Extremely lucky or is the pandemic bs?

Pandemic panic is BS. There is a disease, and it can be serious for some people, even lethal in a few. But for most of us who are normal and healthy, it's not much more than a nasty bug.

It's when you start factoring in extra conditions like age, weight, diabetes and other chronic conditions, being immunocompromised, etc., that you start to see the chances of it killing you really start to go up. Thing is that the list of extra risk conditions cover a *lot* of Americans.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
What kinda "stuff" do you share

Sandwiches, vape pens, this green substance that i think helps even more than smokes...

At work were always looking out for the team, that's why we share so much stuff.

None of us have gotten sick, we also don't wear masks riding together in the vehicles...

You have a good memory they absolutely were reports of that however interestingly no one to my knowledge thought to record the rate of infections to compare with those who didnt. I read it about doctors in Bergamo Italy (spelling?) Specifically though wouldmt be surprised if others did aswell. In my opinion/assumption, it was doctors who like myself at the time were combing through the dats Trying to find anything at all that may help. Those cohort studies were pretty much all any country had until the cases started going up elsewhere and the data documented, which takes time.

Looking retrospectively at initial patient data can offer immeasurable insight when fighting a novel pathogen or disease, so anyone paying attention would have likely seen the same glaring inconsistencies on regards to smokers that i and others did. Usually, especially for a respiratory virus (when we still thought thats all it was) smokers are some of those at most risk of complications so to see them noticeably absent across the board stuck out. Its a huge jump to assume smoking is beneficial obviouslt but for the case of doctors in Bergamo(again spelling?) i imagine they were literally grasping at straws. At that time we still assumed it was only transmissible by droplet and fomite so mainly only droplet precautions were taken, eventually going to airborne protection which included the neg pressure chambers/rooms and more PPE. In that interim becore aiborne precautions were initiated, i would be extremelt curious to see if any of those who voluntarily wore patches had a lower rate of positive infections. Honestly my guess would be no, beccause i personally believe its something to do with the nicotine interacting with the lungs directly vs just nicotine in the body. However thats pure speculation on my part. Though, that would mean vaping nicotine may provide protection and less damage than the cigarette itself if ever proved conclusively.


But again imo if the data ever showed a cleae link, for fear of the results being misinterpreted, the public would never know until after the pandemic had subsided. Though again thats just my own opinion.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: itswhatev

Why do I remember reading that in France and Italy Doctors and nurses at one time were being given nicotine patches to offset the possibility of them catching Covid?

I have no idea where that went, but I do remember reading it.

Great post, BTW.

a reply to: GoShredAK

It’s BS.

Sorry, late to the party.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
What kinda "stuff" do you share Panama red?lol

Yes, the pandemic is bs.
But the cancer swabs and dnabomb shots aren't.
The people in charge are creepers.

cancer swabs? could you tell me what you mean by that? just curious as I haven't heard that before. thanks!

a reply to: infolurker

Interesting thanks for the link, i dont keeo up with the newer studies nearly as much as I used to. However at this point most studies ive seen really only seem to conform all of the original information coming from the first countries infected, or adding more credence to what was suggested by thise studies. Not to say they arent just as important they absolutey are- just very little info is actually new as a whole. Its been one of the most frustrating things, repeatedlt screaming "Yes, but weve known this Since kast February! Why is it framed as 'newlt discovered'!?" Repeatedly for 18 months.... Its psychologically exhausting on top of everything else.



But thank you for the link!

Stay safe!

a reply to: GoShredAK

Half of all Chinese men smoke, very few are getting covid. Even this Doc admits smoking stops you from getting it, but he still pushes the party line.

Yep we move medical equipment and offices all of the time and work closely with air cargo where the metal coffins pass through.

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Mandroid7
What kinda "stuff" do you share

Sandwiches, vape pens, this green substance that i think helps even more than smokes...

At work were always looking out for the team, that's why we share so much stuff.

None of us have gotten sick, we also don't wear masks riding together in the vehicles...

Our work is pretty much the same. Work in the dirt. No one washes hands and we share food and cups etc. No one wears masks when near each other but only when the public can see. No one has gotten sick since it started. Only anecdotal stories around here of the covid. One person I know, that's it, and he's super compromised and older so fits the category to be cautious. The hype is the problem.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: Mandroid7
What kinda "stuff" do you share

Sandwiches, vape pens, this green substance that i think helps even more than smokes...

At work were always looking out for the team, that's why we share so much stuff.

None of us have gotten sick, we also don't wear masks riding together in the vehicles...

Our work is pretty much the same. Work in the dirt. No one washes hands and we share food and cups etc. No one wears masks when near each other but only when the public can see. No one has gotten sick since it started. Only anecdotal stories around here of the covid. One person I know, that's it, and he's super compromised and older so fits the category to be cautious. The hype is the problem.

Im grateful to work in an environment like that. I've also only heard stories. However a couple of the guys gave into the pressure and got the vaccine and they both got super sick for a day or two..

a reply to: anonentity
That's why the fed is wanting to raise prices XD.

a reply to: BlackArrow

If it is correct that smoking stops Covid, then for a maximum kill rate you would have to stop as many people from indulging as possible. At this stage of the Game, only the rich can afford to smoke, so the working class which is no longer needed for the economy needs to be reduced. The greatest threat to a stable society is lots of unemployed people. Hence anything that lowers the kill rate would be in the target, Ivermectin, for one. Well, it's a conspiracy site. add in the fact that either the governments really are complete idiots, or they have no choice with regards to making decisions.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: BlackArrow

If it is correct that smoking stops Covid, then for a maximum kill rate you would have to stop as many people from indulging as possible. At this stage of the Game, only the rich can afford to smoke, so the working class which is no longer needed for the economy needs to be reduced. The greatest threat to a stable society is lots of unemployed people. Hence anything that lowers the kill rate would be in the target, Ivermectin, for one. Well, it's a conspiracy site. add in the fact that either the governments really are complete idiots, or they have no choice with regards to making decisions.

So theoretically all those years of people trying to complain about us smokers who were actually saving the country from a pandemic with our 2nd hand smoke... the lungs of Americans are tempered in carbon and nicotine no doubt impenetrable for the COVID spore.

I have no links to provide, just little anecdotes for you.
Last summer when UK came out of lockdown I was in Leicester teaching Complementary Therapy. This involved my student having 'bodies' to practice on. We were in the garden on a break and I was puffing on my 'rollie' as we call them. Hand rolling tobacco. This lady is high up nurse at one of the 3 huge hospitals that Leicester has. Those in the UK will remember that Leicester was hit particularly hit hard and because of our 'tier system' at the time hardly came out of complete lockdown.

This lady had been working in C19 ICU wards the whole time. She told me 2 major things. #1 of all the C19 patients they had basically none of them were smokers which had raised eye brows in the medical community. #2 At that precise time, across all 3 of their hospitals (remember Leicester was 'allegedly' in a bad way) she said only 7 people were in ICU with C19 across all 3 hospitals. Not one of them were smokers. She told me to carry on smoking!

Second wee anecdote. I hail from a very rural community in Wales. Way back in the day, when seasonal chest infections were doing the rounds the adults would get the children to smoke the odd cigarette, most in those days were hand rolled or packets without filters. This would have been in the 40/50/60's. Hardly anyone got sick and those that did, did not adhere to this 'old wives tale' and were non smokers.

The Native Americans knew what they were doing when it came to tobacco. They very rarely would use tobacco to smoke, usually using herbs. I have been known to add dried sage to my tobacco to clear my sinuses and upper respiratory infections on the odd occasion and have even made a couple of smokes with it for clients who smoke. Infection gone in less than 24 hours.

Following on to the historical use of tobacco by Natives is that they would use the native tobacco Nicotiana rustica in ceremonies, but they would not smoke it. Instead they would just burn it. This indigenous tobacco plant is very high in nicotine and makes it very difficult to smoke. The tobacco used for cigarettes is Nicotiana tabacum which is lower in nicotine and thus much easier to smoke and was 'commercialised' around the 17th Century.
Link to NCBI

During the first lockdown in UK last year I started looking into nicotine essential oil. Well I would being a Clinical Aromatherapist. Anyhow, I was very surprised to find you can get tobacco essential oil! Most sold is for fragrance oil and in the perfumery industry, I did find one though that is Essential Oil grade. I will have to contact the seller as the only botanical name they give is Nicotiana with no reference as to whether it is the rustica (native) or tabacum (commercial), I suspect it is the tabacum as that is what is used for the fragrance oils.
Tobacco Essential Oil

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: GoShredAK

Oddly enough I used to get a heavy summer and winter cold like clockwork, to the point friends would remark on how I'd not had one for ages.
Cue 2020 and apart from the odd hangover I've not reached for a lemsip in over 18 months.
Go figure.

a reply to: GoShredAK
I have been picking up cigarettes off the ground and smoking them almost everyday for 23 years. No COVID. Asymptomatic corona cold? That is a convenient tool of language. "Asymptomatic."

I now have two friends in the hospital from covid and one of their daughters as well.

You will believe it's real when it gets close to you.

Through my job I meet new people daily and even go to their homes.
Rarely do I hear of anyone having Covid or being affected by it, and it is always someone with pre-existing illnesses.

Covid is very real but it seems to oddly be attacking anyone of social security age or have pre-existing conditions. Almost like it was designed to cull the old and sick only.

I understand many of you have a real fear of Covid, but it’s hard for me to take it serious when I’ve been working since day one and I’m just not seeing it like the media says I should.

It’s been a record year in sales too so we travel to more surrounding counties, but nothing has changed other than the fear in some peoples eyes when you happen too close.

I’ve known of one person to die from Covid, he also had Leukemia and other Cancers for years.

Truthfully I’m more afraid of the vaccine and how rapidly it was produced. I’ll take my chances not getting one.

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Im a household mover so my job has me all over the place, in and out of peoples houses and businesses in some of the dirtiest areas. There are 5-7 of us usually to a crew and we all smoke and share cigarettes and drinks and stuff all day every day. We should have all caught the covee by now by being so reckless.

Perhaps we have and didn't know?

Since the beginning I decided not to live in fear and I have been really bad about wearing my mask. Im definitely not getting the shot anytime soon....

It's weird, all I have seen is the fear response from the news no actual virus running rampant at all.

Same here. My work has me in peoples houses and businesses on a regular basis. I've never had so much as a sniffle, but I do think covid is likely real since I know several people who have supposedly had it, I just think it has been blown so far out of proportion that the truth of it has been buried under a mountain of lies.

a reply to: GoShredAK

My theory is that those guys either already had COVID and the vaccine reacted to pre-existing antibodies - basically it caused their immune system to react to it. Or they had super strong immune systems from the life you describe meaning their immune response to the vaccine made them feel like crap.

When I got the shot, despite being in my mid-40s, I reacted strongly to both doses. The first gave me an intense overnight reaction that was really miserable, and the second gave me around two days of flu-like symptoms complete with fever.

So I must have a pretty good immune system, and I likely would have been fine with the actual disease itself which I'd already figured since I'm fit and healthy for my age.