Israeli deaths after the 1st jab being covered up? 40x Deaths than from Covid

A group of engineers is claiming excessive death during the vaccination of Israel

We conclude that the Pfizer vaccines, for the elderly, killed during the 5-week vaccination period about 40 times more people than the disease itself would have killed, and about 260 times more people than the disease among the younger age class.

Other outlets have picked up on the analysis
Challenging mortality figures

There is a mismatch between the data published by the authorities and the reality on the ground.
They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet. These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.
In January 2021, there were 3,000 records of vaccine adverse events, including 2,900 for mRNA vaccines.
Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher.
On February 11, a Ynet article presented data related to vaccination. The authors of the Nakim article claim to have debunked this analysis based on data published by Ynet itself: “We took the data by looking at mortality during the vaccination period, which spans 5 weeks. By analyzing these data, we arrived at startling figures that attribute significant mortality to the vaccine."
The authors say “vaccinations have caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have caused during the same period."
Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann declare that for them, "this is a new Holocaust," in face of Israeli authority pressure to vaccinate citizens.
They also invite specialists to complete their analyses

Also included as part of a larger analysis in this article
Brit ish and Israeli government data confirm Covid-19 vaccine risk: infections Increase in the fortnight after jab

More evidence of iatrogenic harm came from Israel, which started vaccinating on 19th December. As reported by former New York Times journalist Alex Berenson, while Covid-19 mortality escalated among Israelis throughout January, in Palestine it declined steeply after a surge in December. Yet the Palestinians had no vaccine.

This correlation is more than coincidental. Analysis of Israeli health ministry data by Hervé Seligmann at Aix-Marseilles University indicates that about 40 times more elderly people died of Covid-19 in the three weeks between their first and second doses than among those who were not vaccinated. Sacrificial lambs?

The last article mentions several other suspicious cases, but the worrisome part is why isnt this data isnt getting more run? Is Col Jessup right, we cant handle the truth? The elitist running things seem to think so.

This needs proper scrutiny, not reckless denial by those who are meant to protect us. This defensiveness and censorship is how the thalidomide scandal arose. The authorities have apparently cast aside everything we have learned about ethical safeguards in clinical and experimental treatment. Perhaps it is relevant that the British medicine regulator is heavily funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

On a separate vaccine issue in Europe
Kudos to the countries stopping vaccination while they investigate the blood clotting reports, I dont think we would here in the US

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Seems pretty logical. On one hand, you've got a virus that over a year has been shown to be, overwhelmingly, only primarily deadly to the extreme elderly or health compromised individual...not many others...on the other hand you've got an experimental treatment with barely any testing created by companies with extremely shady histories that are totally exempt globally from liability over damages.

Which do you think is likely to cause more longterm harm and damage?

When will be getting the death count in America?

My mother had the vaccine.
My sister-in-law got the 2nd shot the other day
She also tested positive a few months ago
My brother never tested positive yet and won't take the vaccine .

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Isreal didnt plan very well you want to test people to make sure they dont already have the virus this is going to mess up the results. After getting an injection your body strats producing antibodies which will lower your immune response. If your body already has the virus you are just further taxing their immune system. Basically to much for the body to handle at once same reason you get 2 half doses as opposed to one large one. Overtax your immune system you will get sick though unlikely to die unless you just refuse treatent and dont go to the doctor. Its easy to fix we call it adrenaline a shot and you will feel better in a couple of hours. This is why the US has not reported any increases and it surprises me that Isreal has. Most countries with a healthcare system this is a minor problem.

In the US during December 14–23, 2020, monitoring by the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System detected 21 cases of anaphylaxis after administration of a reported 1,893,360 first doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (11.1 cases per million doses); 71% of these occurred within 15 minutes of vaccination. Of the 21 casses they were all treated in the hospital and they all survived. Of these 7 were known to have had this response before with other vacines. Anaphylaxis can occur anywhere from 2 min to 240 minutes. Yes it could kill you however death is very rare especially if someone gives you a shot of epinephrine you will start feeling better immediatly. This is an alergic reaction no different then people that are allergic to food or bee stings. Yes people have to carry around epi pens for this just in case.

This in no way detracts from the safety of the virus since as I said 11.1 casses per million doses.

In Pennsylvania today they had a report of about 4000 unreported COVID deaths. In PA old folks homes are also COVID centers too, governor wolf should be brought to justice and his Tranny health partner and the rest of his administration should answer too. I wouldn’t be surprised if these u reported deaths where actually the results of their cruel social experiments.

a reply to: Brotherman

Yes if someone in a nursing home gets Covid they should be either quarantined or removed immediately.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Brotherman

Yes if someone in a nursing home gets Covid they should be either quarantined or removed immediately.

In Pennsylvania if you have COVID they put you in the nursing home unit for COVID to keep the other hospitals operational. Around here they put residents in a different wing and consolidated them and clear floors for the 5 people that show up with the sniffles. Older folks in my neck of the woods are not happy.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: 111DPKING111

Seems pretty logical. On one hand, you've got a virus that over a year has been shown to be, overwhelmingly, only primarily deadly to the extreme elderly or health compromised individual...not many others...on the other hand you've got an experimental treatment with barely any testing created by companies with extremely shady histories that are totally exempt globally from liability over damages.

Which do you think is likely to cause more longterm harm and damage?

A preprint on medRxiv.org show that hamsters (who respond to vira much like us) showed natural immunity to all strains after having been already infected by the original.

Just to throw a cynical wrench into the wheel.

The thing is, as a race we are equipped with blinders. And it shows in everything we do. We only focus on "more" and our emotions make it impossible for us to make long term judgement calls for a greater good.

Earth is not a sentient being, BUT, it is a careful balance, and we are not a creature of balance, amazingly enough. We probably started out as so, but we have definitely removed ourselves from that balance and continue to do so.

I see life on Earth as a swining pendulum. If part of that life keeps dragging the pendulum too far to one side, at some point it can't be dragged anymore and it will swing to the opposite side.
This is true for anything, even economy.

Pandemics are one of the forces trying to force the pendumlum to the other side. But we seem to be very adept at holding on to it. It's stupid.

But hey, just like people who have more than they need can't see why they should share more, humanity as a race can't NOT keep fighting balance.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: 111DPKING111
On one hand, you've got a virus that over a year has been shown to be, overwhelmingly, only primarily deadly to the extreme elderly or health compromised individual...not many others.

5% for the extreme at risk, and only if untreated. That drops to 0.5% or less when they are treated with something know to work (Ivermectin, Hydroxy+Zinc, high dose IV vit c)...

The rest? 0.005% - again, if untreated. Which drops to what... 0? when treated properly.

on the other hand you've got an experimental treatment with barely any testing

Actually, it (mRNA technology) has apparently had a bit of testing, but it is the potential for extreme irreversible harm (either through simple mistake/accident or nefarious malicious intention)

created by companies with extremely shady histories that are totally exempt globally from liability over damages.

Which do you think is likely to cause more longterm harm and damage?

Exactly...

Related? Also posted in other thread about cytokine storms:

I went diggine and found this report from 2012, where a study was conducted to review the safety of 4 Sars-Cov-1 vaccines. They found that the mice subjects who had the vaccines did in fact suppres the virus, but they also ended up with severly damage lungs as opposed to the un-vaccinated mice.

They go on to draw similarities to the RSV vaccine scandal, where infants who received the vaccine and exposed to the RSV virus ended up with severe respiratory issues. Two of them died.

All in all, those 4 vaccines couldn't go into human trials.

Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology

So... I guess time will tell, it's just a bit curious with all that is going on now.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Number of COVID-19 vaccine doses administered worldwide as of March 14, 2021, by country - Statista

Seems like more than 9 million in Israel. Israel is also using the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine.

The US government is tracking any issues with vaccines. As the USA has more doses of COVID-19 vaccines delivered than any other country, its data is likely to be the most representative of any issues: Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Data - HHS.govt

a reply to: 111DPKING111

In America people died from covid because it was political, now with the injection is not dying from covid or the injection, but dying from "underlying health problems",

the whole caper is bogus in the extreme.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: 111DPKING111

In America people died from covid because it was political, now with the injection is not dying from covid or the injection, but dying from "underlying health problems",

I think they died from COVID-19 because it is a disease.

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
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On a separate vaccine issue in Europe
Kudos to the countries stopping vaccination while they investigate the blood clotting reports, I dont think we would here in the US

Just a marketing stunt to make it appear they are being prudent and cautious. To give more confidence to the public that the vaccines that they are administering, and when they will restart with AstraZeneca again, that it's safe/are safe (or the rewards are more worth it than the risks).

It's just for show. If they really were being cautious with it, they wouldn't already have administered millions of vaccinations of all 3 types that are popular in Europe (Moderna, Pfizer and AstraZeneca; none of which are worth the unknown and highly dubious supposed and claimed rewards vs unknown and known risks that include death caused by vaccination primarily.* Not to mention that it doesn't stop you from getting the Corona virus and when you do catch it shortly after vaccination, you'll have 2 problems to deal with, the vaccine and the virus, both affecting the body in similar ways and causing similar problems, so you're doubling up on those). *: considering alternatives

Nakim continues to make updates to this story for those wishing to keep up.
www.nakim.org...

If nothing else, the court case in this other thread could at least force more news outlets to cover it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: whereislogic

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
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On a separate vaccine issue in Europe
Kudos to the countries stopping vaccination while they investigate the blood clotting reports, I dont think we would here in the US

Just a marketing stunt to make it appear they are being prudent and cautious.

Maybe right, several incidents have not been properly researched. Hoping the stories just go away. I think the built in expectation there will be a few who have side effects helps govts. The question is, how much is being covered up?
unitynewsnetwork.co.uk...

a reply to: 111DPKING111

What I'd like to see is every day when they give the number for new cases, hospitalizations and deaths, that they report how many of these were already vaccinated. They have this information but it isn't shared. How convenient.

What I've seen is that since they started with vaccination in my country, the number of new cases and number of people in the hospital has gone up. In all fairness, the most notable rise happened after they re-opened the schools (a connection that they continuously deny in spite of reports of significant outbreaks in schools, causing the school to have to be closed again).

I've also seen quite a few news reports reporting on significant outbreaks in nursing homes after vaccination, often leaving out how that nursing home was doing before vaccination (how many cases and such); so I can only assume they were doing much better before (otherwise, why wouldn't they point out that there was no significant difference between before and after vaccination, or that in spite of the outbreak, the nursing home is still doing better after vaccination). Also, when the story about an outbreak is told by residents or nurses with no particular stake in the matter of vaccination, they usually include a mention that the number of cases in that particular nursing home was much less significant than after vaccination, or this outbreak that they're talking about (a couple of those type of stories can be found in this subforum). So when I do hear something about the difference between before and after vaccination in these nursing homes, it's usually negative for the vaccine-sellers.

Instead, the government funded news and statistical organizations, don't miss any opportunity to point out that the number of nursing homes where there is at least 1 case has been going down since vaccination (in my country), immediately linking this to the supposed effectiveness of the vaccine rather than mentioning the possibility that this could be related to the normal eb and flow of the pandemic (as in, being on the downslope of a wave), rather than due to vaccination.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: 111DPKING111

Seems pretty logical. On one hand, you've got a virus that over a year has been shown to be, overwhelmingly, only primarily deadly to the extreme elderly or health compromised individual...not many others...on the other hand you've got an experimental treatment with barely any testing created by companies with extremely shady histories that are totally exempt globally from liability over damages.

Which do you think is likely to cause more longterm harm and damage?

Something about 78% covid hospitalizations in America were also obese?