Dark Journalist - CIA UFO Narrative.

originally posted by: Sublant
And just for the record, DJ believes very strongly in the ETH.

That certainly appears to be very true, since he talks about the Pleadians and the grays quite seriously at an hour and 52 minutes in his video in the OP.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
I didnt watch the video in the OP, as Im currently binging on other UFO docs.

But Im sorry, if you are supporting the Psyop, or falso flag, or "control" narrative.. I cant sign up for that.

If youre not then thank you for posting.


Theyre real, theyre here, our government has known about them for a long time, and has a lot of info..

and Elizondo, Mellon, and others are honestly trying to get the gov to come clean and have been lightweight successful

they have no other agenda other than disclosure

Its our job to assist in mounting public pressure.

I can only agree with maybe half of what Dark Journalist says. The half I agree with is that the CIA has lied before and that's not even in question, they admit it. So it's no stretch to claim they or their mouthpieces are spreading their sanctioned lies now. But as I said in my previous post, I think Greenewald's idea that they are doing it to "muddy the water" is more plausible than DJ's idea that it's to control us. DJ does make a lot of good points about how heavy the TTSA organization was with intel folks, but the TTSA TV show was ranked 50th in its time slot so it was a failure and now it's just Elizondo and Mellon running the OP, they don't seem to need TTSA or DeLonge anymore.

As Sublant says, DJ does believe in ETs and even talks about how the Pleadians met with a former president, etc, so, he would like to get real disclosure of the ET presence, but, that's not what were getting in this psy-op. So I think Dark Journalist would agree with you that "Theyre real, theyre here, our government has known about them for a long time, and has a lot of info..", so you might be more aligned with his thoughts than you think. I can't prove that's not the case, it's just that it's an extraordinary claim and the evidence for that is far less than extraordinary to me.

originally posted by: Caver78

I've never accepted the UAP moniker, but it's nice to know there are concrete reasons to avoid it like the plague. Also fairly cheered out loud as DJ described the released video's as less than anything optimum.

Good to see you mate, looks like the UAP term was being used as far back as 1964 in British DI55 files (contradicting Pope's claims about Condign) but certainly agree about its current promotion and the questionable, low quality footage - also really do wonder why there's been no mention of other gun camera UFO footage.

originally posted by: Caver78

Have to say I'm a fan of DJ's straightforward no nonsense delivery and his critical thinking skills. It's absolutely refreshing. No cheesey music, no goofy intro graphics an no irrelevant dialog. Also appreciate he sources his information not wasting my time with sheer opinion.

Yes some very refreshing commentary and whilst not agreeing on everything would say there's an awful lot of truth stated in that first vid regarding AATIP and alphabet agency agendas.

Not that long ago (and courtesy of the CIA) pilots who went public with UFO sightings were being threatened with up to 10 years imprisonment and we were also being informed that UFO research was a subversive act so I guess there has been some progress.

originally posted by: Caver78

Taking in the facts as laid out, my prior disgust with more of the old guard trotted out with TTSA & it's subsequent attempted reinventions, Lou's complete failure to come off as any kind of Erin Brockavich in any interview written or live and now 70+ years later any agency expects us to believe UFO's are a threat now when they've never not been a potential threat all along?
SERIOUSLY????!!!!

Would speculate that certain groups have been planning to hijack the UFO phenomenon for quite a while now and they may well believe that people are that credulous (and they may well be right).

Don't know if there's an 'event' in the works but if the premise is correct and their intention is to instill fear of UFOs/USOs into the general populace on a massive scale then it should be a pretty wild ride.

Always did find it interesting that the Rockefellers heavily studied the mass psychological effects of the Orson Welles’ Martian invasion broadcast on October 30th, 1938 - also thought Corbett raised some other important points in the link below.


• How to Fake an Alien Invasion (Video)

• Early “Psychological Warfare” Research and the Rockefeller Foundation

originally posted by: Sublant

CIA has lied about just about everything at some point in our history.

Yes, there's a big whopper right here.

On the general subject of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), there is no organized CIA effort to do research in connection with UFO phenomena, nor has there been an organized effort to collect intelligence on UFOs since the 1950s.

CIA Says, "No UFO Investigation Since The '50's!"

Here's Gersten countering it and discussing legal action (also lawsuits brought against the NSA).






This one about their aircraft being responsible for 1950's UFO sightings also has some rather massive holes in it.


Link / Post

originally posted by: Sublant

That does not mean, that CIA World Factbook is wrong about things

No of course not but hey this is a conspiracy forum.

In pursuit of their own endgames I'm sure they're insanely competent analysts.

Do you honestly think they would inform the general public of their findings?

originally posted by: Sublant

And just for the record, DJ believes very strongly in the ETH.

Yes reckon everybody who watches the video will understand that.

Re-post

Came across this....and struck me as odd.

Source: www.seattletimes.com...

“I’ve seen some of those videos from Navy pilots,”Brennon said, “and I must tell you that they are quite eyebrow-raising when you look at them.” He added, “I think some of the phenomena we’re going to be seeing continues to be unexplained and might, in fact, be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.”

These words specifically “we’re going to be seeing”.

In what context and manner is he saying those words? I see those words as future tense, not past or present tense. After all, we already have been seeing the phenomenon.

Could “we’re going to be seeing” mean in the context of presenting the upcoming June report to the Senate?

Or, perhaps it was a Freudian Slip of future tense, meaning manufactured UFO CIA Psyops yet to come?

Interesting wording to say the least....

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268

Or did they find something in Antarctica or the Cuban hotzone? Maybe.

Some interesting conjecture in that post mate - would say Puerto Rico's Mona Channel is also a contender.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268

We can look at a technocrazy (pun) agenda to enslave everyone into a Brave New World agenda.

Why? To control the world and everyone? What then?

Am also liking that pun and do reckon the folks pushing it really are crazy - there's a few predictions here about 'humanity 2.0' but genuinely have no idea about the desired result (perhaps we could ask the lunatics at Bilderberg and Davos).

Don't know if you caught Corbett's report on the 'fake alien invasion' narrative but thought there was some interesting info about 'global religion; global finance and global government, uniting the world around a perceived alien threat'.

Also some revealing info about the Clinton's involvement and Laurance Rockefeller.

So you might fruitfully ask “Are there any connections between the Rockefellers and this idea of faking an alien invasion or an alien presence of some sort?” 


Video

Also some possibly related info here about Lawrence Rockefeller's involvement with the (still semi restricted) second panel of the 'Special Studies Project' directed by Henry Kissenger.

Interesting to see that Edward Teller was also one of the panelists as his name pops up in UFO research quite a bit.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

Yes, not buying what the CIA is selling is something we can agree on, Greenewald certainly doesn't buy it either. In regard to why they are doing it, I can't say I know for sure. It would be interesting if anything DJ says comes to pass for the things you just summarized, but if I have to guess the why, I'm leaning more toward Greenewald's speculation that it's a "muddy the waters" strategy, to populate the field with so much nonsense like the batman balloon and "pyramid UFO" that people will tend to dismiss any future reports they hear as more nonsense crap like the batman balloon or "pyramid" that's just bokeh.

That's a distinct possibility mate and can see how muddying the 'officially released' data stream would be a very effective strategy (especially combined with unprecedented corporate media / search engine promotion) - think that's what I'd do if I wanted to manipulate public perception and create the correction of public opinion.

The distraction potential might also be a factor and really wouldn't put anything past these agencies when it comes to discombobulation of the UFO issue (and do wonder why they expend so much time and effort).

The National Archives and Records Administration secretly agreed to a covert effort, led by the Air Force, the CIA, and other still-hidden intelligence entities, to remove open-shelf archival records and reclassify them while disguising the results so that researchers would not complain, according to a previously secret Memorandum of Understanding..

link

As well as the vid we're referring to also thought Greenewald raised some intriguing points about the historical parrallels in this one.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

Came across this....and struck me as odd.


“I’ve seen some of those videos from Navy pilots,”Brennon said, “and I must tell you that they are quite eyebrow-raising when you look at them.” He added, “I think some of the phenomena we’re going to be seeing continues to be unexplained and might, in fact, be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.”

Good catch there amigo and certainly an interesting choice of words - also rather interesting that John Brennan has now admitted the CIA was actually spying on, monitoring and hacking U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee members.

Don't know if it was for future leverage (and it's a bit cringeworthy) but here he is lying about it to Alan Greenspan's wife at the Council On Foreign Relations.







Don't know how true it is but have also read that some of the most vocal Senate UFO committee members (like Marco Rubio, Mark Warner and Martin Heinrich) have rather close and curious connections to George Soros.

That's interesting as along with Rothschild, Rockefeller, Kissenger and Brzezinski it looks like Soros is heavily involved in the global technocracy agenda.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Unearthly people, if you are reading this. Can you please just land your ships and make contact to the human race already.
We are ready, we can handle the truth, we are not going to panic and freak out. We just want disclose and meet our space friends.

They aren't from space.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268
If particular "authorities" have done something unfriendly to the "aliens", then they probably don't want to admit their mistake.

If so, then it would follow that the "authorities" would like the people to believe the "aliens" don't exist or are a threat to everyone.

Otherwise the people would tell the "authorities" to apologize to the "aliens" and fix the mess they created.

To arms! We face a common threat to all humanity!

Yeah right . . .

I've never thought of this but this is brilliant. Well said. I agree this might be true to some degree. I also think the main factor is the US Government has a long history of white Christian Conservatives and all those ideologies play a major role in the cover up, IMO.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
I didnt watch the video in the OP, as Im currently binging on other UFO docs.

But Im sorry, if you are supporting the Psyop, or falso flag, or "control" narrative.. I cant sign up for that.

If youre not then thank you for posting.


Theyre real, theyre here, our government has known about them for a long time, and has a lot of info..

and Elizondo, Mellon, and others are honestly trying to get the gov to come clean and have been lightweight successful

they have no other agenda other than disclosure

Its our job to assist in mounting public pressure.

I agree with you, it's definitely the people mounting pressure. I feel the whole they pose a threat they pitched years ago was more reverse psychology to get the government to open up? Could be...but I don't agree with they pose a threat agenda, that needs to be fought as well. ET are very peaceful.

Thanks for posting this video I'm going to listen to it today. I think changing it from flying to arial makes sense, are these things actually "flying"?Same goes with it being an "object". These "objects" are noted to perform out of this world maneuvers so calling it a Phenomenon makes sense. The term UFO has roots prior to flying saucers correct? It's a military pilot term? The upgrade is weird but can be understood.

I don't buy into the project blue beam hypothesis, but I wouldn't put it past the government to try. If they did I predict a UAP will be by some air craft carrier near San Diego, we'll engage and fire at it. The UAP will then respond blowing up an entire aircraft carrier to dust, mass casualties etc. Then the war will start against UAP's.

The problem is, every scientist in the world is going to want to study debris, and if no one can, and the government keeps it all off limits, no one is going to believe anything. I really think we are at a point when the truth must be revealed. It's way too hard to fake we are not alone in the Universe. That would be just silly for them to try. So that leaves us with one conclusion, the UFOs are real and not from Earth.

originally posted by: game over man

The term UFO has roots prior to flying saucers correct? It's a military pilot term?

Thanks for the post mate, apparently there's some mystery as to the origin of the acronym but Ruppelt is known for popularizing it.

Some mystery exists as to the origin of that name, but it is known that Ruppelt was the individual responsible for popularizing the acronym "UFO." Ile disliked the more sen- sational phrase, "flying saucer" and understood that Intelligence was dealing with a complex situation if not a real phenomenon.

The Forgotten Correspondence Of Edward J Ruppelt (PDF File)

It also came after 'flying discs / saucers' although the term still pops up quite a bit in government documentation.

originally posted by: game over man

I don't buy into the project blue beam hypothesis, but I wouldn't put it past the government to try.

Yep like it says in the Corbett vid, the only alleged info we have about PBB all sources back to just one French Canadian journalist.

Having said that there is some really intriguing info in there about the USAF's 'Airborne Holographic Projector' and touchable hologram technology.

In the vid below Vallee also discusses Whitehouse plans (uncovered during the Watergate investigations) which involved submarines 'painting holograms' in the skies over Cuba.

See 5:50

A bit wild but this PDF file also speculates about some pretty freaky global reports.


Holograms And High Strangeness - Scott Corales (PDF File)

a reply to: karl 12

On the subject of holograms, I've had two oddities along that line show up at home.

The first was about January this year. Woke up about two in the morning with (manageable) bodily terror and a pain focused in the chest like needles. Looked towards the window and there was a "gremlin" plastered splayed on the glass. It was maybe two or three feet tall.

I just watched it for a while and then it did something odd as it disappeared. It pixelated.

About the seventeenth of February this:

Standing at my kitchen bench, looking down at my cell phone as it lay upon the bench, the 3D bust of a "grey" appeared about six inches from my face. Very fine detail right down to the minute creases in the skin. Oddly enough the detail was better than my eye-glasses have ever achieved. The round eyes were closed and each was about three inches across. The forehead was lower than a human's and the face was slightly reminiscent of a chimpanzee.

I watched it for a while. Then it disappeared and reappeared in exactly the same position and began revolving clockwise on the horizontal, perhaps a 120 degree arc. It repeated this perhaps six times and disappeared.

Some impressive technology out there. The question for me is who's technology.

Edit to add: Since the bust appeared I got a look through 3D gamer's headgear. The same slightly over emphasized 3D feel.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268


Got to be a bit of synchronicity there mate as was just reading this.

The potential tactical benefits of holograms are certainly promising and understandable. Imagine if it were possible to beam the image of some religious figure, or fully believable ghosts, goblins, and other assorted creatures for that matter at the enemy, and the confusion, panic and fear this would cause..

Quite a thought provoking article and it also mentions the March 31st, 1997 'Defense Week' report describing the creation of an entire (unnamed) USAF division dealing with psychological operations and 3D holographic projections.

Such things as projecting 'the face of an angry God' over the battlefield are mentioned and apparently the division was headed by Lt Col Jimmy Miyamoto (and their operating code is AF/XOIOW).

Also brought up is a 1999 WP article describing official USAF 'SPM' research programmes involved with projecting images from space.

In a 1994 article of Defense Week, there was also talk of the Pentagon engaging in experiments with so-called “futurewar” tactics, such as computer warfare and holograms for military purposes. The article mentioned that the military had been considering holograms for inclusion as a non-lethal form of combat and that there were various “black projects” pursuing this.

In 1999 there was also a Washington Post report on the US Air Force’s research program to develop a holographic projector as an instrument of psychological warfare, also called “strategic perception management,” which would be used to “project information power from space… for special operations deception missions.” There has been some conspiracy speculation that this is precisely the reason why the U.S. has so many satellites in space; for the purpose of creating a sort of 3D projection system by beaming images off of each other to create realistic 360 degree illusions, essentially an enormous 3D theater, with some even suggesting the possibility for technology enabling the recreation of physical sensations to flesh out the detail, such as sound, light, heat, and even smell. One 1999 Air Force Manual purportedly writes of the device thus:

The holograph projector plays a three-dimensional visual image in a desired location, removed from a display generator. The projector can be used for psychological operations and strategic perception management. It is also useful for optical deception, and cloaking, providing a momentary distraction when engaging an unsophisticated adversary. And it has capabilities for precision projection of three-dimensional visual images into a selected area. Supports Psy-Op and strategic deception management and provides deception and cloaking against optical centers.

Holograms and the World of the Weird

Don't know if you caught the March 2003 Fate Magazine article below but it is increasingly difficult to find on the web so probably worth a save.

It gives more info on the USAF division and relates some incredibly strange events from Cuba in 1982 and from around an Argentinian Naval base in 2000.


Holograms And High Strangeness - Scott Corales (PDF File)

Also some relevant info below on CIA perception management and their involvement with anti-UFO documentaries and UFO reports placed in 'The National Enquirer'.

a reply to: karl 12

I've already downloaded that PDF from your link above. Thanks for that Karl.

I'll add that the "gremlin on the window" was a rather crude in comparison to the "3D bust of a grey".

The "grey's" eyes were closed and the thing seemed to be running a test or calibration. My guess is if the eyes were open, someone on the other end would be looking at the interior of my kitchen. If I were to make an educated opinion on the encounter I would say someone has some pretty sophisticated 3D headsets that project to a location. The observer would probably have a headset where they would see the target in 3D. Remote Viewing technology is my guess.

That the image appeared at that distance to my face is interesting, perhaps a coincidence, maybe something more.

Why they are picking on me is another question.

More recently I watched little fellas in the darkness moving about while laying in bed. They disappeared when I moved and grabbed my phone to turn on the torch and take a picture. As they moved closer to me a severe tingling moved up my legs in direct relation to their approach. So that may have been a field of some sort.

Weird stuff for sure. I'll bet it is common too.

Edit to add: The little CIA video about the "Enquirer" - that is so sneaky.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268

The little CIA video about the "Enquirer" - that is so sneaky.

Nice one mate and after reading historical and global reports (particularly from South America) then would say it is pretty common.

Definitely agree about that sneaky aspect and can't think of a better way to marginalize emerging UFO reports - also helps to cement into the public consciousness the idea is just silly tabloid nonsense.

May be a bit boring for some but when it comes to globalist long term agendas there could be some relevant info below for thread discussion.

The vid deals with Bertrand Russell's book 'The Impact Of Science On Society' and apparently there's an absolute need for an 'external enemy' to unite an emerging world government.

Also looks like technocrats like Kissenger and Brzezinski are big fans of the 'uniting external enemy' concept.

See 3:20

"The Public Couldn't Handle The Truth" is the excuse I often read about why the Governments of the World won't disclose UFO info. We've seen so many movies over decades about aliens (both good and bad) that I don't think anyone gives a hearty hoot. For better or worse, intentional or non-, we've been conditioned.

But what if it were proven that the Humanity evolved from aliens and not God? Can you imagine the worldwide turmoil that would result if every the basis for every religion was thrown out?! The combined Police and Military would be overwhelmed.

Zecharia Sitchin wrote many books about this hypothesis. Lazar (www.stealthskater.com... ) said that as part of his (and others) indoctrination, he read many briefings about aliens including one that alleged that there were 60-or-so DNA "manipulations" made over 10,000 years. He quickly conceded, however, that this was just ink-on-paper without any evidence (unlike the disc that he saw operate with his own eyes).

Of the physicists that I've talked with (who weren't reluctant to talk about the subject), none of them thought that spacecraft from distant star systems were visiting Earth. However, some were very recipient to the idea of "time travel" such as Macroscopic Quantum Tunneling/Entanglement (www.stealthskater.com... ). Dan Sherman's Project Preserve Destiny comms said that they "didn't travel through time as that was impossible. Rather, they 'evaded' time (whatever that means)." (www.stealthskater.com... )

I always thought it puzzling that national nuclear facilities like Oak Ridge, Brookhaven, Hanover, and Los Alamos now were doing top-secret medical research. One would think that would fall under the auspices of the CDC. Could MQT-type technology (or even Philadelphia Experiment / Montauk www.stealthskater.com... ) have dangerous effects on "normal" human biology requiring a "hybrid" entity to be created?

a reply to: karl 12

Bertrand Russell is a name I haven't heard for a long long time. Actually read the entire volume History of Western Philosophy (never again). He is an intelligent man. These blokes also believe in their philosophies as the right thing to do. I wouldn't want to live in their world though.

I wonder why anyone would altruistically bother to go to the trouble of a one world government

Unless they had a reason.

a reply to: stealthskater

I always thought it puzzling that national nuclear facilities like Oak Ridge, Brookhaven, Hanover, and Los Alamos now were doing top-secret medical research. One would think that would fall under the auspices of the CDC. Could MQT-type technology (or even Philadelphia Experiment / Montauk www.stealthskater.com... ) have dangerous effects on "normal" human biology requiring a "hybrid" entity to be created?

Just conjecture on my part here.

Say a flying saucer actually crashed back in the late 1940s. If there were suspected radiation effects the scientists at Hanford would be the experts. Hanford is where the flying saucer would logically go.

As soon as someone realized the implications of the technology, I think it would become another Manhattan Project very quickly. Especially the secrecy. Biologicals would be a huge part of the project. Especially if the saucer is "living" and thought controlled. How do you operate one of those? Grow your own hybrid operators? biological countermeasures in case the aliens are hostile? The Admiral Byrd scenario perhaps?

In that scenario, the CIA would be working for the new Manhattan project.

a reply to: karl 12


Dark journalist has went off the rails...ill still listen when he bring joseph Farrell on but other than that dude is just pushing an agenda like everyone else and is part of the problem