Time of the Abomination of Desolation

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
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abomination of desolation

"Abomination of desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel describing the pagan sacrifices with which the 2nd century BCE Greek king Antiochus IV replaced the twice-daily offering in the Jewish temple, or alternatively the altar on which such offerings were made.
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The Hebrew nouns sheʹqets (loathsome thing) and shiq·qutsʹ (disgusting thing) come from the root sha·qatsʹ, used in the sense of “loathe” (Le 11:11, 13) and, in the causative form, ‘make loathsome.’ (Le 11:43; 20:25) These Hebrew terms refer to that which is repugnant from the standpoint of Jehovah’s true worship. They are commonly rendered by such words as “abominate,” “abominable,” or “abomination” in many translations. This has resulted in the well-known expression “abomination of desolation.” (Da 11:31; 12:11, KJ)

‘Disgusting Things Leading to Desolation.’ Daniel’s prophecy foretold “disgusting things” associated with desolation. (Da 9:27) The popular view has generally followed early Jewish tradition in applying this expression to the profanation of Jehovah’s temple at Jerusalem in the year 168 B.C.E. by Syrian King Antiochus IV (Epiphanes). Attempting to stamp out the worship of Jehovah, Antiochus built an altar over the great altar of Jehovah and sacrificed upon this a pig to the Olympian Zeus (Jupiter). An expression like that of Daniel (associating disgusting things with desolation) appears in the Apocryphal book of 1 Maccabees (1:54) as applying to this event.

But this was only the Jewish interpretation of matters, not an inspired revelation. Christ Jesus showed this view to be in error when he gave the warning to his disciples: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains.” (Mt 24:15, 16) These words show that “the disgusting thing that causes desolation” was not then past but future.

The pagan desecration of the temple altar by Antiochus, however disgusting in God’s sight, did not result in desolation​—for Jerusalem, for the temple, or for the Jewish nation. But 33 years after Jesus’ death, Christians did “catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation . . . standing in a holy place.” (Mt 24:15) In 66 C.E. pagan Roman armies surrounded “the holy city” Jerusalem, now the center of Jewish revolt against Rome. Thus, the ‘causing of desolation’ by the disgusting thing was imminent, and so this was the final signal for discerning Christians to ‘flee to the mountains.’ (Mt 4:5; 27:53; 24:15, 16; Lu 19:43, 44; 21:20-22) Following their flight, the desolation of the city and nation occurred, Jerusalem being destroyed in the year 70 C.E., and the last Jewish stronghold, Masada, falling to the Romans in 73 C.E.​—Compare Da 9:25-27.

Additional prophecies of a disgusting thing. It should be noted, however, that Daniel 11:31-35 and 12:9, 11 connect a ‘disgusting thing causing desolation’ with “the time of the end.” It is reasonable that the development of this latter expression of ‘the disgusting thing causing desolation’ in the time of the end should follow the general pattern of that in the first century C.E., though not being restricted to the land of Israel.

Jerusalem’s desolation in 70 C.E. brought the end of the “holy place,” Jerusalem, “the holy city.” (Mt 27:53) However, the Scriptures direct our attention to a “heavenly Jerusalem,” the Messianic Kingdom, which is represented on earth by anointed Christians. (Heb 12:22) There are also others that falsely claim to represent that Kingdom, and Revelation chapter 17 shows that their religious field of operations will be desolated by the “ten horns” (kings) of a symbolic “wild beast.”

Disgusting Things of Babylon the Great. In the prophetic vision of Revelation 17, the symbolic immoral woman, Babylon the Great, is depicted. She is called “the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.” She holds a golden cup ‘full of the disgusting things of her fornication with the kings of the earth.’ Though she curries the favor of the earthly kingdoms, sitting on top of a symbolic wild beast composed of such kingdoms, the time comes when this “beast” refuses to carry her, turns on her, and completely desolates her.​—See Babylon the Great (Insight on the Scriptures).

Any possibility that persons continuing in the practice of a “disgusting thing” might gain entrance into the “New Jerusalem,” the Lamb’s chaste “bride” class, is ruled out at Revelation 21:9, 10, 27.

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originally posted by: Gothmog
The "abomination of desolation" is for when the anti-christ stands on the Temple Mount and proclaims himself "king of kings , lord of lords" . The time when the anti-christ will become known to the people.

This is my exact understanding and has been for decades.

The Jews that missed their Messiah, are still bound by the law. I dont think God has a problem with the sacrifice of a Red Hefer, although he may have a problem with the people performing the sacrifice. And it really wont do anything anyway.

Remember how evil the Jews were toward Yeshua? He even called them a generation of vipers, if I remember correctly. BUT, remember what he said on the cross? " Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". I love my kids, even when they were bad, and I didnt want anyone else spanking them. Thats his kids. Dont mess with them.

My pops(( Genius research scientist, Director) and I have looked at this for close to 50 years, and have been all over the map, but finally received enough information to decide that it is not likely that we will be here to see who Baraq is ( sorry, I had to throw that in there. I found it to be true that Christ did say, in Aramaic " and I beheld Satan fall to earth as Baraq. ( Lightning strike) He actually said Baraq's name). Strongs concordance has it all. You have to translate the word from Greek, to Aramaic in order to see, exactly what was said. I dont recal Jesus speaking Greek. It is true. Coincidence?


This is why I have been so excited. Our extensive calculations from long ago indicated that we would be in the sweet spot right about now. God uses whom ever he wishes to, even evil people such as Cyrus, and Donald Trump. He put Trump in, to hold back Satan until the appointed time. Then he allowed him to be removed by fraud from the other side.

Folks! This is it! There is a real good sweet spot between tomorrow 5-14-21 and Shavuot on 5-17-21/5-18-21. Pretty much everything you are seeing in the news right now is exactly what we were expecting . Right on time! There is a couple more sweet spots coming up this fall, in case God tarries.

I have already given instructions to people to come into my home and take what ever supplies are here. Hundreds of pounds of food here. Ive given instructions to certain people where the keys and combination for my safes.

You will see the conflict ramp up to frenzy in Israel, then war. Thats where your Antichrist pops up, to intervein, with a 7 year truce. ( I could see Joe sending Barack, but dads guess is possibly Macron) The Jews will love that freak, and think he is their Messiah. That all changes at the 3 1/2 year mark, and Israel comes under attack.

The antichrist then seats himself in the Holy of Holies, and thats when the Jews figure out who he is. They also realize that they missed the real Messiah, and weep for him, as their own lost child When Israel reaches a remnant of 144,000, God jumps into the fight. Thats when Ill be back too. To fight! ( I plan on being away for 7 years, at the Jubilee first)

During the 7 year tribulation, there will be plagues like crazy. People are going to wish they were dead. There will also things taking place that will be far more wild then you have seen in any sci fi show.

Those of you that plan on sticking around: I hope you know what to do, and stay strong, even unto death. Remember, God leads. Satan controls. God Bless

a reply to: Gothmog

Exactly!

a reply to: visitedbythem

I dont think God has a problem with the sacrifice of a Red Hefer

When the Temple is rebuilt for the last time it was foretold there would be a perfect sacrifice again.

I will reread the whole of your post tomorrow I skimmed tonight.

Disgusting Things of Babylon the Great. In the prophetic vision of Revelation 17, the symbolic immoral woman, Babylon the Great, is depicted. She is called “the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.”

The Vatican had decided to have a second headquarters in Jerusalem I remember reading.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

This is a REPLACEMENT sacrifice of Jesus and even building this alter is an affront, is it not? It causes spiritual Desolation.

a reply to: SeaWorthy



Mate Jews do not recognize Jesus as the messiah , so what there doing here is just another day for them.

It's just your sensitive Christian sensibilities that find this to be abominable , maybe you should travel and read a little .

Lol well we are not discussing my FEELINGS we are discussing bible prophecy!

a reply to: visitedbythem

I think that is pretty much the standard and accepted belief but, in prophecy nothing ever turns out the way we humans expect
Was expected to be a warrior king, turned out to be a meek, humble kind and loving man who placed others before Himself
As much as I hope that you are right in your prediction, got a feeling it’s going to be a little more messy and difficult than assumed.
As for fighting, thinks that’s for Jesus and His angels, not sure it’s the saints

And honestly, I don’t think the world is bad enough just yet, think a few years away before we see God’s justice bring about peace and rest

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Did the 70 Nations and the proposed new UN sign to obey Noahide Laws, rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime ?

I don't know, but in any case they're not in a position to enforce these things. They're just words.
Merely putting something in writing doesn't make it a reality.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: SeaWorthy

They don’t accept Christ, they are just practicing their faith
God left the Temple, God doesn’t reside there anymore, His Spirit left

I don’t see any drama, God resides in the hearts of humanity now, Christians are the temple
Israel is fallen, the Temple is empty
Christians have only the right to tell other Christians how to live, definitely not Jews
Jesus is personal, He came to set up His kingdom in people hearts, did you miss the memo.

It seems strange, you reverencing the Jewish temple when it holds no spiritual value in Christianity or am I missing something? Is that idol worship

Read the last 3 chapters of the book of Daniel. then get back to us.

a reply to: TruthJava

It’s a prophecy, it doesn’t reveal very much at all....unless you are a gnostic and can read hidden meaning
Not denying the end times are coming, probably soon

Or, are you trying to suggest that Israel has a role to play, well?
They don’t, outside of turning from the law to Jesus, being redeemed
On the cross, Jesus said “it is finished” that is deeper than you seem to comprehend

If you have secret knowledge, please share

a reply to: Raggedyman

Well, if you want the secret knowledge, here it is.

There's much going on under the surface. So to start this let's go to Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks or the 490 year prophecy.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Broken down it's 7 weeks of years or 49 years, then a pause, Then 62 weeks or 434 years then a pause, then 1 week.

Now, did the one week happen? No and here's why. Put simply in the book of Hosea there is a prophecy called the day of Jezreel. And per the prophecy it states that Israel and Judah were to face a long term top level Leviticus 26 curse. But in verse 6-2 it gives the timeline of the curse. 2 days in the presence of the Lord. Which according to Psalms 90 and 2nd Peter 3-8 those days are 1000 year periods of time.

Israel and Judah were to face a 2000 year curse before the 70 weeks prophecy could consummate. So after the 434 years comes the 2000 year curse and the last week of 7 years comes at the end of the curse. When is then followed by the 1000 year "day of Jezreel" or 1000 year reign of the saints from Revelation.

So to put it all simply the 70 weeks prophecy never ended. The 2000 year curse hasn't finished yet either. The first century Apocalypse never ended!

But it looks like it's about to end in the next 7 to 10 years. And that's why the op's confused. It's not over yet.

Oh, and why is this hidden knowledge?

Isaiah 6
8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

Curses make you stupid. And are supposed to be veiled to those affected by them. Even now, you were not supposed to know about the curse until after it was over.

The flashing lights, the rushing of the wind. Stigmata. It was quite the experience cracking hidden knowledge. : )

a reply to: SeaWorthy

The temple sacrifices continued for some time after Jesus had died.

Also, the early Christians in Jerusalem congregated in the temple and probably kept up their expected regular sacrifices, at least until Peter's vision of the sheet indicated that Christians were not under obligation to follow the Hebrew traditions for sanctification.

The other thing is that there is probably far too much abstraction of meanings. I'm pretty sure that descriptions of things in the scriptures are fairly definite, not vague abstractions.

a reply to: ntech

Thanks, appreciate the reply, but...
It’s an interpretation, sounds feasible, again but...
Jesus left His community with one command, to go and love people

I think the signs are not quite there yet
I don’t see the issue with the sacrifice in the op either
All this Armageddon stuff is a bit disconcerting when Christians fail at the one request Jesus offered. That’s not hidden, went down that path myself

The Berisheet prophecy lays out the timeline. Then you go backwards from the end.
We are out of time. Remember what my family member did? That began the process toward Israel becoming a nation once again.

1948........And..... how long after they become a nation is left?

Things are going to get real bad real fast.

With important verses, go word by word, using definitions from strongs concordance, not the translations from the Catholics.

Times up, very shortly.

originally posted by: hiddeninsite
a reply to: Gothmog

Exactly!

Yes we will know when it happens, but some of us are old and hoping to see pre-signs in case we croak first!
I become every happy when I see very possible real signs of the end coming!

a reply to: visitedbythem

Well those interested probably are all having the same hope and that is that we will see a world ruled and judged by someone not corrupt and crooked, can't be blackmailed or bought and loves us all!

I hope we can manage to love one another.

originally posted by: visitedbythem


With important verses, go word by word, using definitions from strongs concordance, not the translations from the Catholics.

Times up, very shortly.

That's the problem with prophesy. Ever since the council of Nicea and the expulsion of the apocrypha, the Bible has been manipulated to mean what ever the rulling class wants it to mean.

And the translators of the NT weren't divinely inspired. They were directed to interpret the meaning by the politicians seeking control over the masses.


Total mess and imo most Bible scholars are full of rancid covfefe with their own agenda.

I for one can see how valuable the "end times" for political manipulation not salvation.

the Abomination of Desolation (of Daniel & Matthew) is most likely the Image to the Beast ~ found in Rev 13~)

the False Prophet makes the 'image-to-the-Beast ~then gives it breath to live & speak~

... and the Image itself is also called the Abomination-of-Desolation ~~

because it speaks/sees from the power of the False Prophet

the False Prophet uses the Image-for-Beast/Abomination-of-Desolation to cause everyone to receive the Mark-of-the-First Beast~ in hand or forehead....

Because the First Beast/AC recovered from fatal head wound & came-back-to-life, got resurrected...

the 2 beasts along with 'Image' AKA; Abomination ---> become the Triune Anti-Godhead --> Desolation


thats the short answer

a reply to: olaru12

The scrolls remain the same. I do read scripture from various Bibles, but tend to double check them against the original Hebrew and Greek words.

E-Sword works great. I also have a giant Strongs concordance.

Desolation is a state of mind, destruction refers to the temple not of stone, not of timber not built with hands but of the body of the believer or of the innocent and in collective, of the church, again, not built by man.

Desolation occurs with extreme trauma - the traumatised becoming isolated in their suffering - no recourse to succour, no healing, a dead existence.

Nothing to do with nations, politics, religion or any other false construct. Nothing to do with cows or alters or physical sacrifice of some critter or other. Everything to do with the destruction of innocence, of faith, of trust, of hope.