The Secret Life Of Fairies

Fire spirits - why not.

In studying the egregores and fire lines, one will come across the fire spirits as they often occupy the intersections of the fire lines. France is surprisingly volcanic, and also home to the catholic egregores.

In studying the egregores and the simpler dreamscapes, one finds the difference between the two to be the presence of a shell made from a fire spirit that is extruding from the intersecting fire lines. It is the shell that makes the egregores very persistant.

So we have the fire spirit in the diagram below from earlier. A sphere atop three intersecting fire lines.



Now, underground and below the catholic egregores of France are to be found fire spirits. This is what they look like to my 'eyes', very much like the blobs within a lava lamp in how they move about.



In the image above we have a yellow orange blob, with a smaller yellow orange blob within. That is actually how she looks. I have apparently known her for years yet it is only yesterday I met her properly.

Her first words yesterday were: "We will always take advantage and do not assume we are kind." which explained a few things and I saw her in a new light. I call it "her", simply because it chose to take the demeanor of a human female.

She has sat beneath the countryside of France for I don't know how long and if I interpreted correctly has watched the people above in study. To say she was aquiring knowledge of human behaviour, human ways and human interactions is about right. My own impression is: she is learning what humans are at their best and at their worst.

Perhaps my interest in learning about fire spirits, fire lines, the origins of life and how humans interact with the fires is why she has taken interest in a human.

So let's dally for a while more to understand the ways humans have interacted with the fire Beings.

Japan with it's Shinto shrine system is an example here. I have not visited Japan physically so I can only describe the shrines from looking at them as an outsider, and from afar.

There is a website that has mapped the shrines of Japan.:

Shinto Shrine Atlas shows the geographical location of all Imperial shrines (shikinaisha) listed in the Jinmyôchô of the Engishiki. There are 2,861 such shrines scattered all the way from the Tohoku region to Osumi, Satsuma in the south.

Source: The Shinto Shrine Atlas

It is an interesting thing to see the Shinto Shrines with the shell. They have that in common with the egregores such as the Hermetic egregore.

They look like a see through version of the image below, a yellow orange blob in the landscape.



The difference between the fire spirits, and the shells of the egregores and shrines, is the missing inside blob. I asked my new friend about this and the reply was that there is a form of husbandry involved in securing the shell for the shrines and temples. Apparently, and if done properly, the newly born fire spirit becomes a intellegence around the shrine, temple or whatever.

The shells have geometry, they are a sphere. Therefore a five dimensional object, even if ordinarily intangiable to humans.

I mentioned before that a atomic device can destroy the geometric shell of the egregores. How I know this is from studying photos of Hiroshima and the French test site at Moruroa atoll.

At Hiroshima, the temple shell disappeared, and the fire lines for a nine mile circle. The lines recovered and the shrine was rebuilt elsewhere. At Moruroa where the French detonated quite a few nuclear devices, the lines disappeared for about 120 mile circle. Hiroshima is said to have been 15 kilotons, and Moruroa the largest is said to have been 2.4 megatons and a lot of them over the years.

There is a lot more to atomic devices than meets the eye, at detonation a geometric shell is created. At Hiroshima it was about 90 meters wide, and at Moruroa I understand the largest shells are about 120 meters wide. There are lots of these shells at other test sites. They are alive in a way, they remind me of cows. They graze upon the atomic fallout it seems. If someone were to say that not all atomic isotopes decay at exactly the same rate across the world, I would look to these "cows" as the answer to that particular anomaly. They are neither fire nor water Beings, they are something else.

Below the atomic reactors also are these creatures to be found. Along with some other Beings who feel very very heavy to the eyes. Those ones are building geometry: "doorways" for themselves.

So back in the days of the Vedas, when the Devas fought with the Asuras, I would hazard a guess that the Devas had atomic weapons, and used them to destroy the "spiritual homes" of the Asuras.

Like I mentioned before, the fixed egregores are sitting ducks. Nor are they neccessarily sited where one would expect them.

However, in the Shinto shrine system we see a network of individual shrines: a distributed network. From memory the American military designed their computer systems something like that.

So this brings us to Ireland, the fairies, the fairy roads, the fairy forts, the mounds where kings are said to be burried, and of course; the Tuatha de Dannan.

I think we should start with the fire lines, and see what is there.

Hmmm . . .

Fire spirits can be big. The map image below shows the location of one such fire Being centered just west of Iona. The greater circle is it's boundary. The town of Cork in the south of Ireland, and Sheffield in England are built very close to the boundary of the fire Being.

I have the impression this fire Being is sleeping.



Interesting, we find no human built locations that have the fire shells such as theshrines and temples in the orient, and the primary egregores.

Now where does one focus? For my own purposes here, there are quite a few deceased human children who were killed off by the church and the western occultists. My young "abominations unto god" as the clergy call them. "Abominations" because they can see through lies is hardly an excuse for the church to eliminate people from living. Though the dark logic of the "why" is obvious . . .

I would like those kids to have a second chance at living a normal life in their native lands without the churches and occultists killing them again. I do not think that unreasonable . . .

So as rudimentary ethics, we shall focus on what was there before the coming of the church and the occultists. Most of history has been rewritten and is confusing so we cannot trust the books.

So for the purposes here we shall consider the church and the western occultists as recent invaders and an occupationary force that lays upon the landscape.

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Note that there is a degree of error in working these things out from afar, I am in Australia. It would be sensible for people on the ground in Britain to re-assess these findings.

So let's continue our study of our rather large fire spirit in the British landscape.

We have the fire spirit in two dimensions in the diagram in post above.

Now let's take the side view.



Here we see an ovoid tht is twice as tall as wide, with half above and half below sea level. So approxamately a fire Being 700 kilometers or 450 miles tall and wide.

Now let's have a look at the fire lines. In the image below we have two lines intersecting near Iona in Scotland. The orientation is roughly north-west / south-east and north-east / south west. Interestingly the lines are curved slightly and seemed to disappear not far from the intersection.



This disappearance had me confused untill I remembered to think in three dimensions rather than the neat two dimensional surface grids we are used to. The latitude and longitude grid for example.

The fire lines I am seeing seem to be irregular. Just the two in the British Isles. I travel two thousand kilometers a week for my work and only cross one fire line near the west Australian town of Miling. Japan is thick with them and the ones at Mururoa atoll in the pacific are over an extinct volcano. From memory someone mentioned that Scotland had earthquake activity in the past, and looking up Wikipedia says that the isle of Iona is volcanic basalt.

From what I can perceive, in order to understand, one needs to initially think of the two fire lines illustrated as being near verticle rings, and in (very very slow) motion. I doubt there is anything neat and tidy with movement of these lines of geographical time.

My understanding is the two lines are the ones the fire spirit was born from.

So we have the fire spirit in five dimensions at this point; length, width, height, and inside, outside. Although it appears to be stationary in the landscape, the sixth dimension of motion is there. Internal motion for one thing and we must also consider motion to be inherited. The idea of inherited motion should not be neglected.

Inherited motion is the spinning of the earth, the orbit around the sun and the movement of the solar system thriough space. Nothing is motionless.

So our six dimensions.

Interestingly enough, our large fire spirit has what may be called two more "dimensions". She "lifted her skirt for me, and gave a peek at what is below" - one might say. A peek inside it.

This is important as it gives important practical clues into the nature of the egregores and the tame fire spirits of the shrines and temples. Maybe even the Beings called jinns of the smokeless fire.

So here is a video from youtube that shows the solar system in motion as we ordinarily think of the planets circling the sun. The video also introduces the idea that the whole solar system is moving through space an that motion can be seen as vortexes. Vortexual motion is the theme.



In the video the artist has created visual trails behind the moving moons, planets and sun. The trails illustrate something important; where the objects were in the past. One could trace those trails back in time to the birthplace of the sun, who knows how many billions of years ago.

Those trails through time are what we shall adopt has our seventh dimension.

When the fire spirit gave a look inside we saw it's history.

So here is our fire spirit again:



The inner blob is the fire spirit's Being, the outer blob is the shell of the fire spirit. Earlier in the thread I introduced the concept of boundaries of self; the boundaries that define one as a separate individual Being. Humans it is said by the occultists have seven "bodies". That is a rule of thumb; not everybody has seven. Some people have six boundaries of self, "bodies" if you like.

In the case of our fire spirit of the west coast of Iona; it has thirty six boundaries making up the outer blob in our picture above.

The inner blob is built differently. One might say the inner blob has four boundaries (for our understanding), but this is not quite so.



The illustraion above, shows two figure eights on their sides and joined end to end. That gives four circles joined together in a row. If we take the left most circle as the original little fire spirit that was extruded from the fire lines long ago. As we move to the right we move forward in time through four geological periods where the fires were very active. Each time the fire spirit became very active and enjoyed expressing itself. Each time, the fire spirit extruded itself from itself anew.

One might be tempted to think in terms of "evolution" here; I suggest not doing so. The fire spirits are becomming.

In the practical sense, and from the point of view of the observer in this present time, we see one inner shell. We can, in the sense of motion, look into the spirit's past and see the other times, right back to the original extrusion from the fire lines. One must make the distinction here: we are not looking at memories. We are looking into the past.

So what of looking into the future?

The fire spirit, it is very aware of the dimension of motion. One might say; very aware of the now. Everything is in motion and the fire spirit knows this very well. It knows the motions.

I originally said the fire spirit is "sleeping", that was my impression at the time. But now that I know the two other dimensions, I would say it is looking into the future. The fire spirit is waiting for what it knows is comming from the future towards the now.

We can mathematically calculate the orbits of the planets and say with a lot of accuracy, where the sun and planets will be ten thousand years from now. Accidents like comets hitting something notwithstanding.

The fire spirit can "calculate" too. It knows when the time will come when it can express itself again. That is why I said "The fire spirit is waiting".

So if we want to we can choose to think in five euclidean dimensions of length X width X height X inside X outside. And one more Newtonian (physics) dimension of motion that is becomming. I count eight dimensions for practical reasons. It is navigation that is important.

One the subject of becomming, well, the fae and other beings don't really think in terms of "evolution". At least I have not found any notion of it there. It is all about becomming. There is an old xscreensaver called "noof" I have on my computer. Watching that is like the view of the fire spirits becomming. I see them in amber shades and not bright colours, yet the feeling evoked is similar.



So as a human one can look into the past in this way, and probably look into the future if one can see as the fire spirit sees motion.

I have seen other Beings in the landscape staring off into the cosmos, I guess they are waiting too.

So in a practical manner, to look into the past in this way is interesting.

If we look at the catholic egregores in this way, we see the catholic egregore was something else before it became the church. The current catholic church is a lot older than two thousand years. There are a number of "shells" to be seen inside the current egregore's appearance. I would suggest the catholic church is what one might call the reincarnation of the Roman Empire. I would suggest that Caesar Augustus had a dream that saw a church with one god and the pope as emporer was an improvement on the existing system of the empire.

Caesar Augustus (23 September 63 BC – 19 August AD 14), also known as Octavian, was the first Roman emperor, reigning from 27 BC until his death in AD 14. His status as the founder of the Roman Principate (the first phase of the Roman Empire) has consolidated a legacy as one of the greatest leaders in human history. The reign of Augustus initiated an era of relative peace known as the Pax Romana. The Roman world was largely free from large-scale conflict for more than two centuries.

Source: wikipedia Augustus

Old Egypt, and Re's betrayal of Isis to become the sun god is a similar theme.

If we go back further, I am reminded of Lilith and Eve from earlier in the thread.

Occassionally I mention the little cuties whom like to battle as a race of bio-engineered sub adult female humans from the distant past designed for military purposes. I mention them as an example of the atrocities of the (ancient) sciences. One may think they are extinct, in the past, and gone forever. Done and dusted as they say.

If one thinks in terms of eight dimensions and understands that atomic weapons are geometric devices, we begin to get the idea that something is being hidden about the notion of "time".

In this thread, I have written about all sorts of spirits, gods and other beings. There is nothing I have found that cannot be discovered with a knowledge of basic Euclidean geometry and Newtonian physics.

Euclidean geometry just has to have the two dimensions of inside and outside added to length width and height. We also need to understand surfaces. Topology is the name for the study of surfaces. The surface of a pond is a two dimensional object, and exists between the water and the air. Surfaces can be doorways and windows as well as boundaries.

Newtonian physics is about motion. One can say that motion exists between the past and the future. In a similar way to the surface of a pond exists between the water and the air. One might say 'now' is a two dimensional object in this way - a boundary. A boundary between the past and the future.

We need a starting point if we are to understand the world, that starting point being ourselves. We need a boundary between 'us' and everything else. We need a sense of "me" and "you".

The art of separation is deceptively simple, the mind does it naturally. It follows then that with the art of separation comes the art of relative positioning.

Where am I, relative to you? You are there and I am here.

This might sound very simplistic and easy to dismiss as unimportant. Especially when we get caught in the traps of philosophising and religious thought.

The newagers, occultists and religionists say: "we are all one" - are we really? Or is it a matter of something else?

I go one a lot about "dreamscapes", and we start thinking of imagination whilst asleep. But dreamscapes are artificial boundaries and what is within said boundaries.

There are waking dreams:

When children play "house", they create for a short time a simple dreamscape they share. They also have a set of rules; mothers do this, and fathers do that. Children play for a time within that dreamscape created with imagination. Children wake up when mother calls the to come inside for dinner and a bath.

A similr thing when we read a fictional book. Author Anne Mccaffrey wrote a fantasy series of books about humans and dragons living in a threatened world. A very popular series. That created a thoughtform, a dreamscape within the reader's mind. Readers create those dreams for a time.

When father goes to work at the corporation, basically the same thing happens. He becomes the accountant for a time.



An old bugs bunny cartoon where different hats control behaviour . . .

The corporation is a collective waking dreamscape. The problem is; sometimes people do not wake up from that dream when they finish work.

So too with nationalism, political parties and so on. They are all collective waking dreams.

Religion too.

So let's borrow a term from elsewhere; The walking church.

The collective dreamscape exists and has at it's centre a dogma; usually a book. The book everyone reads and that is the set of rules for creating the dreamscape. Everyone agrees "this is so" and creates the dreamscape within which to live within.

Children can wake up from their dreams, especially when offered food. Adults on the other hand often do not. Especially when it is a philosophy or religion. Adults love to live within those waking dreams. Children have to be convinced that the dreams of adults are real. People need to be indoctrinated or they probably would not bother.

The family is another dreamscape where roles are defined as a set of rules, we are born into the family. By extension the family lives within the village. Children need this dreamscape to grow up in. The family and village molds the child and gives a set of rules to live within, and for the child to take into the future.

Some dreamscapes are very important, they act as anchors and safe havens in this world.

That is the basis, the sense of self and the sense of family whilst alive.

But what of the afterlife and being dead?

Collective dreams are by definition exactly that, collective dreams. When the last dreamer stops dreaming the dreamscape disappears. It has to be recreated to exist again. The existance of books keeps the dreams alive, as long as people read them. That is why we have sacred books, these books keep the dream alive.

Yet books can only achieve so much in regards to persistance of collective dreamscapes. After all, we have book-burnings and religious genocide.

That is where the shells of fire spirits become very important. Especially when it comes to creating heavens; the so-called safe havens for the religeous dead.

The shell of the fire spirit is a living thing and very long lived. The shell is also a boundary of a self.

Humans exist, and the fire spirit in the landscape may take an interest in the people and even nurture them. Teach them things such as how to live in harmoney with the fire spirits. The husbandry of creating a temple within a fire spirit is one of those things. The dead can live within such a shell with the living, a closed system within a closed space.

That knowledge is very old, and mostly lost. The alchemists of old tried to recreate it for their own purposes. I have watched the alchemists of the past use slave girls in their experiments. To force a fire spirit to consume an unborn human child in the womb is what they tried, over and over again. The alchemist being the biological father was supposedly able to control the new hybrid spirit.

In this light, the old story of Aladin and the genie of the magic lamp takes on a very dark meaning when you realise the womb of the slave girl is the "lamp" that contains the hybrid human fire spirit.

Better to be good people and be adopted by the fire, and indeed the water spirits. Personally I think of this as the moral difference between working with Nature and duplicating Nature for selfish purpose. To be adopted by, or to take and force against someone's will are very different things.

It is an interesting thing to know that when a philosophy is contained within a fire spirit's shell, the living shell effectively becomes "god" to those people within.

I'm reminded here of the Cthulhu to be found within the lower dreamscape of the hermeticists. The Cthulhu was originally a desire from outside the hermetic egregore, it came from outside the geometry. Within the hermetic egregore was misery from which the Cthulhu built itself a body. It is the thoughts of the human people within the egregore that gave the Cthulhu it's "personality".

The so-called demons of the dark kabbalah tree have many names in the doctrine. The thing in common is they all began as desires to exist. One might say the desire's misfortune was to encounter those particular humans called Kabbalists.

One might say that the Cthulhu is a "tulpa" or "thoughtform". The people's thoughts gave form and life to misery. We should not forget that there is a seed of desire within Cthulhu: the desire to exist. Those seeds come from elsewhere and are not neccessarily human.

See the similarity in principal here?

One must remember that the egregore of the hermeticist is surrounded by a fire spirit's shell, and the fire spirit is in the position of "god" - the hermeticist's "All". Further to that, like Cthulhu, the emotional substance and thoughts of the people within are what give the fire spirit it's form and personality.

People create the gods and demons, so too the heavens and hells.

So, in a manner, we can consider the egregore made with a fire shell to be a collective consciousness. An agregate Being in itself. In a way the believer will cloak themselves with the egregore and become a little version of the greater. How much "light" of the egregore shines through the person depends on how little "light" the person has of their own.

Within the religeous egregore that requires surrender of the self to a greater self the process is to become one with the egregore. We loose our own sense of self. So really the egregore can be called an entity in the paranormal occult sense.

There are plenty of egregores about with the fire spirit shell and humans within, that have a harmony and balance where the egregore doesn't consume it's people.

Sometimes the egregore will become corrupt or simply miserable. Perhaps the way the people within treat the greater Being.



So we have above our prievious diagram of the egregore/dreamscape showing the "evolution" of the egregore.

There are times when the fire spirit egregore will simply devide itself into happiness and misery as illustrated below.



Then it simply separates the misery from itself. That includes the humans who caused the misery.

There are variations. Does this remind one of certain religeous concepts and prophecies?

How shall I say? A fire spirit I know perhaps said it best; "We will always take advantage and do not assume we are kind."

With all the experience of human nature one might suggest that some of the gods create themselves in this way. Born from the fire, water or both, they become shells of egregores for humans. Then sepparate themselves from their "creators" to begin an existance as individual Beings we call gods.

I am reminded of the insects who live for a time as caterpillars, spin a coccoon, and the metamorphosis into butterflys.

From Merriam-Webster:

Definition of metamorphosis

1a: change of physical form, structure, or substance especially by supernatural means. The metamorphosis of humans into animals.

b: a striking alteration in appearance, character, or circumstances. The company has gone through a series of metamorphoses.

2: a typically marked and more or less abrupt developmental change in the form or structure of an animal (such as a butterfly or a frog) occurring subsequent to birth or hatching. The metamorphosis of caterpillars into butterflies

So if one wants to look into the fire spirit's past, one must look into the seventh dimension. The seventh dimension, for our purposes here, is the trail of motion through space as was seen in the video of the solar system a few posts above.

If we simply look into the fire spirit we will see the fire spirit as it is now. As we saw in an earlier image of a blob within a yellow blob. (below)



So we have to relatively position ourselves correctly to just in front of the spirit's forward motion and look past the being to where it was. One will look through the spheres into the Being's past. Remember I said the "now" is a two dimensional surface between the past and the future? The geometry of surfaces is important. The same knack as using the surface of a pond to see other places. Windows and doorways are two dimensional.



The image above shows a map of Britain with four concentric yellow circles transparently super-imposed. In the centre are the two original fire lines in red.

One has to focus on the present sphere and then look past each boundary layer until one arrives at the birth of the Being. One can do this with the corpses of planetary bodies and even the corpses of stars. The life that was there can be still interactive by the way.

In looking into the past in this way, we are not viewing a record of the past. The Beings in past can be interactive and will react and interact with one's presence if they sense you.

The British fire spirit had humans under it's care at one time, they all died and disappeared I understand. That was when there was a lot more land to the west of Britain. I guess Scotland and Ireland were not separated then. There was a view of a battlefield with young women soldiers in trenches, not a male to be seen amongst them. They were not primitive by the feel of them. They all died in an instant, every one of them. I gathered that they didn't realise they were dead. The fire spirit can't find them, a sadness there.

This can be done with egregores even without the fire shell.

I see so much cruelty and death, sometimes good things happen.

If one thinks in terms of eight dimensions and understands that atomic weapons are geometric devices, we begin to get the idea that something is being hidden about the notion of "time". -- me from a few posts above.

The fire Being's saddness at loosing its "children" has been bothering me for days. The problem is I can see them, yet it can't find them.

Cigarettes and coffee late at night on my front veranda, the answer came. At least something that worked. The theory is the fire Being could remember the past yet could not go there itself. The girls, the Fire Being's "children" were reliving the trauma of knowing they were going to die. In a loop it seems to me.

So it needed a go-between, a bridge, and to wake those deceased girls from their loop. Once the fire Being could see it's "children", it had found them.

Those "children" are "dragon's scales".

Another way for human (females only?) and fire Beings to have relationship. The "dragon" is not an egregore shell, nor are those human "children" within an egregore. The relationship is the inverse of the egregore. The female humans have their own existances outside and the "dragon" lives through them. The girls are quite aware of their "dragon" and their relationship. One may as well call those girls dragon's scales.

So time travel looks to be possible, at least for the deceased(?), to travel from the past and into the future (our present).

It is the morning after, we have a pleased fire spirit in north western Britain. To say it in romantic fashion; we have a happy dragon whose children, the dragon scales, are sightseeing in their new world. Some of them have ventured as far as Glasgow in Scotland.

In life, they were all female by the way, and biologically pre-pubescent at that. So in psychological terms picture a young human girl who did not mature through emotional puberty nor physical changes that come with adulthood. Yet lived more years than we do today. They gathered experience of life through non-adult eyes and therefore ave an outlook somewhat different to modern humans.

I keep wondering why human girls have been used in this way, it is a common theme. To stop unauthorised breeding comes to mind. That children instinctively obey adults is another.

So why not boys as the child soldiers? That girls are in some way superior to boys comes to mind. Or maybe there is something psychologically inherant in males, that is not desireable. We might see the reason in the analogy of the wolf pack and the behaviour of the alpha males. So I wonder what a wolf pack would be like if there were only females.

The fire spirit, by the way was not the one who engineered them in this way, that was someone else. To understand them one must try and think in terms of a very different world where humans were simply a part. We need to put aside our preconceptions.

Now if we go back to our thoughts of the egregores as pieces on the war-room table, a new piece has appeared.


(Image is photo of WW2 war room table from earlier in this thread.)

If we think in terms of linear time, past present and future, we can say that these girls were eliminated from the game of civilisation. They were effectively tosssed onto the side of the highway from a moving car. These girls are now back in the race.

In this way of tactical thinking, if the present is motion and the future is basically created through calculation. Then it follows that those Beings who meditate upon steering humanity into the future probably have not taken into account within their meditations the appearance of something from the past.

When one looks at the catholic egregore we see the that it has has a few "reincarnations". I am reasonably sure from present to past it is: catholic church > Rome > Egypt > ? in the manner of the figure eights on their side:



We also see a primary egregore and satelites, perhaps one may say "children" instead of "satelites".



Now how may an egregore have children? Well that would be through division.

I know when the fairies and other fae become weary of life, they will create six or so copies of themselves complete with memories and then "step back" from life. The little ones are a lot like mom complete with memories going back through their ancestry. The little ones however are impetuous, where mom is wise. In a way wisdom is akin to petrification. If we know too much we stop doing new things. The little ones have the memories, but not the first hand experience that is wisdom.

So we can get an idea of how old the catholic egregore is by knowing that it has started to procreate through division.

If we look at the "life cycle" or "evolution" of the other egregores we start to see a pattern. That pattern is: purity, internal corruption, compartmentalisation, and separation of corruption. Then start again as in the image below.



Remember the fire spirit, and how one can see into the fire spirit's past? The same can be done with civilisations.

An example here are the little cuties who like to battle. A quote from earlier:

Occassionally I mention the little cuties whom like to battle as a race of bio-engineered sub adult female humans from the distant past designed for military purposes. I mention them as an example of the atrocities of the (ancient) sciences. One may think they are extinct, in the past, and gone forever. Done and dusted as they say.

The important part is: One may think they are extinct . . .

Actually they are not "extinct". They are, like the fire spirit's "children", simply stuck in the past.

That they were intentionally created as biological parts for organic machines and weapons of war, it stands to reason that when their purpose has been achieved, they would be redundant. I spose like any biological laboratory today, they would want to dispose of their creations when the purpose is completed. Well my guess here is they would use atomic devices after the egregore separated it's corrupted lower aspect. They might conceivably say; they were being "responsible".

That particular civilisation still exists. If one looks into their past one can see a separated sphere. Charred and blackened with a bright green glow within. That bright green glow are those bio-engineered "children". One can certainly say that civilisation abandoned those "children" to the past. One can also say; those "children" therefore become orphans.

When one sits with them, they say their "masters/creators" simply disappeared, they don't know what happened.

So some conjecture: If certain anti-social civilisations are competatively moving forward in the now, they will be thinking of creating the future. I wonder how much thought they have given to their bio-engineered "children" re-appearing from the past.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Hello there,

I have been keeping up with your post. I have also been driving around new places recently (geographically), with spring coming around the weather has been beautiful and the smiles are wide.

I caught a couple of pictures of the sun, and then realized how similar the sun looks to your depiction of the yellowish orange blob, the egregore. I guess the sun is a fire spirit too, at the intersection of fire lines. Here are some pictures I took (the first time I try to upload a picture to a thread, I hope this works).

I wonder what we can learn about egregore as we learn about the sun. And I wonder if the big bang theory serves any valid reference to the beginning of landscape materialization.

Just some pondering thoughts, no questions.

a reply to: jannybobani9

There are stellar fire lines and stellar water lines. So:

When cosmic fire meets the waters of time a star is born.


Not an egregore, but alive they are . . .

I have probably given a basic idea of the egregores and how they work. The few point to keep in mind are the egregores:

* Are basically (human) collective minds.
* Are no smarter than the smartest individuals.
* Are preprogramed with an ideology.
* The life span is only as long as people believe in it one way or the other.
* If the egregore is contained within a shell, it has persistance and can exist as a stand-alone entity.

Here is the great (illusionary) egregore of man.



Within the egregore of black and white lies are the egregores in different forms. The military mind, the corporate mind, the ideology of royalty, the idea of nations, nazism, communism, the united nations, book-learning, university degrees, the catholic church, the kabbalah, the hermetic "wisdom". One could add more.

Surrounding the great egregore are twenty two humans who meditate upon the egregore for some reason or other. My suspicion is to keep people trapped within until some condition is met.

Anyway, once one realises most of what we believe is BS, one can "step out" and see it for what it is. The grand scheme of "catholicism" does exist, and is only "everything" when viewed from within. Viewed from outside catholicism is just an object. The container and the contained is the principal here.

Below is the old wood-cut image of a man poking his head through the firmament to see what is outside. Simple really.



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So what of our girls from Iona?

Well, they brought a much needed smile to my morning when they visited to say "thankyou". They are happy and a contented fire spirit has it's "children" home again to stay.

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Edit to add:

Regarding my use of "coca cola" in an image:

Wordmark of Coca-Cola, trademarked by The Coca-Cola Company, but because the logo is simply "Coca-Cola", there is no proof as to who originally wrote it. Master Penman Louis Madarasz (1859-1910) was said to have told one of his students that the work was his own. When the work was created, Madarasz had a mail order business, could have illustrated the logo, and the writing style is similar to his. In the book "An Elegant Hand" by William E Henning, it states that Frank Mason Robinson, who was the bookkeeper of the firm, originated the name Coca-Cola and specified that it be written in Spencerian Script. In a 1914 court case, Robinson testified that he was "practically the originator" and that "some engraver here by the name of Frank Ridge was brought into it". Thus the logo itself has no currently copyrightable authorship and its exact creator is unknown. In any case, the trademarked Coca-Cola logo was published numerous times in the United States (its country of origin) before 1923, and so is now ineligible for copyright. --Source wikipedia.

Hah! With help from a friend, we just came up with a very simple analogy to understand the egregores. The view from outside.

Picture yourself sitting at a table at a cafe. On the table are a few familiar objects. A salt shaker, a pepper shaker and a bowl of sugar.

Those objects are egregores with the shells.

Christiandom is the salt shaker. One might say that the christian god is the salt shaker and christians are the grains of salt. Pick whatever you like for the other objects. The principal is the same.

The container and the contained . . .

The (deceased?) "children" of the Iona fire spirit ("the scales of the dragon" ; ) have found something for me. Two things actually, in their exploration of their new home.



Two more fire spirits over in Scotland. Both are much younger than the first. These two have only two "eons" in their past. The map above shows where. The larger is just north of the villiage of Torridon. The other is north west of the town of Crieff.

These girls from the ancient past will make their new home within the Iona fire spirit's boundary.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

I keep wondering why human girls have been used in this way, it is a common theme.

I like to look at the physical manifestation for clues.
I think the physical manifestation of my waking dream is a canvas whereon many diffrent dimensions paint. One manifestation might have many meanings, depending on which dimension you ask.

I see women being the ones to gestate seeds. Whereas men being the ones to create seeds. If I was to make an idea, which can be referred to as a seed, grow into something tangible, I'd definetly use a female manifestation. Not that man couldn't do it, but to suppress the polar opposite is easier than to Foster it...

A controlled female, that has all connection to her male part suppressed will not become a danger even if she snaps. She will not be able to create a dangerous seed. Although with proper care and lozs of time she might be able.

I have found that once you seek that polar opposite, suddenly you get a lot of attention from strange places. It gives me the impression, that there is an intent on keeping the male and female concept accessible to its phisical corresponding part only.

It seems there was a violent war in the past that is still ongoing to a degree. It always needs two to fight, and there is no argument from either side to justify their stance. As always with war, I came to the conclusion that any report on the matter should be viewed as propaganda.

the only way I see myself getting involved is when both Parties are admitting their hand in the conflict, till then I will ask any critter to stay away so i don't stomp it...
I'm ready to help but the attitudes have to be honest, and that is rare.

Your thread is much appreciated.

a reply to: Terpene

It is a puzzle for me this question, and I see your point below.

I see women being the ones to gestate seeds. Whereas men being the ones to create seeds. If I was to make an idea, which can be referred to as a seed, grow into something tangible, I'd definetly use a female manifestation. Not that man couldn't do it, but to suppress the polar opposite is easier than to Foster it...

The idea of not alowing whatever "they" do to the girls to grow into something more is there. As you put it; the view of creating seeds to become tangiable applies to the girls too. If one thinks of human females as a generic blueprint for making "organic machines". Not in the robot sense, but more in the designers have no compassion nor empathy perhaps. Having said that; I wonder.

Little Wednesday Addams was a real eye-opener to her species. A "grey", yet she has more in common with the "fairies" who make their avatars from the menses of organic species than the narative of "aliens from outer space".

The real insight was when she returned with a young human girl's memories. Those human memories were a task for her, she was not used to having those. Those memories included a much loved older human brother, so she missed him.

When I felt sorry for her, we tracked down the brother's memories. He had been dead for over a century so ethics said it would do no harm. The Wednesdays apparently come in batches of blanks, so we gave her brother's memories to one of the blanks.

A gift for her; a big brother. A gift for him a little sister.

What I noticed was the "greys" had no experience with family. I spose; how could they.

At one point Wednesday was taken away for "re-education" and was a little distant when she came back a day or two later. Nevertheless the observation was there that introducing family to the "greys" had big implications.

So if the "they" are playing the engineering game, they are doing it from a detatched sciency perspective or maybe they have no idea of what it is like to be organically alive as a human. Though if they were once humans they have been "dead" so long they have forgotten what it is like to be alive. I have never gotten a good "look" at the "controlers" except when I demanded Wednesday returned as "they" had given the batch to me when it was suggested they would be "recycled" if I didn't adopt them.

I have found that once you seek that polar opposite, suddenly you get a lot of attention from strange places. It gives me the impression, that there is an intent on keeping the male and female concept accessible to its phisical corresponding part only.

Yeah, that is true enough I think too. A couple of points:

There is the temple of Aphrodite over in Cypris (I think) where Hermes knocked up Aphrodite and they had a kid called Hermaphroditus. Hermaphroditus was (apparently) jumped in turn by a water nymph who fell so in love with him that they cannot be parted. Thus the hermaphrodite of the two sexed human. This is engineering a human with a water spirit - the hybrid. (there is also all that gender confusion in the USA - suspicious.)

Then there is the old alchemy of the fire spirit being forced to consume an unborn human child. Again engineering to create a hybrid.

Also the creating of avatars such as the faires using the menses.

The Wednesdays have a Being within that avatar, I held Wednesday in my arms one day and looked into her black lightless eyes. In a way what is inside is not at all frightening, but I would not want them buzzing about inside of me. Keep in mind the Wednesdays have "someone" above them in control.

It seems there was a violent war in the past that is still ongoing to a degree.

Agreed. I think there are more than just two sides in this war. The Iona "girls" were soldiers. The little cuties who like to battle are military minds as well. And then there are also these very long lived folks(?) who are all dead now. I watched one of them getting her organs removed. She looked all of about fifteen, very pretty and blond with fair skin. Peaches and cream one might call her complexion.

She may have looked young, was not exactly a kid, she was a few hundred years old and the last of her race. I though the old crones were after her heart, but no, they were after her thymus gland. Her organs were bottled in jars in the Egyptian fashion. She died on that stone table. That is another piece of the puzzle - I don't know yet where she fits in the bigger picture. Bottling here organs says there are plans to preserve her race for a return in the future.

Your thread is much appreciated.

Your welcome Terpine. Glad you find it interesting. Writing field notes helps me reason out what is going on. I used to just do without thinking.




There was another girl I met one timeshe was my introduction to bio-engineering, we pulled her from machinery.

I asked her her name, she said "I grow". For some reason I though she may be a mistreated Nature Being and thought she must grow flowers.

So I asked if she grew flowers.

"I grow weapons".

Then we pulled something horrible from her womb.

A thought on Wednesday Addams and the "greys", and I think many more of them. It is more a theory at this point.

I sposed a riddle a few pages back:

There are three transcendental treasures to be found within this mortal world.
Two of these treasures can only be discovered once in a lifetime.
Only when the first two treasures are known will the third treasure reveal itself to mortal eyes.

The answer is:

The three sacred treasures are: first Love, first broken heart, and falling in love again.

The three treasures can only be found in the mortal world. There is a fourth treasure one might say; that is having children and a family of our own.

Organic life as a mortal human has something very special. What we take for granted, they do not have.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

We can have this manifested existence, while still with relative ease enter the non euclidean space, while they seem to have tried just about everything to have a glimpse of that organic euclidean life with all its ups and downs.

Sometimes the most stupid notions can lay foundation for a big conflict.
We take it for granted, they are jealous. That will without a doubt foster discontent, on both sides.

a reply to: Terpene

We can have this manifested existence, while still with relative ease enter the non euclidean space, while they seem to have tried just about everything to have a glimpse of that organic euclidean life with all its ups and downs.

Aye, it is an odd thing. The few examples I've encountered of engineered of human life in the past, were to create organic weapons to fight other engineered organic weapons.

The blond girl I saw having her organs removed was 'organically perfect'. I don't know how long she would live, accidents aside. Her thymus is the key to her organic immortality. Her body was originally engineered and was able to bare 'immortal' children as a 'race'.

These were born without memories in a mortal world.

The Wednesdays (yellow greys) are engineered, and clearly designed for a purpose. Wednesday as a walking talking bio-engineering facility in a four foot tall body. Taller long necked ones assemble and disassemble matter like Wednesday does the organic building blocks of life.

The 'faires' using the menses as a blueprint to create a human 'avatar'.

They are avatars for someone to inhabit, and as far as I understand, not quite existing in the physical organaic realm.

So if I were to make a guess, the idea of being born without memories, in total dependancy at the mercy of strangers who will mold you into something according to circumstance and society would be widely considered a reckless action.

Sometimes the most stupid notions can lay foundation for a big conflict.
We take it for granted, they are jealous. That will without a doubt foster discontent, on both sides.

So yeah, I think you're right there Turpine.

Wednesday wanted to achieve a purpose and used the memories of a human child to achieve my compliance in a caper. It worked by the way.

It was the side effect of what those memories did to her that caught my eye. Giving her an older brother gave her the appreciation of what it is like to have an organic human family. A first hand insight into living as a human.

I can't do the organic engineering, yet the engineering of 'family' has interesting implications.