'Bloody Sunday': Left Activists, Labor Leaders Executed in Philippines After Duterte Says...

a reply to: Xcalibur254

So the US is responsible for Duterte's actions?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: AutomateThis1

Because the Right in this country has such a persecution complex, they have to turn Leftists in another country being killed by their government into a circle jerk about how they're being discriminated against.

What’s going on in the Philippines is not a right left thing.

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“Duterte described himself as left-leaning during his campaign and presidency, but has stressed that he was not a communist, but rather a socialist.[229][230][231]

He was once a member of the leftist Kabataang Makabayan during the 1970s.[232] He himself is a student of prominent Philippine leftist figure and founder of the Communist Party of the Philippines, Jose Maria Sison.[233][234] In his presidency, he showed support for the left in a series of speeches: on one occasion he proclaimed himself the first "leftist President"; calling the Communist Party of the Philippines "revolutionary government"; ordered his officials to file petitions in court for the release of about twenty jailed communist leaders, which led to their subsequent releases; and appointed several cabinet members from the Philippine left.[235][additional citation(s) needed]”

The Left doesn’t stop when it gains control. It always finds new ways to keep on winning.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

The argument could be made that Trump's vocal support encouraged him, but no, the US is not responsible for his actions.

I don't know where you got the idea I was blaming the US for Duterte's actions. I do find it weird that so many on the Right in the US, the former President included, have such a hard on for a foreign authoritarian President who's technically considered Center-Left. But that's pretty much it.

a reply to: NorthOfStuff

I never said it was. I merely said Duterte's regime was killing Leftist activists. Others in this thread brought up the topic of Right vs Left in the US.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I'm not saying anyone deserves assassination. What I am saying is that people die in war. Including leftist activists who appear to be supporting the rebellion.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I don't know. I don't like Trump or Duterte. But I have already been accused of being dishonest by some on the left stating that Duterte considers himself left, and that his party is also left wing.

The communists are playing their usual game of he's not left or when pressed and shown Duterte's statements, he's not a real leftist because he's not communist.

The only people I see who are okay with Duterte are only okay with him because they only know that he's against drugs and crime, but they often aren't aware of his brutality of just straight up killing whoever he wants in the name of his drug war.

He's authorized the murdering of homeless people, including children, and people accused of drug trafficking are killed without trial.

I don't like the guy, and you won't find me talking well of him. I have acquaintances from the Philippines, and what people have to remember is that there are a lot of people there who live in fear of being snatched up and killed or disappeared.

a reply to: NorthOfStuff

Look at all the people killed off. They were labor rights activists. Duerte isn't a socialist, he's insane, who brain washed himself into thinking he's one. Like the man he has likened himself too before, Hitler.

There's a new wave of this obscure "national socialism" sweeping Across the world, which involves just basically 'removing' people who don't fit the dictators or the panel of 'government officials' plans. The US is on it's way towards that path as well, I wonder when Mexico will have it's civil war. Socialists and petty criminals, rights activists are always targeted first along with some "Bigger problem" group of people that everyone can relate to hate on.
Blaming 'communists' in today's day in age is like liberals blaming 'capitalism' for all the world's problems. It's becoming all so tiresome.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

I think the Left/Right paradigm breaks down when it comes to authoritarian monsters like Duterte. They exist outside the political spectrum and the constant desire to make everything awful into Left vs Right argument only serves to diminish the horrific actions of these vile people.

a reply to: strongfp

The guy is a leftie and a socialist who doesn't like communism. Socialism and communism aren't synonymous.

Agree or disagree all you want. It is what it is. Socialists and communists aren't strangers to fighting against one another.

Duterte has a history of working with socialist groups, and yes he has a history of working with "Capitalist America." Socialism doesn't currently work too well without capitalism.

It's the same tired story. The US throws money at groups around the world and the people getting the money play along while at the same time using the funding for their own purposes.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Just because Duterte takes money from the US doesn't mean he's a capitalist or not a real lefty.

And none of this changes the fact that he's a POS.

Communists love saying only communists are left wing. That if a person claims to be a socialist and not a proponent of communism then they are actually bourgeoisie or capitalist scum.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: AutomateThis1

I think the Left/Right paradigm breaks down when it comes to authoritarian monsters like Duterte. They exist outside the political spectrum and the constant desire to make everything awful into Left vs Right argument only serves to diminish the horrific actions of these vile people.

I don't disagree. I considered myself to be a leftist for a long time, but there are some glaring issues that I found to be a constant source of contention with them, and I moved on and away from it.

Many leftists cannot accept that there can be left wing authoritarians, national supremacists, or dictators in the left-wing, and that everything evil or wrong is the fault of capitalism, capitalists, the bourgeoisie/middle class, and so on and so forth.

As soon as someone does something bad or evil they weren't a real communist, or they were agents of capitalism.

It's dumb. And heaven forbid you critique the left as a leftist.

a reply to: AutomateThis1

I'm pointing out he clearly doesn't like "communists". And doesn't stand for labor leaders and workers rights. He's liar. A blood thirsty dictator.

a reply to: strongfp

That much is obvious. I must have missed something. Who's denying that?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: projectvxn

Even under Trump there were concerns of white supremacists in the military. Hell, there have been concerns about it going back to at least Clinton.

The truth is there are a lot of people in the military that espouse white supremacist ideology. And that's by design. White supremacist leaders encourage their followers to join the military so they get training and access to weapons.

These are the kinds of people the military is trying to drum out. People with 88 and swastika tattoos. People that hand out white supremacist literature to their more easily influenced comrades.

If "white supremacy" is code for Trump supporters then where are all the people getting discharged? While I can't find exact numbers on how the military voted in this past election, we can be sure that Trump received tens of thousands of votes. So why aren't tens of thousands of troops getting their walking papers?

In fact, can you point to a single person that is claiming they were discharged simply because they support Trump?

FACT:
A number of Federal and Government buildings have been attacked in Portland, including a Police station, complete with buildings set on fire and a declaration of independence from US (e.g. CHAZ zone insurrection) and deaths.
This has been going on for MONTHS

And it is STILL GOING ON TODAY!!!

_ But, No National Guard called, the very suggestion made Democrats and leftists go up in arms

Meanwhile, there is NO such violence in DC but the National Guard troops are deployed in DC


At the same time, 70 Million Americans that did not see their Presidential candidate win are NOT looting, or setting anything on fire or declaring "independent CHAZ zones" nor engaging in widespread violence across multiple US cities like the LEFT has been doing for MONTHS


The Left are the violent ones, sport.
But don't believe your lying eyes....


No bias, none....just move along...nothing to see...

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: AutomateThis1

I'm pointing out he clearly doesn't like "communists". And doesn't stand for labor leaders and workers rights. He's liar. A blood thirsty dictator.

Stalin was the same..


“Eventually, more than a third of the Communist Party died during The Great Purge, which had the effect of terrorizing the general population, too. Many people turned on friends and family members in an attempt to save themselves from the GULAG or sure death. In the end, not even the head of the NKVD, Nikolai Yezhov, was spared. He was executed in 1940.“

history.howstuffworks.com...

a reply to: NorthOfStuff

The red army Vrs whites was a full on civil war, funded mainly by foreign governments against the Bolsheviks, and the whites lost, off to the gulag. Stalin was an actual left wing dictator. Duerte is something else.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: Xcalibur254

So the US is responsible for Duterte's actions?

Only if the US doesn't do anything about it.

Looking the other way from crimes against humanity like Duterte is committing means being just as guilty.

If it keeps up much longer, the world is headed for self destruction so much sooner. Ignoring it will further embolden the most evil people to become even more openly murderous.

Pretty soon the world will look like a huge prison full of the most violent with no guards and no opposition to stop it.

a reply to: NorthOfStuff

You have it backwards. Stalin was a communist. His red army went against the capitalist, socialists, and monarchists.

Marxist communism which is what Lenin ran with in creating his own version, which eventually led to Stalin making it his own is only possible through violence. Stalin told his Red Army to fight to the death, and that there are no POWs that anyone who wasn't a follower of Stalin was a traitor who deserved death.

This is a sentiment that many, if not most communists wannabe or not, still adhere to.

To communists anyone who isn't a communist, even socialists, are traitors and consider them part of the problem.

This is how Duterte can claim to be a left wing and a socialist, but not a communist. It may even provide some insight on why he is going around murdering people who are communists or communist sympathizers.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: Xcalibur254

So the US is responsible for Duterte's actions?

Only if the US doesn't do anything about it.

Looking the other way from crimes against humanity like Duterte is committing means being just as guilty.

If it keeps up much longer, the world is headed for self destruction so much sooner. Ignoring it will further embolden the most evil people to become even more openly murderous.

Pretty soon the world will look like a huge prison full of the most violent with no guards and no opposition to stop it.

So, when and when isn't the US government and its military supposed to do something?

Is the US military the world police or not?

Is warring in the Middle East bad, but warring in South East Asia good?

Should the US government provide weaponry and such to groups who are repressed or not?

a reply to: AutomateThis1

The US became the world police in order to sustain a "global presence". In order to sustain the national corporate interests. The whole world police thing, and spreading liberal democracy was a farce.

This is what happens when an empire implodes, it loses it's grip on it's foreign iron fist, and it's wake, guys like Duerte come to power, and main competitors like China can just walk all over everyone else.

a reply to: strongfp

Again, that much is obvious, but why do people to this day still think it's acceptable to pick and choose what is okay and what isn't okay when it come to theater of operations and who does and doesn't get weaponry and funding for their resistance?

The US funds a group to take down a dictator. Okay.
That group then becomes the next terrorist group.
Not okay.

The US needs to take all the troops out of the Middle East because the military presence agitates the people who live there.
Okay.
The US has to keep troops in the Middle East because people will be defenseless without the US support.
Okay?

It's the same #, different day.

Many of us predicted the US military would be shifted to Asia, and it looks like it may actually happen more and more as time passes by.

China now has the largest Navy, and with them poised to have access to more territories all the CCP needs to do is start building naval bases around the world.

The only thing stopping that from happening is a war. Without that the US will have to accept that it isn't the major military force it's always claimed to be. The US will have to work in cooperation with the Chinese government.

The time of US policing trade routes and agricultural areas could very well be coming to an end. In the near future we could see countries choosing to have China protect their fields and trade routes instead of the US if China offers better service.

And with the way the Biden administration is operating they are more than willing to work with China to make the CCP's goals a reality.

But back to the topic at hand with Duterte.

The dude needs to go, but it needs to be done by the people that live there. It would be preferable that he is ousted in a nonviolent manner, but knowing the nature of reality it'll more than likely be violent. That, and they will probably be receiving foreign aid to do so.

That's just the nature of such things.

The war between communists, and capitalists and socialists go back at least as far as the just before the Soviet Revolution, when Marx penned that the only way to bring about communism is by violent overthrow.

The left, and especially communists, need to move past that.