Are women sure they know what they're doing.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Are they not?

They are not.

a reply to: crayzeed

I don't want to minimize the value of your points, which are true and worthy as far as they go, but this isn't about simple harassment -- as annoying and tasteless as it might be. I gave my daughter two pieces of advice which have served her well: 1 -- If you've really got it, you don't have to flaunt it, and, 2 -- Don't advertise what isn't for sale. But this isn't that.

This is about those men who do not ask, they take... who do not flirt, they abuse... who do not love, but harm.

It's about the women and girls who don't get to walk away, disgusted but alive and well.

It's about the absolute piss poor response -- and often added insult to injury -- of law enforcement.

And it's about too many men in general who minimize and belittle the violence and brutality, and also mock and blame the victim.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Edumakated

At the same time, I've known an equal number of guys who've been falsely accused.

May I ask how you know or why you believe they were falsely accused? I swear I'm not asking in a snarky way. I've asked myself the same questions regarding my perspective towards both men and women. I've been shocked a few times at the number of men I thought were good guys that ultimately showed their true colors. But I haven't been shocked when starting a new job or joining some group to find that every woman warns the new women about the same men. When a dozen women say "watch out for so-and-so," and there are no outliers warning about other men, you know to trust the women -- and they are always proven right by the men themselves.

I don't doubt that some men are falsely accused, or even true (perhaps questionable but not criminal) circumstances exagerated to a criminal level. But how can you know which are which?

Women are just as conniving and deceitful in a different way.

Some women are. Depending on one's perspective, even many women are.

For every guy that will force himself on a woman, there is another THOT who will purposely try to get herself impregnated or will falsely cry about being assaulted for clout or a check.

Um... just to be clear, I'm not feeling sorry for any man who impregnates a woman whether it was purposeful on her part or not. Each time and every time is a luck of the draw for a man, and if he isn't ready for those consequences and responsibility, then he knows what to do. And what NOT to do. Men own their own actions.

I will agree that women are far more likely to commit financial/economic crimes, and I'd include extorting money out of men for real or imagined sex crimes (and I use "crimes" both figuratively and literally here) to be high on that list. But I'm not buying your ratio. It's impossible to quantify.

Simple. The cases were thrown out in court and the women admitted to falsifying the accusations.

Just as there are men who are dirt bags, there are plenty of women who are too. I think society just likes to down play how conniving women can be.

Example 1: Childhood friend accused of rape. He spent about a month in jail. He and some friends I guess picked up a stripper. I guess stripper wanted more money so accused them of rape. She never showed up to court and case was thrown out.

Example 2: I know of FOUR cases at my undergraduate institution where a girl falsely accused a guy of rape. Three of the four cases made local newspapers. The three cases ultimately thrown out and girls admitted to making up the assault charges. Ruined athletic careers. In one of the cases, the girl was trying to avoid getting in trouble because she had got caught being out after curfew in her dorm...

Example 3: Best friend had some girl he was banging a few years back come out of nowhere trying to claim he had a son. Of course, it wasn't his kid and she was just trying to extort some cash out of him.

Plenty of high profile cases... Duke lacross. Tawanna Brawley. Kavanaugh.

a reply to: Edumakated

Simple....the women admitted to falsifying the accusations.

That's pretty definitive!

Just as there are men who are dirt bags, there are plenty of women who are too. I think society just likes to down play how conniving women can be.

Really? In a world with incels and MGTOWs and MRAs and TRAs and plain old male chauvinist pigs... always ready, willing and able to believe the worst of women and spew it loud and proud? Including the most blatent and brazen physical/sexual threats against women???

But you think it's women's faults that are "downplayed" by society?

Example 1: Childhood friend accused of rape. He spent about a month in jail. He and some friends I guess picked up a stripper. I guess stripper wanted more money so accused them of rape. She never showed up to court and case was thrown out.

Hmmmm... that sounds pretty dodgy to me. If I had to bet, I'd say everyone was lying about something...

Example 2: I know of FOUR cases at my undergraduate institution where a girl falsely accused a guy of rape. Three of the four cases made local newspapers. The three cases ultimately thrown out and girls admitted to making up the assault charges. Ruined athletic careers. In one of the cases, the girl was trying to avoid getting in trouble because she had got caught being out after curfew in her dorm...

I have heard that this is a problem on campuses, as well as actual sexual assaults, compounded by ridiculous reporting and investigating protocols standards, usually unfairly favoring one side or the other. That needs to be addressed and reformed. False claims cheapen genuine crimes, but honest and legitimate investigation must happen when reports are made.

Perhaps some general education and awareness for all students is in order. Just as women take precautions not to be in risky situations with men, so too can men take precautions not to put themselves in risky situations with women. No matter how tempted they might be.

Example 3: Best friend had some girl he was banging a few years back come out of nowhere trying to claim he had a son. Of course, it wasn't his kid and she was just trying to extort some cash out of him.

Pretty stupid what with the paternity tests these days... or just the gambling type, hoping to get lucky since they'd had a relationship at one time. She must have expected him to want one. Did she try to fight it? How brazen was she?

Plenty of high profile cases... Duke lacross. Tawanna Brawley. Kavanaugh.

Duke -- definitely looks like that was extortion... but that's one of those situations where men need to take more responsibility for putting themselves in that position. The dishonest and trustworthy hooker isn't just a stereotype.

Brawley and Kavanaugh were political, and contrived, intended and designed to be high profile, so I put those in their own hall of shame. But your point there is especially true!

a reply to: Boadicea

Really? In a world with incels and MGTOWs and MRAs and TRAs and plain old male chauvinist pigs... always ready, willing and able to believe the worst of women and spew it loud and proud? Including the most blatent and brazen physical/sexual threats against women???

But you think it's women's faults that are "downplayed" by society?

The risk to men for a failed relationship is far higher than it is for women; that is why many men are choosing to forgo marriage or live like a monk.

There are some great women out there and great men. I've been happily married 20 years. I think my wife would say I'm a great guy.

Generally speaking, I think there is a disconnect right now in society in terms of what men want and what women want. This is largely brought on by the women's rights / feminist movement imho.

Men generally want a partner and a woman who is there to support them. Men have different needs than women. This is why a man can be perfectly happy with a ditzy blond young enough to be his daughter. Men aren't looking to compete with their spouse professionally. Nor do they want to find themselves paying out exorbidant sums of money for a failed relationship in the courts. Woman cheats on a guy and guy winds up paying 30-40% of his income in maintenance / alimony. WTF?

On the other hand, women are hypergamist. THey talk a good game about wanting equality, etc but at the end of the day, they still want a certain type of man who is seen as a provider. This is why you see so many educated professional women who are always complaining they can't find a man. The woman makes a couple hundred grand per year and no man is good enough unless he is making MORE money than she is which already makes the men available scarce.

Further, men and women are disconnected. Women tend to hit their stride at say 25 years old physically. On the other hand, a man really isn't in his prime until his late 30s/40s. He is nearing his peak career earnings.

See a man making good money in his 30s and 40s can pull the 25 year old every day of the week. On the other hand, a career woman in her late 30s is hitting the wall physically. Men the same age and career place as her aren't as interested in her.

I heard a grandmother say the key to a happy marriage with a man is to keep his belly full and his balls empty. Modern women today can't boil water and most of you liberalize chicks have been stretched and worn out by the time the football team is done.

From my point of view, MGTOW is just risk management for many men.... why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

‘So how then do we address the increasing brutality and violence against women by men?

Because your entire premise seems to be "Not all men do it, so shut the hell up about the ones who do so you don't hurt our feelings." ‘

Reply to Boadica

Some of us on this website have endured physical assault by female partners. Who take photos of bruising they sustained while perpetrating assault, with the intention of claiming the damage was defensive in nature.
Some of us put up with it because the alternative is to play right into their hands.
Hell. Some of us even took their hellion partner back to the very spot they met them and released them back into the wild.
Mainly because there is no recourse for men who get assaulted by women. At all.
So it’s hardly feelz, etc. some of us are just pragmatic realists.

a reply to: Edumakated

Oh wow. This level of presumption, stereotyping and misogyny takes mansplaining to a whole new level... or maybe it would be more accurate to say this level of mansplaining takes misognyny to a whole new level.

Women are just like men, and they come in all kinds -- the best and the worst, with most somewhere in between. There is no excuse for the bad behavior of either side. But neither is there any comparison with the worst of the men's behavior with the worst of the women's behavior. The former is far far more likely to leave dead bodies. Overwhelmingly so.

And it's particularly vile to rely on false accusations as an excuse when the discussion is about one of those dead female bodies at the hands of a man behaving badly. There is no false accusation here to save the murderer.

I would also add that you are apparently not aware of how many women, and especially young women, are ready to write men out of their life completely because of their violent tendencies, including in the bedroom. Up to and including declaring themselves transgender, lesbian or asexual. The truth is that the more men who go their own way, the better off women as a whole will be. That's really not the threat you seem to think it is.

a reply to: Dalamax

So we do nothing about the many men who brutalize and even kill women because some women scratch and bruise some men? Including a police officer who kills a woman after his police department knowingly and deliberately protected him from his previous sex crimes??? Men can kill women with impunity because some women are physically abusive?

Is that what you are saying? Do I have that right?

Or would you like to expand, qualify, clarify your thoughts?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: CthruU

The "Pussyhat Project" has reached these shores , radical feminists with an anti-male agenda are trying to force political change and judging by what I see around me are succeeding , government is keen to acquiesce to show they care about issues for fear of losing votes , freedom of speech is being curtailed as no one is allowed to offend anyone anymore.

Definitions of racism and sexism are being broadened and anything that upsets someone is pounced upon to show how bad anyone who doesn't agree with the popular narrative is , not a fan of his but look how Piers Morgan was treated when he voiced his opinion on the Meghan Markle interview live on air but when Naga Munchetty made remarks about Donald Trump that was deemed acceptable and no action was taken.

Tragic times everywhere i look and in every direction....

Agreed , we are headed for a dark place and it's feminist activists who are taking us there , the internet will become even more sanitized and free speech will only be free as long as it follows their rules.

The male in positions of authority, who are accused of sexual assault should be replaced by a woman.

Let the women of the world hold the reins for a while.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: CthruU

Understandable to a degree if your a victim or close to one...

The overwhelmingly vast majority of women have been a victim of men's abuse to one degree or another, and virtually every women knows at least one woman who has been a victim of a man's brutality.

...but end of day give me a break i haven't taken a personal stance...

Please. Give us a break! You wrote a freaking OP to threaten women who complain about male violence against women.... Although, to be quite honest, men threatening not to be with women who complain about men abusing women really isn't much of a threat. Except to the extent that she knows you won't be protecting her from any abusive men. You'll be standing up for the abusive man. It's actually more of a fair warning than a threat.

...or at least tried very hard to articulate the point without doing so.

In other words, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about in terms of the facts, truth and big picture, but by golly gee you're gonna stick up for all the poor menz whose feelz are getting hurt and tell the womenz to shut the hell up. Because that's sooooooooooooooo much more important than broken and battered female bodies.

Gotcha.

I know several women who have been victims of women’s abuse as well. Some on multiple occasions.
Ever hear or read of these occurrences?

originally posted by: Boadicea
And, of course, every girl from puberty onward has been subject to vile and inappropriate comments by men, if not touching. Actual grown ass men.

This is my understanding as well. It’s soul crushing, as a man, when this realisation first occurs.

a reply to: Dalamax

I have acknowledged again and again that women can and are also abusive, both physically and otherwise. I've never denied it.

But the numbers -- and the dead bodies -- are clear. The overwhelming majority of violent crime is committed by men. The overwhelming majority of violent crime is against both men and women is committed by men. Theoverwhelming majority of men are overwhelmingly stronger and bigger than their female victims and inflict overwhelmingly more damage to their female victims. And, of course, the overwhelming majority of women killed are killed by men, and to a lesser extent, by men they know.

There is no moral relative here. One wrong does not cancel another wrong. And especially when the level of harm inflicted is so greatly disproportionate.

What you refuse to say is far more telling than what you have said.

a reply to: Dalamax

This is my understanding as well. It’s soul crushing, as a man, when this realisation first occurs.

Thank you for recognizing this and saying this and being that guy. Women need more men to say this out loud. The good guys need more good guys to say this out loud. And so much more.

Please understand that's just where it starts for girls and women. For most of us. And we're the lucky ones (grrrrr....). It only gets worse from there.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Dalamax

So we do nothing about the many men who brutalize and even kill women because some women scratch and bruise some men? Including a police officer who kills a woman after his police department knowingly and deliberately protected him from his previous sex crimes??? Men can kill women with impunity because some women are physically abusive?

Is that what you are saying? Do I have that right?

Or would you like to expand, qualify, clarify your thoughts?

Women tend to poison their victims. Some even threaten to murder men while they sleep, but I only know that from personal experience.

Admittedly I don’t pay attention to society at large, the majority of which turns my stomach.
The sexualisation of children seems to have been ignored and I hate humanity for it.

As to the many of men who brutalise women, I would postulate that they also brutalise and murder men with the same impunity. Dogs will bite.
Anyone is free to kill whomever, the only crime is getting caught.
There’s an honest statement for you to chew on.

I would try to avoid putting words in my mouth, they taste funny when they belong to someone else.

Hope that’s enough clarity for you.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Dalamax

This is my understanding as well. It’s soul crushing, as a man, when this realisation first occurs.

Thank you for recognizing this and saying this and being that guy. Women need more men to say this out loud. The good guys need more good guys to say this out loud. And so much more.

Please understand that's just where it starts for girls and women. For most of us. And we're the lucky ones (grrrrr....). It only gets worse from there.

I’m not that guy at all. People make me angry and society makes me invalid. I don’t count and I don’t matter. I observe and listen because it’s all I have.

If protesting and bringing awareness to the plight of women hasn’t occurred by now, it is by design.
Smoke and mirrors. Bread and circuses.
Feelz and finger pointing. Whatever.

Oh. And what exactly am I avoiding saying that’s speaks volumes about my outlook?
Inquiring minds want to know.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Boadicea

Pluck the eyeballs out of all men?

I genuinely feel your hate and it's justified. As I asked in my first post how many men truly find issue with things like a wolf whistle. I've met 1 man in my life who has, he pulled the wool from my naive little eyes and I thank him for giving me the moral fortitude to call out scummy male behaviour.

Personally I learned to be disgusted by such actions by my own father, whom when he was out of ear shot of his wife was and still is an absolute filthy pig, even worse when he was with his brother. And yes he committed adultery on more than one occasion.

But that's all joyous manly man ways right?

I say that's where it starts, normalising the way women are treated.

"all joyous manly man ways" ????????

Blame every (manly) male now ?

Sorry, this may hurt you but the vast VAST majority of men are NOT like your father or uncle.
THEY are the ones that hurt you.
NO ONE ELSE

NOT my Dad, my brother, my cousins, my uncles and the vast majority of people I interacted with.
ALL of which treated women with decency and respect.

PERIOD.

originally posted by: Dalamax

I would try to avoid putting words in my mouth, they taste funny when they belong to someone else.

Hope that’s enough clarity for you.

Okay. Whatever. I did not try to put words in your mouth. I did not want to put words in your mouth. But I had only your words to discern your thoughts, I shared very clearly what those words were telling me, and I gave you every opportunity to adjust as you deemed appropriate.

I can only assume you did so.

We've now both had our say. Our words will stand on their own merit. And I'm good with that.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Dalamax

So we do nothing about the many men who brutalize and even kill women because some women scratch and bruise some men? Including a police officer who kills a woman after his police department knowingly and deliberately protected him from his previous sex crimes??? Men can kill women with impunity because some women are physically abusive?

Is that what you are saying? Do I have that right?

Or would you like to expand, qualify, clarify your thoughts?

These funny tasting words. 👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿

Don’t make an ass out of you and me.

Still waiting for you to quantify, expand on or clarify what it was that I was not saying that was so telling.

Tough to say given the nature of the sexe's an that not everything so cut an dry, does take two tango.

Thing is if a women is afraid to tell cops or friends by being threatened, or being abused, they might as well be good as dead. Only shame there is they didn't tell anyone, while the ones screaming or dare say bragging about it should get a big slap or slap with fine.

Sean Connery says the best way to deal with a woman is a slap to the face. And has been married to the same one for years....he really is a wizard.

Civil system does need one hell of a revamp though.

Umm... ya...
Anyone else remember when kav was being confirmed for the supreme court? Ford testified and told her story of how kav and his buddy pinned her down, ect. What she described WAS sexual assault.
Does anyone else remember how many came out and basically tried to tell us that this was just normal behavior?
Trump's "locker room talk"?
Well, I rejected the idea that what ford described was just the normal behavior of young men and I rejected the idea that what trump was saying was the usual locker room talk! I still do. I would have busted my son's behind and ground him for a very long time if I found out it did what kav was said to have done to a girl. And, anyone stupid enough to even say what trump said out loud, let alone with mic's and recording equipment around is opening themselves up to have a bunch of women coming out of the woodwork, especially if the have big money!
I really think that when people say these stupid things in an attempt to protect the accused, they do more to caste all men in that negative way more than any women who dares come out with an accusation.
It's not the women making the accusation that is the problem, it is how it is handled after it is made. It would be better if there was less talk in the public sphere and more investigation and seeking real justice in the law enforcement/courts.