Anyone heard of the "Wedge of Aiud?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I agree that this object could have a totally mundane explanation at this point. All it would take is to send it to a metallurgist laboratory for testing to find out if this alloy matches any known alloys made. They have databases of thousands of known alloys common in manufacturing the item could be compared to and put the matter to rest.

It's a bit odd that museum acts baffled as to it's origin but hasn't investigated the object through testing and comparison.

Also, the history of the land where it was found, and what happened on that land could answer a few questions.

I have some issues with both sides of this.

But I'll start with some of my own conjecture grasped from cursory searches.

The metal composition sounds like Duralumin. Which has been around since the early 1900's. Transylvania definitely had some extensive action in World War I, as well as WW2. This item could have easily found a way to end up 30 feet deep in the Earth.

I don't personally think excavator bucket tooth is the answer here, that's just the first pattern that most people's mind match with this thing.

If this were an excavator bucket tooth, someone should have been able to identify it by now. That would have been mass produced hardware, by an industrial manufacturer. Unless every excav or bucket with this tooth type has been mysteriously destroyed and all involved engineers and workers are dead, I find this explanation dubious at this point.

I think an explanation involving the Romanian armored trains, war artillery, and/or something aeroplane and war related, is probably somewhat more likely here, than has been considered.

Heavy patina could just be consistent with war related explosion or flame damage. Perhaps this came from a crashing plane or a piece of machinery blasted by artillery.

I would consider war era sources that are not necessarily related to excavator bucket teeth.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Would be nice to see more tests done on this material. Like Isotopic ratios. Would the isotopic ratios in all the elements found in this piece match terrestrial elements? Can't know this without those tests being done in a world class lab.

89 percent aluminum,
6.2 percent copper,
2.84 percent silicon,
1.81 percent zinc,
0.41 percent lead,
0.33 percent tin,
0.2 percent zirconium,
0.11 percent cadmium,
0.0024 percent nickel,
0.0023 percent cobalt,
0.0003 percent bismuth,
trace of galium.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I agree that this object could have a totally mundane explanation at this point. All it would take is to send it to a metallurgist laboratory for testing to find out if this alloy matches any known alloys made. They have databases of thousands of known alloys common in manufacturing the item could be compared to and put the matter to rest.

It's a bit odd that museum acts baffled as to it's origin but hasn't investigated the object through testing and comparison.

Also, the history of the land where it was found, and what happened on that land could answer a few questions.

This alloy is clearly part of the 2000 series of Aluminum, where copper adds higher strength, and silicon increases toughness and imparts increased integrity to the casting process where complex parts are involved. When heat-treated, this alloy can exceed the toughness of mild steel. Interestingly though, manufacturers note that the most common applications for the 2000 series Aluminum alloys are aerospace, military vehicles and rocket fins.

a reply to: anonentity

It's one of those 'ALMOST' debunked objects, a large machined piece of Aluminium.

But due to it's very close resemblance to a Digger's/Excavators tooth from it's bucket I am now convinced after another member brought this fact up at another thread that this is exactly what it is.

It's location however is odd, if no digger was ever there in modern times then who was driving a bulldozer around when it was left there?.
To quote the Bible.

9What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

I still hold that the So called Istanbul Rocket (though I believe it has more than just the head missing and once had wing's) is the best Oopart, however the one we see today that is made of plaster is probably a fake and the real original is probably sitting in some private collectors private collection somewhere.

We have been misled though in the past and the wedge of Aiud could be just another example of this.
Remember the Coso Geode, a 1920's champion Spark Plug probably from the nearby mine workings generator that was discarded into a nearby dry stream, rain and mud encased it in a concretion of local material and it was that material that was later dated to being about half a million years old so that one is pretty much debunked, or someone half a million years ago was making a spark plug identical to a 1920's spark plug.


I do believe there were previous civilizations, nothing we have made is really new and there are HUGE ooparts to back this up like for example a HUGE airstrip made of massive stone block's in Africa that is today used as an international airport having been revamped by NASA and tarmacked over the old pre-existing stone strip as an emergency landing site for the NASA space Shuttle though it was never used.
earth-chronicles.com...

Yundum.
It has never been PROPERLY researched and casual debunkers tried to suggest that the Imperial Germans had made it during WW1, not only did they not have the equipment to move such huge stone's into place but even today we would probably not be able to unless they were made of a geopolymer of some kind and if so then why the join's between the perfectly places but heavily eroded and pitted stones, a casual look at the site on Google earth will be enlightening for the sharp eyed observer as there are suggestions despite the heavily built up area around the ancient stip of other smaller strips nearby that possibly could be from the early 20th century but are likely very much older and just needing a bit of excavation to look at them.

There is a similar case in Turkey, a swampy area were a pre-existing strip existed but was not suitable for landing as the ANCIENT concrete had turned to sand and gravel, still this two meter + footing was later used with EU money to build a huge modern airfield over the site once again hiding the site from modern curiosity seekers.

If you have patience with old satellite images, the compression algorithm used in things like Google earth today is hiding many of these crop and grass marks from being seen but you will find on older less compressed high resolution images things like CITY sized grid's, shapes suggestive of huge buried hydroelectric damn's that if real must be ancient - One I spent ages puzzling over as a younger man was in the Amazon and the Bow of the dam if that is what it was being the wrong way for holding water flowing from the Andes and suggestive that it once damned a huge river flowing TOWARD the Andes.

The world is full of curiosity's, idiots like to claim it is all seekers seeing sheep in clouds but in fact they are wrong, the human mind CAN misinterpret but in fact we are DESIGNED to observe and to recognize.

My personal belief is that our Civilization is FAR FROM the only one to have ever developed technology and most probably also far from the most advanced to have existed on our planet or in our solar system.

Many artefacts are found and vanish, anything truly ground breaking, ancient technology etc ancient technology or even devices would have long ago been moved to secret research facility's or else been hidden away by cults and secret organizations for there own power, knowledge, secrets and power go hand in hand.

Another favourite though sadly the one guy doing research has now passed away is the Ural Spirals.

Nano Technology that is at least half a million years old (odd was not that the same age about of the Coso Geode, fake or not that is eerie).

Bucket teeth are not made
Out of aluminum. Made from steel.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Bucket teeth are not made
Out of aluminum. Made from steel.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yeah, could be modern with a weird circumstance that accelerated patina formation, or not, but why do people always gallop to ETs?

What about preexisting terrestrial civilizations?

The "truth" possibly involves both old human civs, catastrophes and a couple ETs, here and there, but geez.

originally posted by: wrkn4livn
Bucket teeth are not made
Out of aluminum. Made from steel.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

In almost all cases that makes sense however it is not actually true, Aluminium alloy and other metals are used for moving large amounts of flammable materials such as fertilizer etc were it would be dangerous to use Iron or Steel, it as an argument does however point out how even less likely it is to find such a Specialist bucket tooth randomly with the far more common cast steel being far more likely to be found.

But think about this, if a builder was clearing ground for a house.

1 He would not want his work interrupted by pesky archaeologists, sad but true a lot of history has been lost because of this.
2 He would assume that cables, modern looking rusted or decayed metal, old pipes and even building remains were probably modern so would just regard them as junk and shovel them aside (I wonder how many times something like that has happened), I remember hearing about a well made tile floor found somewhere in the US when a mall was being built on what was assumed to be virgin ground, it was a few feet beneath the old surface and discovered as they levelled the area for building the mall and car parking area, before it could be looked at the site was simply bulldozed and built over but the few that saw it said it was made up of well made closely fitting tiles.
Then there are all the tales of miners finding things such as a 286 million year old wall down a coal mine in Oklahoma.

Chariot or Cart wheels fossilized in Lime Stone down a mine.

During WW2 a group of Partisans took shelter in a cave and one of them went exploring, according to the story he went very deep into the cave which was limestone and found embedded something that looked like what he described as a black metallic silo, he was able to squeeze through some stalagmites that had almost completely blocked a hole in the side and despite the flow of lime deposit within found a lime covered grating in the floor and could hear a feint hum coming from somewhere below and feel a slight draught, so ancient object embedded in limestone?, a hidden but apparently ancient yet still at least partially working despite the deposits and lack of maintenance ventilation system?.

There is more in heaven and earth?.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Both of those stories have more holes than swiss cheese and are laughable. I'll bite anyway, I can get to Oklahoma, where is the wall exactly?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I am quite partial to swiss cheese or any cheese with holes for the most part, I like Dutch as well.

So other than making me hungry and laugh at that inane attempt to mock the point I was making and to distract from it I am not stateside and added them as anecdotal account's.

However on the off chance you can get down the former deepest mine on earth (At the time or at least one of them) finding a working elevator after it has been closed off for about a century now and then find the face were they were working here is the account and name of the mine.

www.hecklerspray.com...

Then again you are of the ilk that claim that Rockwall of the Town of Rockwall in Texas is a natural formation yet have NEVER dug it up, NEVER probably been there etc and while yes it could be natural that is one weird formation but despite claims of the magnetic alignment of the stone I doubt it is natural.

Please post some photos when you get there, I doubt very much that mine is even accessible and even if you could get access to the upper levels the lower ones have probably long ago flooded out or else compressed as the supports have aged and collapsed.

Photos or you never were there.

a reply to: anonentity



Yes , it Occured During Aiuds Akward Teenage Years . Some of his So Called " Friends " Showed Him a New Way to Put his Trousers On . Oh , and I do not Know what That THING Is .................)

a reply to: LABTECH767

So it's there, they went public saying it's there, they have proof that would forever alter the world and ensure their fame forever .. but they will only tell you about it and refuse to show anyone.

Makes perfect sense.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Photos or you never were there.

My thoughts exactly, give me the proof they were there and it exists, maybe just one of the magic blocks?

a reply to: Alien Abduct


Duralimium is 94 percent aluminum and 4 percent copper with a bit of magnesium. The wedge is a more complicated alloy.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I can second the tile story from OK.

My anthropology T.A., back in the 80's, told me about that incident from his boyhood, i.e. a large construction project found some acres of modern looking tiles in a place with no recorded modern (or Amerindian) constructions when they were digging the foundation hole.. .some amount of feet down.. .like 20? I cannot remember whether it was a mall , or not, though, but as he said "acres of modern looking tiles" a mall is a good guess. I suppose the story made it's way to some publication or other.

Some locals grabbed some of the tiles and he said his family home had some on display in his living room. The find was disposed of to keep the project on time and under budget.

Also, on one of those "mystery history" shows, Scot Wolker (sp?) looked at the Texas rockwall and asserted that it is, in fact, natural. In his opinion as a tv geologist, of course.

I still think the "hundreds of miles" of old roads, canals and overgrown constructions (and pottery dating to at least 8000 yrs b.p.) in the swamps and jungles of Guyana or the "city" off the Southwest coast of Cuba 1000 ft down might be good "smoking guns" for previous civilizations, though.

a reply to: Baddogma

From the year eighteen sixty-nine to nineteen sixty-nine is just the lifetime of many people. The time it took to go from horse-drawn carts to the moon. This could have happened many times in the past in fact there is a higher probability of this happening than not. What was the stimulus that caused it? most likely individual self-improvement caused by a growing merchant class. To put it simpler many people realizing that being rich was better than being poor.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Alien Abduct


Duralimium is 94 percent aluminum and 4 percent copper with a bit of magnesium. The wedge is a more complicated alloy.

Good point, and a very important one in regards to this wedge. Common manufacturing with alloys for industry never have this many elements in an aluminum alloy. The zirconium and cobalt among a few others are completely out of place for any modern aluminum alloy.

The contents of this piece don't fit the global ANSI standards for aluminum alloys that's for sure. One key among many to solving this mystery in my opinion would be an isotopic ratio test of every element in this material.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Gothmog

True but wasn't there a Belt buckle made from aluminum found in a Chinese general's tomb. Not to mention the chromium found on the swords from the buried army.
None of the modern excavator tips for sale on Ali Baba look anything like it.www.alibaba.com... vLV2s&s=p

OOPARTs or something got dropped ?

a reply to: Baddogma

Thank you for that, I will also accept your point about Rockwall but to me it still remains enigmatic and the second of these two links offers some interesting observations, natural formation possibly purposed by man?.

The first article appears to try to stay objective and fall on the side of accepting the dominant expert opinion (which is probably right but does not discount the interesting observation made in the second article that it may have been a natural formation made us of by Man which of course if the date is correct is then problematic for some as it pushes man back not only earlier but before modern man was supposed to exist?)
texashillcountry.com...
earthmysterynews.com...

Any idea how much it weighs?