Most Britons back vaccine passports to get into pub or restaurant

originally posted by: gortex
Most Britons.

This is what years of watching soap opera's and reality TV does to the brain , 62% of cloven hoofed Brits think that as over half of the country has now been vaccinated it would be jolly fine if we have to produce our passes to get into recreational venues , there was me thinking we fought a war to stop that happening but now it's an acceptable price to pay.

A survey by Ipsos MORI of more than 8,300 people aged over 16 in the UK found 78% were in favour of vaccine passports to travel abroad or to visit a relative living in a care home.

Support was also high for using the document to see a loved one in hospital (74%), or to go to the theatre or an indoor concert (68%), and for gym use or leisure centre use (63%).

Around 61% of those who responded also backed their use to attend open-air music concerts and sports events, while 58% said they would accept having to use them on public transport.
news.sky.com...

I know

, why don't we make the un-vaccinated wear a black cross on their arm.

Papers please !

Boris is a smirker, let's just leave it at that.

If a person wants into a pub, it needs to be open in the first place...if you get the drift, and this day and age, pretty papers mean feck-nothing.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Thick people think: if you havent been vaccinated that means you definitely have the China virus

Morons. Every single one of them

They already trained everyone to think that if your face doesn't have a mask on, you definitely have the CCP virus and are the equivalent of a covid zombie. This has been a long time in training. If your kid isn't vaccinated for measles, he is definitely walking around giving it to everyone. People love being controlled by fear it appears. It's all part of the plan.

a reply to: Halfswede

And I love their “well the mainstream media agrees with my outrageous beliefs, so there” smugness

Makes me laugh - at them

a reply to: Breakthestreak
We have to laugh or we'd end up punching someone.

TV is just self harm.

a reply to: gortex

I don’t know how britan is , you all alone know.

But here in the USA I would not trust any such “poll” from media outlets.

The last two elections have show how greatly they shamelessly lie creating these “polls”, they are more propaganda attempts at changing public perception here. No basis in reality at all.

I haven't been on ATS for weeks due to sudden Real Life issues - resolved now - but stand aside for an inevitable 'Godwin's Law' moment...


On 19th August 1934 in Germany, the public were asked in a referendum to decide whether an insane little sh# with a 'tache should destroy democracy and be granted the "Assumption of Supreme Power".

Needless to say, we know what 90% voted for.





TBH, I doubt the Tories will run with this vaccine passport idea, or even allow companies to enact it, but their jaws must have dropped to the floor when they realised how easy it is for citizens to WILLINGLY throw away their own freedoms.

Which I'm sure they will have scribbled into their notebooks for future reference...




"If they accept THAT so easily, what about... hmmmmm..."

Oi you got papers for that passport lad?

a reply to: gortex

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

History stupefies. Its not like America didnt have plenty of support for the Nazis.

Today we see this support (apathy is soft support) of the same in China. Stupefies i tell you.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: gortex

Or it's just more fake news with made up numbers to convince the sheep what a great idea it is.

Just like over here, there are tons of mindless sheep that actually believe Biden won the election.

Yes... thats exactly what I think it is as well. Make up the story and people will believe it.... because... well, it's down in print... black and white or colour. It's just another way for the Governments of this World to enforce something MOST people DONT want.

originally posted by: gortex

I want to know why this shade of purple is so pervasive especially in pharmaceutical drugs sales? Now it's all over public service signs. What is the significance of this? anyone know?

To answer my own question I think this site describes it well

Purple combines the stability of blue and the energy of red. Purple is associated with royalty. It symbolizes power, nobility, luxury, and ambition. It conveys wealth and extravagance. Purple is associated with wisdom, dignity, independence, creativity, mystery, and magic.

According to surveys, almost 75 percent of pre-adolescent children prefer purple to all other colors. Purple is a very rare color in nature; some people consider it to be artificial.

Light purple is a good choice for a feminine design. You can use bright purple when promoting children's products.

Light purple evokes romantic and nostalgic feelings.
Dark purple evokes gloom and sad feelings. It can cause frustration.

www.color-wheel-pro.com...

Royalty, wisdom, magic - lighter shades feminine and appeal to children.
I'm beginning to understand.

a reply to: gortex

Those numbers are similar to those of other poll from Euronews I saw some weeks ago.



In that poll they asked several questions.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
On the other hand, people should also be able to tell if another person has or hasn't been vaccinated. So that they can also make an educated decision on whether than person poses a risk to them.

With or without a vaccine, people represent the same danger, as all the CoViD-19 vaccines do not prevent people from getting the infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, they only reduce the effects of the infection.

What the governments aren't telling people is that even vaccinated people can still catch the virus and spread it, so someone that was vaccinated can catch the virus and infect someone who wasn't or even someone that was vaccinated.

That's one of the reasons I am not taking the vaccine (I already told the Portuguese health service, when asked, that I would not take it), it will not make me immune or prevent me from infecting other people if I ever get infected, so it's just a waste of time (with the possibility of side effects).

What's most disturbing is only 22% of people thought the legal and ethical ramifications (removal of most legal rights in the UK) outweighed the dreamt up economic boost a passport system is alleged to provide.

Old, rich people were happy to throw basic rights away while the younger and poorer people were the more inclined they were to be concerned about the ethical, moral and legal overhaul such a scheme would cause.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: dug88

The UK has 66 million people. 8300 is hardly a representative sample size.

Pretty much implies that you'll not only need a vaccine pass, but still have to muzzle up and maintain your distance.

Do you seriously think that Boris Johnson of all people - the guy that the western media keeps comparing to Donald Trump (The blond Adolf Hitler) - is going to tell his curtain twitching middle class tory voting base to wear masks and socially distance unless if was absolutely necessary.

Johnson want to tell you to wear a mask and socially distance just about as much as Biden wants to tell white women that they shouldn't walk alone after dark in seedy neghborhoods.

Tories and social distancing go together about as well as Democrats and AR15.

I dunno. backbench Tories have spoken out against lockdown but the Tories have been trying to scrap fundamental constitutional rights in the UK and have been privatising healthcare via stealth and selling patient information to US Pharma companies without patient consent for decades.

When the UN found the UK guilty, and first country in the world to be prosecuted, of crimes against humanity by denying disabled people the right to existence, causing several thousand to comit suicide or starve to death, the Tory front bench laughed and scrapped the Minister for Disabled People six years ago and have refused to replace them since.

Cameron and Boris both wanted to scrap the Human Rights Act once the Uk left the EU and replace it with some bull# British Bill of Rights which was all smoke and mirrors as UK judges wrote 75% of EU Human Rights law. The right wing press in the UK have printed propaganda suppoting the removal of basic rights and freedoms for decades in the UK claiming we had to leave the EU so the rights and freedoms could be fully removed.

We have Dr patient confidentiality in the UK and basic freedoms like employment, right to a private life, freedom of movement, anti-discrimination, freedom of belief, freedom of expression etc...would have to be scrapped inroduce such a scheme.

I've had the vaccine myself but I can't use anything smart or touch screen as I'm disabled and phones/tablets spazz out if I try holding them - a paper version would also exlcude me as traumatic brain injury means I have a goldfish memory for rembering where things are.

Such a scheme doesn't make any scientific or logical sense domestically (apart from certain hospital and frontline care staff) as someone vaccinated is immune to the serious effects of covid and not really at any real elevated risk if stood next to unvaccinated people (who have made the choice not to be vaccinated) so have to deal with any outfall and a pub or business shouldn't have to pick up the bill for a load of anti-vaxxers.

The only group who would benefit from a passport are those who can't have the vaccine due to serious allergy or serious health condition but they're unlikely to ever leave carehomes or hospitals and there's been no calls from such groups to introduce such a scheme.

a reply to: ArMaP

With or without a vaccine, people represent the same danger, as all the CoViD-19 vaccines do not prevent people from getting the infected by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, they only reduce the effects of the infection.

That's actually incorrect, people who have had the vaccine harbor less of the virus, and cough less, so they are less likely to spread it.

www.bbc.co.uk...

In addition if you are an anti vaxxer I simply might want to boycott you for social or political reasons. Or I might not want you around my children in case you go off on some kind of rant. Or you tell them scare stories and upset them.

I'm going to treat you like I'd treat a vegan, each to their own, but not around my steak.

a reply to: AaarghZombies
The article was published February 3rd, I wonder, when are they will formally publish the results of the study?

Good to see how well divide & rule continues to work.

People who have bought into the official line on C19 deserve only derogation and insult? Perhaps a kinder approach would achieve more - instead of insulting people, how about raising awareness in RL? You know, deny ignorance?

Polls: outcomes are always compromised by agenda, 'nudge' tactics are used. Subliminal marketing techniques are designed to coerce and influence - ALL of the 'public opinion' research outfits use these methods.

I do not accept the outcome of this poll. And Herbert was right, fear is the mind killer (and the controllers know this) and a little compassion (dirty word nowadays) goes a long way.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Make up the story and people will believe it.... because... well, it's down in print... black and white or colour.

It isn't a made up story , here's a link to the poll.
www.ipsos.com...

I've always been pretty much on the fence regarding this vaccine affair. I figured once I received my 'invite' I'd make a decision. However my age grouping has now passed and it appears my 'invitation' has been overlooked. My family (most of them have been vaccinated) have been urging me to make an appointment but somehow I am reluctant to do so.
It might just be that I don't like the feeling of being coerced but I also have no fear of the virus. That word 'invite' or 'invitation' bothers me too, I'm not sure why but I've never heard of anyone being invited to have a vaccine.

Somehow I can't see me taking it although I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies
The article was published February 3rd, I wonder, when are they will formally publish the results of the study?

Will be a few months of yet; it's very early stages of the study and two months is the minimum time pre-Covid for a piece that needed no revisions or rewriting.

There's a published Cambridge Uni study here that vaccination reduced transmission rate by 75% in hospital staff monitored during a two-week period after half a dose of Pfizer vaccine but the general figure reported in other studies is cutting transmisson by half to two-thirds - more real-world samples and tests need to be done to account for the thousands of variables involved before any data will be accurate.

paper

There's a more recent/detailed one by Uni of Glasgow of around 1mil people in Scotland over a three month period that shows it reduces it by at least a third, more likely to be half, but again that's only for one shot, not the required two so could be as high as a quarter of the transmission rate unvaccinated people pose: lPress release of study

Pre-print
Github data and manuscript sent for peer-review

a reply to: bastion

this issue:

The only group who would benefit from a passport are those who can't have the vaccine due to serious allergy or serious health condition but they're unlikely to ever leave carehomes or hospitals and there's been no calls from such groups to introduce such a scheme.

i understood that a Vaccine Passport (AKA; Excelsior Pass in NYC) is only issued to subjects who volunteered to accept the 'vaccine'

or else submitting to a 'Antibody Test' not longer than 48 hours since administered, to engage a limited access to either a Travel conveyance or Public Gathering ---and then the 'pass' expires (without having a long lasting 'Vaccine Injection')

i am actively seeking a way for me to travel/buy/sell/trade by obtaining a 'Passport', under-the-table, as i am severely allergic to both Eggs and to PEG, both of which prevent me from taking Flu Shots or the current COVID19 Shots