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originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: Harte
The point is, Byrd is quite knowledgeable about the ancient Levant, among other regions.
Contrast that with the complete and pure ignorance of other posters here concerning the same subject
Well really Byrd should be able show his/her brilliance about "other regions" then, but hasn't, because anyone could work out that succeeding cultures in the same area often borrow and use information from the previous ones.
It's not rocket science, no degree needed.
Claiming otherwise is beyond disengenious.
Your fixation on Byrd and unwillingness to directly address the actual topic of contention, just obvious evasiveness and proof of your dishonesty.
Sitting Gods (Most of Ophiuchus) The serpent-bodied men known as the Sitting and Standing Gods represent the ancestors of Enlil, the ultimate leader of the whole Babylonian pantheon. They dwell in the Sacred Mound, which is at once a burial mound and an image of the primeval earth. As such the serpent-bodied gods represent the dual powers of the earth as an abode of the dead and as the source of all earthly fertility.
According to Roman era mythography, the figure represents the healer Asclepius, who learned the secrets of keeping death at bay after observing one serpent bringing another healing herbs.
To the ancient Greeks, the constellation represented the god Apollo struggling with a huge snake that guarded the Oracle of Delphi.
Behind the serpent-bodied gods is the figure of Zababa. Very little is known about this ancient god beyond the fact he was a warrior god who was closely associated with the symbol of the eagle
Ishtar came down from heaven to seek a shepherd,
And sought for a king everywhere.
Inninna came down from heaven to seek a shepherd,
And sought for a king everywhere.
Enlil examined the dais of Etana,
The man whom Ishtar steadfastly... She has constantly sought....
"Let kingship be established in the land,
Let the heart of Kish be joyful"
Kingship, the radiant crown, throne [ ]
He (?) brought and [ ]
The gods of the lands....
Scorpio is associated with three different animals: the scorpion, the snake, and the eagle (or phoenix). The snake and eagle are related to the nearby constellations of Ophiuchus and Aquila.
uš2 "to shut off, block up" Akk. sekēru
Sumerian word for witchcraft, uš (pronounced “ush”). it’s basic meaning is “spittle,” or even “poison.
ush does basically mean “spittle” or “mucous” and is a word for “magical spell”. “To spit” is the verb phrase ush dug. The word ushzu, literally “knower of spells”, means “sorcerer”
The tree which the Eagle perched upon could relate to all medicinal herbal knowledge, particularly in Iranian tradition, so the knowledge of Soma would be an aspect, but the question remains of where was this Heaven, which required one to pass through the gates of the planets and Sun and Moon, to pass through the Solar system, to that place were the Divine Kingship originated.
vangr m (genitive vangs, plural vangar)
(poetic, especially in compounds) a garden, field, meadow
In Norse mythology, Fólkvangr (Old Norse "field of the host"[1] or "people-field" or "army-field"[2]) is a meadow or field ruled over by the goddess Freyja where half of those that die in combat go upon death, whilst the other half go to the god Odin in Valhalla. Others were also brought to Fólkvangr after their death
In chapter 24 of the Prose Edda book Gylfaginning, High tells Gangleri (described as king Gylfi in disguise) that Freyja is "the most glorious of the ásynjur", that Freyja has a dwelling in the heavens called Fólkvangr, and that "whenever she rides to battle she gets half of the slain
The Babylonian constellation IKU (field) had four stars of which three were later part of the Greek constellation Hippos (Pegasus)
Inguz, or Ingwaz as it is also known, is named after the divine hero Ing. Ing is often thought to be an earlier form of the better known god Freyr.
The Ing rune can be seen as both the devoured seed and the sacred seed through which life is reborn.
Inguz reminds us of our divine heritage.
Hero, lord of field and meadow, lion of the distant mountains! Ningiszida, who brings together giant snakes and dragons!
originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: Madrusa
If you are looking for a physical location for heaven related to the Annunaki, then Meru certainly isn't it as legends recount it as higher dimensional and totally inaccessible in a physical body.
Etana's and the eagle's second flight to heaven where "they went through the gate of Sin, Shamash, Adad and Ishtar" and bowed down together. As the last line of the piece is given as "He pushed it open [and went inside]" Dalley concludes that this second attempt at the heavens is successful and Etana receives the Plant of Life from Ishtar.
i was arriving at the same conclusion that the figure between Aquila and Ophiuchus originally represented Zababa God of Kish
LU-USH is more likely to represent the magical aspects of being an inter-mediary between Eagles and Serpents, a secret function, because as i mentioned early rulers included USH in their name, it won't have been in the sense of dead but more likely as sorcerer Kings.
Among the artifacts the Templars are said to have unearthed during their time on Temple Mount were the fabled Holy Grail, the Turin Shroud, the head of St. John the Baptist, the Spear of Destiny, the embalmed head of Jesus Christ and the location of the last resting place of the Ark of the Covenant, believed to be buried somewhere in modern-day Ethiopia.
According to contemporary accounts, the Babylonian Army destroyed the First Temple in 586 B.C. The ark of the covenant disappeared, possibly hidden from the conquerors. Following the conquest of Jerusalem by the Persians in 539 B.C., the Jews returned from exile and, according to the Book of Ezra, constructed a Second Temple on the site.
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: Madrusa
a reply to: Byrd
That comparison is ridiculous because Canada and Mexico are thousands of miles apart and unrelated cultures, Sumeria and Babylonia were the same place and had continuity of tradition, the terms considered are Sumerian rendered in Old Babylonian.
Hadrian was interested in Astrology so his choice wouldn't be arbitrary everything suggests he based it upon the Babylonian tradition which he'd have been very well informed of, what is obscure today could be more easily sourced then, the question has to be considered why he placed Antinous were he did and what were the aspects related to that region of the sky, because also some relationship to Zeus as an eagle abducting Ganymede.
LU-USH is Sumerian and can mean man- closed off/secret/dead and that was a Constellation next to Aquila, there has to be meaning to that so what would you suggest?
Byrd, a degreed Anthropologist, already told you the deal on this which you, in your utter ignorance, dismissed as "ridiculous."
Why should Byrd further engage with you in your ignorant ramblings and/or lego linguistics?
Harte
originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: LSU2018
Can't really help your ignorance.
Byrd's been here a loooong time. So have I.
You're a fool to assume that my support for Byrd is based on some degree.
However, you also seem to assert that there is NO knowledge about Anthropology gained by an individual that receives advanced degrees in Anthropology.
It's very convenient to hold that point of view once you realize how hard it is to learn actual stuff.
Harte
“Adad-apla-iddina, king of Babylon, made Emeteursaga (“House Worthy of the Hero”) shine.
The god Zababa (Enlil’s son) …”
, E-meteursang ( sum . É.me.te.ur.saĝ, transl. "A house worthy of a hero") [1] - in the New-Babylonian period (the time of Nebuchadnezzar II ) ceremonial name of the cella god Zababa in the temple of E-dub in the city of Kish [1] .
So the sign for Kish can be seen here among other City seals including the Pentagram for Uruk, i don't know how the Police think they carry the authority of Uruk...
I shall praise the good woman, the Utu of the Land, my goddess. Mother Bau's august minister, who creates life for the king! Holy messenger who brings the tablet of life down from the interior of heaven, who sets rain on its way from heaven, and brings forth abundance!
Protective Goddess of those who pray to Bau, ...... -- because you love mankind and rejoice at its gifts, let us forever praise you, the Beneficent Protective Goddess of Bau.
Good woman, prayerful lady for whom has been decreed the creation of life -- each day as she goes about, conversing, from early in the morning she is to be ...... at her side with honour. Your name fills the mouth like cakes, butter and cream. Whatever she brings from the street and the beer she brews are of the best quality. She instructs people to provide her with the best produce of her orchards. As a daily task, she inspects the shrine Jirsu. Daily she passes before you in radiance
Enlil, the king of all the foreign countries, Nunamnir, the lord who determines the fates, decreed something of great importance in the shrine Nibru, in Dur-an-ki: he made you exalted in the shining E-kur
Nunamnir, the prince of all the foreign countries, entrusted to you the exalted office of accountant of heaven and earth, and exalted you, giving you the rank of lady of the shrine which brought the seeds of mankind forth.
Your own father, An, the highest god, clothed you in the ma garment. He gave you the warrior of Enlil, Ninjirsu, as your husband. He bestowed on you the E-ninnu, the holy city, the shrine which brought forth the seeds of mankind
Supreme lady, whose divine powers are untouchable, daughter of An, omniscient great lady, young woman, mother Bau
Bau, in the E-tar-sirsir, founded for you by An, you decide the fate of all the countries; you, Bau, render verdicts and decree judgments.
in medical incantations, Bēlet or Balāti, also as the Azugallatu the "great healer" Other names borne by this goddess are Nin-Karrak, Nin Ezen, Ga-tum-dug and Nm-din-dug. Her epithets are "great healer of the land" and "great healer of the black-headed ones", a "herb grower", "the lady who makes the broken up whole again", and "creates life in the land", making her a vegetation/fertility goddess endowed with regenerative power
mul dGula, a goddess connected with mul uz3, and mulur.gi7 (“The Dog”) located in Hercules. In the eyes of ancient Mesopotamians, these constellations were bound by complex relationships that were changing in course of time. Gula was the goddess of the Goat constellation, and the Dog was a sacred animal of Gula. In the Neo-Assyrian period, Gula’s anthropomorphic image was considered to be a figure of the constellation muluz3,
Ninurta’s earliest name was Imdugud (now also read as Anzu), which means “Rain Cloud,” and his earliest form was that of the thundercloud envisaged as an enormous black bird floating on outstretched wings roaring its thunder cry from a lion’s head
Maybe the first inscription about plant of life is the Sumerian story of Inanna and the Huluppu Tree. The poem gives a mythic explanation of how the throne and the bed used in the "Sacred Marriage" came into existence.
Plant of life has been seen in ancient Mesopotamia with various features, like، palm, pomegranate, cedar, grapevine, etc. In the art of Assyrian period the tree has been transformed to an intricate type, which is formed with the parts of several different plants. In Egyptian mythology, Isis and Osiris were said to have emerged from the acacia tree of Iusaaset, which the Egyptians considered the tree of life, referring to it as the "tree in which life and death are enclosed
followed by materia medica to induce pregnancy (imhur-līm, ankinūtu, haluppu)
"If the same, you will collect sprout(s) from under the (plant of) myrtle
That comes out in the top of a mud wall; you will lay flat
And so you will speak, you will say:
"You have received your gift; (now) give me the plant of life.
That the woman so-an-so, daughter of so-an-do, may her belly be made to go well".
This you should say, its root and its top you will pull out,
You won't look at your back (i.e. you won't turn back), you will speak with no man. You will tie a plaited band in her left thigh and she will get well
At that time, it was planted, a tree, a single tree, by the banks of the Great River, Enki, the Father, did plant the Huluppu-tree, The God of Wisdom, he planted it by the banks of the Euphrates, Before he set sail, before the Father departed for the underworld.
The tree was nurtured by the waters of the Euphrates the very waters that carried Enki to the sea Small windstones were tossed against him; Large hailstones were hurled up against him; Like onrushing turtles, They charged the keel of Enki’s boat. The whirling South Wind arose and blew upon the tree, Pulling at its roots and ripping at its branches, Until the waters of the Euphrates carried it away.
A young woman who walked in fear of no man, and would not be owned, Plucked the tree from the river and spoke: “I shall bring this tree to Uruk. I shall plant this tree in my holy garden.”
Inanna cared for the tree with her hand. She settled the earth around the tree with her foot. She wondered: “How long will it be until I have a shining throne to sit upon? How long will it be until I have a luscious bed to lie upon?”
What are the 12 gates in Heaven?
The Bible describes the 12 gates of heaven as being made of pearls. Each individual gate is made of one single enormous pearl. Each gate has the name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel etched into it: Asher, Benjamin, Dan, Gad, Issachar, Joseph, Judah, Levi, Nephtali, Reubon, Simeon and Zebulun.
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What do the 12 gates in Nehemiah mean?
The twelve gates of Jerusalem (Nehemiah Chapter 3) Nehemiah was facing a challenge rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem, the walls represent protection, security , something that Jerusalem no longer have much time, and it required a lot of work and effort of an entire nation to rebuild the city.
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