese? Was there a flag on it?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
Please help me out here. Nobody has seen the full UFO report yet, but according to some officials the gist is:

- We’re confirming they’re not ours.
- We haven’t seen a shred of evidence that points to extraterrestrial origins.

In other words the Pentagon is saying it is terrestrial! Doesn’t that clearly point to either China or Russia? And if so why would they publicly admit to this...?

Something is so off that my head is spinning 🤦🏽‍♂️

Any thoughts...?

Yes. Most likely terrestrial .
Can you think of any case whereas ships that small could cross extraterrestrial space ?

Uh yeah,its called gravity/mass nullification. The engines in Space can produce way more thrust on a craft that registers as no weight under full burn and can build up to close to Speed of light since the infinite mass problem is solved by scientific means and therefore does not break the law,but ignores it.

You played too much Mass Effect.

How better to hide science fact with science fiction?

Astro said that reducing a crafts mass to zero in a field(bubble for lack of better term) and its fuel,occupants by removing the weak forces on their atoms to zero,the mass will not increase to infinite and that is key to getting to light speed. The fuel stays the same weight,as well as everything inside the field.

a reply to: Gothmog

LST'S DO cross oceans. They land on beaches. Other small sailing vessel cross our oceans.

To admit, outright, that these objects are, or are even likely to be, Extraterrestrial in origin would be to undeniably "shock the monkey(ies)". With unacceptably unpredictable consequences for the MIC, both in the US, and worldwide.

Calm and control must be maintained!


To claim ownership of this technology is to risk being called to demonstrate it, on command. Very difficult to do reliably if your claim(s) are not factual. And, under the current circumstances, since the technology has already been publicly viewed as "official disclosures" via the MSM, attempting to demure from such demonstration on the b a sis of "National Security", would be called out as ridiculous.

Identifying another, potentially adversarial, country as the operator of this technology would invite the kind of harsh criticism that can easily lead to official inquiries and "rolling heads".

However, disavowing ownership, while relying on "patriotic loyal" to discredit the possibility of an advesary having an advantage, allows the funding to continue without the requirement to provide concrete proof of a "return on investment", at least in the budgetary near-term.

Especially if the technology you're ostensibly trying to duplicate "Might be Extraterrestrial in origin (maybe), and 100' or even 1000's of years ahead of ours"!



In any event, the official position will most likely be, as it always is, "Say little. Imply everything. Let fear and self-interest do your bidding for you as you direct the public to your desired agenda."

a reply to: CyberBuddha

Many ancient texts from numerous religions attest to the fact that these are terrestrial in origin and from deep within the Earth! Even Bob Lazar himself said that these craft are not suited for space travel! This is not news.... Its knowledge that is thousands of years old... sadly most people rely on the news for their knowledge, which is why the world is in its current state!

A whole lot of deadly serious manipulations, half truths and butt covering going on, I imagine.

Anyone saying ufo/uap aren't one of the most classified subjects within world governments is lying or ignorant. The trouble is most people in government don't even know it exists, let alone is classified, but there are enough legitimate references in the paper trail to confirm the 70 years of hearsay.

My guesses are that either something is going to make it impossible to deny their existence or the reason for secrecy has become moot. I doubt a new generation of power brokers decided to stop lying en masse.

My guess is it's a mosaic of origins for unknowns in the sky, with ancient human (etc) technology being a piece of the puzzle. If that is correct, or if they found non human tech, then it follows that many conspiracy theories are "true" and a whole lot has been kept from the general population.

I don't see an easy way around mass outrage as at the least the governments have been lying about this for nearly a century. The usual "go-to" when dealing with public outrage is more lies, including a false flag event, though that would just dig the hole deeper.

Weird poop.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
Please help me out here. Nobody has seen the full UFO report yet, but according to some officials the gist is:

- We’re confirming they’re not ours.
- We haven’t seen a shred of evidence that points to extraterrestrial origins.

In other words the Pentagon is saying it is terrestrial! Doesn’t that clearly point to either China or Russia? And if so why would they publicly admit to this...?

Something is so off that my head is spinning 🤦🏽‍♂️

Any thoughts...?

Yes. Most likely terrestrial .
Can you think of any case whereas ships that small could cross extraterrestrial space ?

Uh yeah,its called gravity/mass nullification. The engines in Space can produce way more thrust on a craft that registers as no weight under full burn and can build up to close to Speed of light since the infinite mass problem is solved by scientific means and therefore does not break the law,but ignores it.

You played too much Mass Effect.

How better to hide science fact with science fiction?

Astro said that reducing a crafts mass to zero in a field(bubble for lack of better term) and its fuel,occupants by removing the weak forces on their atoms to zero,the mass will not increase to infinite and that is key to getting to light speed. The fuel stays the same weight,as well as everything inside the field.

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

I get establishin a "field " or "bubble " within which mass is reduced to zero, thus facilitating light speed without the limitations of infinite mass requiring infinite energy.

But we cannot be talking about "fuel" in the sense of a reaction mass that is to be ejected to provide thrust of any sort .

The instant anything, such as ejected fuel components, escape the FTL bubble they re-enter the "real world" , and at the relativistic speed implied, would instantly accrue near infinite mass, making acceleration impossible due to the required energy , right?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
Please help me out here. Nobody has seen the full UFO report yet, but according to some officials the gist is:

- We’re confirming they’re not ours.
- We haven’t seen a shred of evidence that points to extraterrestrial origins.

In other words the Pentagon is saying it is terrestrial! Doesn’t that clearly point to either China or Russia? And if so why would they publicly admit to this...?

Something is so off that my head is spinning 🤦🏽‍♂️

Any thoughts...?

Yes. Most likely terrestrial .
Can you think of any case whereas ships that small could cross extraterrestrial space ?

Uh yeah,its called gravity/mass nullification. The engines in Space can produce way more thrust on a craft that registers as no weight under full burn and can build up to close to Speed of light since the infinite mass problem is solved by scientific means and therefore does not break the law,but ignores it.

You played too much Mass Effect.

How better to hide science fact with science fiction?

Astro said that reducing a crafts mass to zero in a field(bubble for lack of better term) and its fuel,occupants by removing the weak forces on their atoms to zero,the mass will not increase to infinite and that is key to getting to light speed. The fuel stays the same weight,as well as everything inside the field.

Remember Mass Effect and the transporters ? How large they were ?
How much energy that would take...
What would happen when you wanted turn back from a wave to particles ?
Gonna be ugly.

originally posted by: 8654drp2
a reply to: Gothmog

LST'S DO cross oceans. They land on beaches. Other small sailing vessel cross our oceans.

I never said they didn't
Please learn to read with comprehension .
Besides , how many oceans are there that are parsecs wide ?
Answer : none.

a reply to: CyberBuddha
I think of that sometimes too. Oh shoot I left my program running? Woops lemme turn this off.
Poof.
Would it be immediate or would we have like 10 seconds realizing we're disintegrating

a reply to: yuppa
I like that but that would imply we are more powerful than the "aliens."
Unless we are the aliens that took them over.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Have you ever driven a FIAT...🤓 I rest my case...😂

Ahhhhh.....but what of the high end, Engineering of a Ferrari ...perhaps?

But I digress off topic...1000 pardons

👍🏾

How do we know they are not projections? Some sort of solid state projection? It would then "appear" to violate the laws of physics and present amazing speeds or travel through air or water with ease. Something that could show up visibly and fool radar?

Unless we have actual interference with one of these objects or tangible physical proof, how do we know they are in simplest of terms real?

Certainly seems within the realm of possibilities

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: CyberBuddha
Please help me out here. Nobody has seen the full UFO report yet, but according to some officials the gist is:

- We’re confirming they’re not ours.
- We haven’t seen a shred of evidence that points to extraterrestrial origins.

In other words the Pentagon is saying it is terrestrial! Doesn’t that clearly point to either China or Russia? And if so why would they publicly admit to this...?

Something is so off that my head is spinning 🤦🏽‍♂️

Any thoughts...?

Yes. Most likely terrestrial .
Can you think of any case whereas ships that small could cross extraterrestrial space ?

Uh yeah,its called gravity/mass nullification. The engines in Space can produce way more thrust on a craft that registers as no weight under full burn and can build up to close to Speed of light since the infinite mass problem is solved by scientific means and therefore does not break the law,but ignores it.

You played too much Mass Effect.

How better to hide science fact with science fiction?

Astro said that reducing a crafts mass to zero in a field(bubble for lack of better term) and its fuel,occupants by removing the weak forces on their atoms to zero,the mass will not increase to infinite and that is key to getting to light speed. The fuel stays the same weight,as well as everything inside the field.

Even if we travelled at the speed of light it’s still too slow for Interstellar travel. Only faster than light speed would get you around in a timely manner, unless you want to spend a lifetime (or several generations) traveling from one star to the next.

IMO they are just stating the obvious. You can't validate something if you don't know what that something is.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
IMO they are just stating the obvious. You can't validate something if you don't know what that something is.

But they’re actually saying more than that. They state that the US military doesn’t have the tech that matches the UFO’s capabilities. That narrows it down significantly.