Promising New Vaccine from Walter Reed Enters Trials

a reply to: fiverx313

No, it was a covid regulations from the government issue that #ed a lot of things up for a lot of people needlessly.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: fiverx313

No, it was a covid regulations from the government issue that #ed a lot of things up for a lot of people needlessly.

i'm sorry, i feel like we're going back and forth here with me asking you question after question, but i'm just trying to understand the full scope of it. do you have a link to this regulation or maybe the name of it or some other information so i could go read and get it straight in my head?

originally posted by: fiverx313

incoserv - Promising?

The only thing promising about any of these damned things is that I promise they'll never get in my body.

that's your choice and i support that. if you don't take an interest in the science of it, i'll make a note of that as well. thanks for your thoughts!

"Science" you call it? It's a religion, and it demands way more blind faith than my religion.

There is no science to any of this. Religion, to some degree, is a method of dealing with fear; it helps people either feel in control of of situations truly beyond their control or relinquish control to another greater than self.

You have been induced to fear, and fear deeply. Your religion, "science, falsely so called", is your coping mechanism. You'll believe anything your priests (false scientists) say in order to demise yourself into feeling in control.

Good luck with that. You'll need lots of it.
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originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: Hecate666
Oh man, you fell for it hook like and sinker.
When you say unvaccinated people spreading it, you mean those that are healthy? Or syptomless? Yeah, that's what happens in life and nature, if you don't feel ill, you are allowed to live as normal.
It's those that are elderly or frail that must look after themselves when there is a flu. Not the whole world because of a few!
It's called being responsible for your own safety.
I am healthy until feeling otherwise. I am however civilised and won't sneeze without covering my mouth, that's about as much as I owe those that have difficulties with health.

The injection is also NOT a vaccine. A vaccine means you are more or less immune and can mingle and party. NOt so with this baby. At best it is a glorified infection control or symptom easer. But there are other, much safer and far more effective drugs for that purpose out there. From ibuprofen to chicken soup, to ivermectin etc.
I repeat, it is NOT a vaccine, they only call it that so they get the no-liability clause to work for them.

You want the whole world to dance to the tune of those with compromised immune systems, for an illness that the vast majority of people will only know they have it if they get a test, which in itself is highly unreliable.
The jab however is unsafe. You don't even have long term data to deny this yet!!!

Just because you didn't keel over when you had it, doesn't mean you won't when flu season comes round.
You do know that they have tried to get mRNA 'vaccines' approved for over 20 years, right?
You know why they weren't approved?
Because
a) they were tested only on animals and
b) most animals died during the tests when coming into contact with a wild version of the virus.

It is still NOT approved. You and all the others who hold out their arms are getting an unapproved, injection that killed most test subjects, and now they are experimenting on you and your children. Unpaid, unobserved and with no liability if anything happens to you.

I don't think so mate.

you've raised a lot of point, so bear with me as i try to cover them. i'll ignore the general aspersions

i appreciate you covering your mouth when you sneeze! that's a really underrated quality and i applaud you for it! and i see that you don't feel that you have a social responsibility to protect the more vulnerable, and that's definitely a way you can think, but i don't agree. to me the point of a society is taking care of each other, and with a virus that spreads the way this one does, whether asymptomatically or pre-symptomatically, i don't care to be a vector to make another person deathly ill. and you can feel perfectly healthy and be shedding this virus... we've seen that is a fact.

it's a vaccine as much as the flu vaccine is a vaccine. and ivermectin has not been shown to have consistent results yet, studies are still out on that. surely you don't think chicken soup would have cured the 500K+ who have died?

the vaccines seem safe so far, much safer than covid. as you say, data is still coming in. but right now things are looking good.

the reason mRNA vaccines showed bad results in animals was discovered and an ingredient was added to these vaccines to prevent that reaction, and that has been working very well.

the vaccines are approved by the FDA under an emergency use authorization. if you want, i can link you to an FDA explainer that discusses how that differs from their other types of approval.

the vaccines have not killed most test subjects. it is not yet verified that any test subjects have died from it. i do not see any reason that flu season is going to kill those of us who are vaccinated.

if you don't want to get vaccinated, i support that choice. i hope that as time goes on and you see we don't have a mass die-off, you will consider whether you have been trusting some untrustworthy sources when you get your information on all of this.

Absolutely disagree.
You say it's a vaccine and that chicken soup can't cure those who died. Wow, that's some mental gymnastics there.
It isn't a vaccine because it is not preventing anything but 'easing symptoms', and that is only at about 60%.
You can ease symptoms with paracetamol or ivermectin.
You say Ivermectin is still being tested.
It has been tested for longer than this novel injection and has proven to be very mild and safe for all age groups. It has also proven in 'inofficial' studies [i.e doctors giving it to patients regardless] and have noted an almost 100% success rate in not only:
- curing the already ill [even those who were at deaths door]
but also
- as a preventative [ie. the doctors and nurses who worked with covid patients did not get ill].

It is safer, cheaper and more successful in curing and preventing than this novel injection.
Imagine they would have put as much effort and money into 'approving ivermectin for cross purposes' as they put into developing hastily a very unsafe injection never tested on humans before.

It's like killing a mosquito with a frigging Boing 747. Please ask yourself [seriously], why they didn't jump at the simpler solution whilst developing a vaccine?

Instead they disallowed it for cross purpose use!
It makes no sense to people with common sense. I think people would have rather tried ivermectin and lived, than died horribly whilst waiting for a vaccine!!!!

After all nobody could know that there would ever be a working vaccine, considering they have not managed ever to create a working vaccine against any corona virus and we talk many decades.
But ah...all of a sudden, just so they decide that the unapproved [because it is so dangerous] mRNA vaccine should just be used on humans. Hey sod it of the animal trials went bad after a few months.

Who cares that the animals died of cytokine storms, after all humans aren't animals, right?
Lets give it to kids too. No biggie.
We can't approve an already existing, safe, taken by millions without problems ivermectin CURE but we can release an untested jab because it has to be tested at some point.

When you say the jab is safe and looks promising, you are literally making it up. Because nobody on Earth can tell yet what the longterm side effects will be.
We have some data, we know that almost all animals died after months when they caught real viruses. We know why, we know how and yet we inject human beings with the same stuff and expect a different outcome?

Again, makes absolutely no sense.

Have the injection, by all means. I guess someone has to be a guinea pig, but I like to stay in the control group, mostly because I have an idea that in a few months, when flu season starts those who hailed this as safe might be in a pickle.

I just don't understand why common sense doesn't kick in with some. Aren't you afraid?

a reply to: incoserv

welp, i'm pretty sure 'science' is how they make 'vaccines' so.. agree to disagree

a reply to: Hecate666

you're welcome to disagree, by all means... but no, i'm not afraid. i'm happy to be in the inaugural class so those of you who are afraid can see it's going to be okay. better a lab rat than a plague rat i guess!

also, i think you missed the part where they discovered what factor was causing the cytokine storms in animals and corrected for it. if you want to read about it i can probably find something on that for you.

originally posted by: MissCoyote
can we cure cancer first or aids? I mean im cool with getting a cold

Let's get to work on a cure for stupid and then worry about cancer, otherwise it's hard to appreciate cancer as a threat and not a solution.

a reply to: fiverx313 I am skeptical about this vaccine, but feel it would be a better type than the mRNA vaccines. But, I have to say that there are some coronaviruses that are actually slightly beneficial for us too to control other microbes. I will have to keep an eye on this type of vaccine through the trials.

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: Hecate666

you're welcome to disagree, by all means... but no, i'm not afraid. i'm happy to be in the inaugural class so those of you who are afraid can see it's going to be okay. better a lab rat than a plague rat i guess!

also, i think you missed the part where they discovered what factor was causing the cytokine storms in animals and corrected for it. if you want to read about it i can probably find something on that for you.

To be fair wasn't it the then-unknown cause of the cytokine storm that lead to so many deaths and extended hospitalizations early on. Once they learned to treat it there were a lot fewer deaths and needs for ventilators

www.health.harvard.edu...

Dexamethasone

Many doctors, including those in the United States, have been treating very ill COVID-19 patients with corticosteroids since the pandemic began. It makes biologic sense for those patients who have developed a hyper-immune response (a cytokine storm) to the viral infection. In these cases, it is the immune system's overreaction that is damaging the lungs and other organs, and too often leading to death.

Dexamethasone and other corticosteroids (prednisone, methylprednisolone) are potent anti-inflammatory drugs. They are readily available and inexpensive.

Remdesivir

In October 2020, the FDA approved the antiviral drug Remdesivir to treat COVID-19. The drug may be used to treat adults and children ages 12 and older and weighing at least 88 pounds, who have been hospitalized for COVID-19. Clinical trials suggest that in these patients, Remdesivir may modestly speed up recovery time.

Baricitinib in combination with Remdesivir

In November 2020, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the use of Baricitinib in combination with Remdesivir in hospitalized adults and children 2 years and older who require respiratory support. However, there is not yet enough evidence to support the use of this therapy instead of dexamethasone with or without Remdesivir.

originally posted by: putnam6
To be fair wasn't it the then-unknown cause of the cytokine storm that lead to so many deaths and extended hospitalizations early on. Once they learned to treat it there were a lot fewer deaths and needs for ventilators

www.health.harvard.edu...

Dexamethasone

Many doctors, including those in the United States, have been treating very ill COVID-19 patients with corticosteroids since the pandemic began. It makes biologic sense for those patients who have developed a hyper-immune response (a cytokine storm) to the viral infection. In these cases, it is the immune system's overreaction that is damaging the lungs and other organs, and too often leading to death.

Dexamethasone and other corticosteroids (prednisone, methylprednisolone) are potent anti-inflammatory drugs. They are readily available and inexpensive.

an excellent point, and i took steroids when i got ill too. from my understanding of the studies done, it depends on what stage of illness you are in, if they are helpful.

but... and my post was not very specific so that's on me... i was responding to Hecate regarding the massive inflammation seen in test animals with earlier attempts at mRNA therapies. those reactions were due to the body's interpretation of the mRNA as a foreign object in and of itself, and that is a problem that they resolved in these new mRNA vaccines.

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: putnam6

and yet... the pfizer and moderna are 80% effective against catching it and 90% effective against getting severely ill.

pretty sure flu vaccines usually top out at 40-50% any given year and that's still a pretty big help fighting it.

Flu vaccines have to go against a number of variants at any given time. The effectiveness rates of the current round of covid vax are based on a limited number of variants which is illustrated by the disparity vs things like the African variant highlighted in the Israeli study. The point is, those 80-90% effective numbers could change significantly as the strains make their way around. I wouldn't be implying they are overall more effective than flu vaccines since the comparison can't really be made yet.

originally posted by: Halfswede
Flu vaccines have to go against a number of variants at any given time. The effectiveness rates of the current round of covid vax are based on a limited number of variants which is illustrated by the disparity vs things like the African variant highlighted in the Israeli study. The point is, those 80-90% effective numbers could change significantly as the strains make their way around. I wouldn't be implying they are overall more effective than flu vaccines since the comparison can't really be made yet.

you're completely correct, and any time i talk about how effective the vaccines are, i feel there's a 'right now' expectation built into that. the situation will continue to evolve as the viruses continue to evolve, for sure. but right now, with what's on the ground right now, those are the numbers.

originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: incoserv

welp, i'm pretty sure 'science' is how they make 'vaccines' so.. agree to disagree

Right... Mengele called it "science".

But you're welcome to the "vaccine." Hey, you can have my share! I hear the Johnson & Johnson ones are real cheap now.
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a reply to: incoserv

i know you didn't just godwins me

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: putnam6
To be fair wasn't it the then-unknown cause of the cytokine storm that lead to so many deaths and extended hospitalizations early on. Once they learned to treat it there were a lot fewer deaths and needs for ventilators

www.health.harvard.edu...

Dexamethasone

Many doctors, including those in the United States, have been treating very ill COVID-19 patients with corticosteroids since the pandemic began. It makes biologic sense for those patients who have developed a hyper-immune response (a cytokine storm) to the viral infection. In these cases, it is the immune system's overreaction that is damaging the lungs and other organs, and too often leading to death.

Dexamethasone and other corticosteroids (prednisone, methylprednisolone) are potent anti-inflammatory drugs. They are readily available and inexpensive.

an excellent point, and i took steroids when i got ill too. from my understanding of the studies done, it depends on what stage of illness you are in, if they are helpful.

but... and my post was not very specific so that's on me... i was responding to Hecate regarding the massive inflammation seen in test animals with earlier attempts at mRNA therapies. those reactions were due to the body's interpretation of the mRNA as a foreign object in and of itself, and that is a problem that they resolved in these new mRNA vaccines.

No I got that part LOL

a reply to: putnam6

oh my bad, lol... i might have hit my posting comprehension wall for the day

given the supposed dread consequences of covid, equally faced by all nations, i find it odd and in bad taste that the vaccines are presenting as a kind of competitive contest among 'brands', rather than a single, unified, co-operative effort. the 'our vaccine's better than their vaccine' approach seems crass and somewhat mercenary, if one believes the seriousness of the threat.

a reply to: MissCoyote

The mRNA technology may cure cancer. Its the dawn of a new era in medicine.

a reply to: fiverx313

So what is this like the time coke came out with diet coke, or is it all just fanta and sprite?

They trying to cash in on this vaccine craze with there latest update on the new strain of corona 1.2. First masks was supposed to stop the menace that is the covid flu. But that didnt work. So then vaccines were going to make you immune from the covid. But now we got covid 1.2 out there, and before it mutates into covid 1.3 everybody must have the latest arm jab?

This is great. It is quite amusing. But I think I will check up on all this once they get to vaccines to the symptoms that the vaccines they took had, so now they need a new vaccine to counteract the effects of the previous vaccine. Basically. think I will check back on this show once they reach covid 10.0 comes out.

So basically about the the same number iterations as Microsoft windows is at currently. Next corona will mutate into other strains of viruses. There will be ebola-covid, and crabs-covid, and viagra-covid strains to deal with.

Got to catch them all. ϞϞ(๑⚈ ․̫ ⚈๑)∩

a reply to: incoserv Exactly. There is no need. A healthy diet, and lifestyle will provide one with most if not all of the ability to weather disease. These drugs are poison, pure and simple.