Hyatt claps back at Nazis

Let's consider a conspiracy for a moment.

Really who would know this was a Nazi symbol?

Probably not many of the normal conservatives. I have been on this site for years surrounded by ultra right wing people and I have never seen this symbol brought up. Swastika, yes, this symbol - no.

Just a coincidence? - I don't believe in them.
Yes, I think it was done intentionally. But why and who did it?

Could it have been a dog whistle for Nazis followers (I don't know what they are called today). Maybe, but they aren't exactly a big voting block. Do you think someone would create this stage and not think someone in the general public would pick up on it?

Or how about this theory. Set designers are well designers. The event and design industry isn't exactly known for their conservative views. In fact, I would say about 90% are extremely liberal.

What if the set designer wanted to purposely sabotage the event? I can see it making it's way through the various levels of approval. This design wasn't in the publics knowledge base.

a reply to: Daughter2

some liberal soytard with a stick up their ass made it.

originally posted by: Daughter2
Let's consider a conspiracy for a moment.

Really who would know this was a Nazi symbol?

Probably not many of the normal conservatives. I have been on this site for years surrounded by ultra right wing people and I have never seen this symbol brought up. Swastika, yes, this symbol - no.

Just a coincidence? - I don't believe in them.
Yes, I think it was done intentionally. But why and who did it?

Could it have been a dog whistle for Nazis followers (I don't know what they are called today). Maybe, but they aren't exactly a big voting block. Do you think someone would create this stage and not think someone in the general public would pick up on it?

Or how about this theory. Set designers are well designers. The event and design industry isn't exactly known for their conservative views. In fact, I would say about 90% are extremely liberal.

What if the set designer wanted to purposely sabotage the event? I can see it making it's way through the various levels of approval. This design wasn't in the publics knowledge base.

TaDaaaaa

CPAC’s ‘Nazi Rune’ Stage Designed By A Liberal Company Which Has Worked For Biden, MSNBC

Isn't it funny how ALL slurs are seen as wrong and poor taste pretty much 99% of the time, hell even redneck is on the list now, but there is one NAZI and boy is it used by so many on the left to explain just about anything on the right.

Maybe if the right said in reply to every Nazi slur they would just say... "but you are a pedophile" to show how stupid both slurs are....

a reply to: sunkuong

I think people are too focused on symbology rather than ideology. The symbol is nothing without the ideology behind it.

I remember the beginning of The DaVinci Code. People thought they saw a swastika when it was really a symbol from ancient Egypt. They saw Satan's pitchfork when it was really Neptune's Trident. Its just a symbol.

Would socialist cancel culture suddenly be harmless fun if their symbol was a fluffy unicorn? We need to stop looking at symbols and start looking at the actions of the people behind them. For example, I have heard so many people say any white pride group is really a militant racist hate group. Yet, having looked at some of their platforms I find that some have more centrist goals. They want legal immigration, not an end to it. They want a level playing field, not preferential treatment. For some of these groups their talking points are not unlike conservatives or liberals. Its just that they are looking at it from the perspective of a white person - which unfortunately has become a crime in this country.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Symbols serve a purpose

In the present day, the odal rune has been adopted as a replacement for the swastika in American far-right circles, notably by the National Socialist Movement (NSM), who changed their logo to the odal rune in November 2016. The change was specifically in response to the election of Donald Trump, as the NSM’s leadership hoped there would be an opening for their entry into mainstream conservative contexts under Trump and believed the odal rune would be more presentable to the public than the swastika. (“Our flags and banners now bear the odal rune, and our patches will soon follow suit,” the NSM’s then-leader Jeff Schoep wrote at the time. “The party leadership has every intention to bring our party, our leaders, our members and supporters into the halls of government here in the United States, and to do that we must reach more of the public.”) The NSM’s odal flag was seen at the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, that resulted in the death of anti-fascist protestor Heather Heyer after a self-identified white supremacist rammed her with his car.

I wonder which existence is more difficult to prove - or accept? Jesus, UFOs or Nazis?

Well, Ya got trouble, my friend, right here
I say, trouble right here in River City

:-)

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

actual Nazi's do not exist today. Wannabe Nazi's absolutely exist. What puzzles me the most is that folks in 2020/2021 seem to deem them a threat. In the 80's when i was growing up, we all just kinda saw them as comical morons. The only time you heard about the racists and skinheads in America in the news was when they were getting owned in court, or they were being ridiculed en masse.

While i understand the sentiment, consider how traumatic it would be for someone who lived through the holocaust to hear this being said? This watered down version of actual Nazi's....I just don't buy into it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

On a related note: i grew up in West Texas, and remember in the early 80's how the federal government had to desegregate Ector County ISD. I remember how stupid it sounded to me, at the time, that any of that was an issue. I was maybe 1st or 2nd grade....but i remember the story, and the rancor seen on the news from it. And i honestly think some of those poor souls believed they were doing something good by simply resisting change. Useful idiots abound, and will often volunteer.

Today, we are what...40 years down the road from that incident? And we are resegregating ourselves. Im without words. What would Rosa Parks say?

originally posted by: Daughter2
Let's consider a conspiracy for a moment.

Really who would know this was a Nazi symbol?

Probably not many of the normal conservatives. I have been on this site for years surrounded by ultra right wing people and I have never seen this symbol brought up. Swastika, yes, this symbol - no.

Just a coincidence? - I don't believe in them.
Yes, I think it was done intentionally. But why and who did it?

Could it have been a dog whistle for Nazis followers (I don't know what they are called today). Maybe, but they aren't exactly a big voting block. Do you think someone would create this stage and not think someone in the general public would pick up on it?

Or how about this theory. Set designers are well designers. The event and design industry isn't exactly known for their conservative views. In fact, I would say about 90% are extremely liberal.

What if the set designer wanted to purposely sabotage the event? I can see it making it's way through the various levels of approval. This design wasn't in the publics knowledge base.

I agree with you almost completely. I do think however that this could be a legitimate mistake but, I doubt that. It's too perfect. It just all fits too well but we're never going to know for sure. I'd also never seen this symbol either as far as I can remember.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Wannabe Nazi's absolutely exist

If I want to be a Catholic - am I only a wannabe? Can I be? Philosophy, belief - desire. What makes something qualify for you?

Do there have to be ovens, or is it enough that there are people who wish there were? I think it's very easy to say anything you don't want to believe exists - doesn't exist. We all do it. Eastern Europe is having some issues with wannabe Nazis right now. It all starts out as good clean fun

Anyway - the information I posted was mostly to point out that symbolism isn't meaningless or useless. I honestly hope it was a liberal troll. I actually think in it's own way that would be hilarious. Someone should definitely get fired - but still

Assuming it's not some random and ironic coincidence - then we have bigger problems to face. The wannabe Nazis have a very big budget to work with - apparently - and are no longer worried about appearances

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Wannabe Nazi's absolutely exist

If I want to be a Catholic - am I only a wannabe? Can I be? Philosophy, belief - desire. What makes something qualify for you?

Well, with Nazi's, it was a political party. That would be one big hurdle (ie, enough following to carry political clout). Beyond that, maybe if we see people being actually rounded up and murdered or experimented on...i'd possibly agree. There are likely quite a few Jewish people who have an opinion they'd like to share on this...id recommend talking to them.

Do there have to be ovens, or is it enough that there are people who wish there were? I think it's very easy to say anything you don't want to believe exists - doesn't exist. We all do it. Eastern Europe is having some issues with wannabe Nazis right now. It all starts out as good clean fun

Nazi's are a specific thing, that did specific things, which are not being done right now. Consider: is a chihuahua a pit bull, or can we accept they are both dogs and just move on?

Do there have to be actual ovens? No. But maybe a pile of dead bodies nearing 6 figures would be a good start. Kinda like China. You know....actual Nazi's in the modern time? By comparison, the tards in Doc Martins and shaved heads are meek as their body count literally pales in comparison.

Let me ask you this: what does wishing do? Is that action? Do we need to invoke a thought police to root out all forms of thinking that are not approved? or can we agree that only action creates a need for response?

I will point out that the people you are calling Nazi have never been afraid to be public in their bigotry. Remember Blue Brothers? Its a fairly old movie, and it has Nazi's being made fun of for the publics amusement. But those people were always there, and they have never really feared expressing their opinion. And if we are being frank, why on earth would you want them to? Is it not much easier to see a snake crawling across sand than grass? Why would you want to encourage them to take any cover? I say let assholes be assholes so we can all see they are assholes and give them a wide berth.

Another way to look at it is this: in the marketplace ideas, i refuse to belief racism to be compelling enough to actually gain market share. And, if it does, then that means we need to get better at selling a lack of bigotry in the marketplace of ideas. Yelling obscenities at folks generally doesn't achieve this. and that is how i see "liberals" taking on racism: by yelling at and insulting people. Not a very good sales strategy. They could learn a few lessons from their own history of being yelled at and insulted by the right for decades. But, behind humans, seem content to just repeat the errors.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That reminds me, whos keeping up with the current cultists in the Whig Party??

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

id recommend talking to them.

Seriously? :-)

I have Jewish family, friends and neighbors. The rise of antisemitism in this country is not exactly invisible. Though I can see how maybe in west Texas you might not notice it so much

Anyway Tex - what happened then wouldn't repeat itself exactly here and now. The government would start with other people, people of color first - Muslims, Mexicans, Central Americans - African Americans and Asians. Gays maybe. If the government and the military were solidly behind that philosophy, who would be left to resist? How many would dare to rise up?

That can't ever happen here though - right?

Let me ask you this: what does wishing do? Is that action? Do we need to invoke a thought police to root out all forms of thinking that are not approved? or can we agree that only action creates a need for response?

Where was I talking about wishing? Philosophy obviously manifests as policy in the real world every day

They could learn a few lessons from their own history of being yelled at and insulted by the right for decades.

You talk like that's finished up nowadays. It persists, and you don't need to go very far here at ATS to see it. Everywhere - repeatedly. Think about this Tex: there's a reason the left is so shrill. Maybe the right needs to own that

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

re: There being a reason the left is so shrill....i will only point out that their shrill behavior is what turns people off. Perhaps they find themselves in a vortex where their behavior is feeding the loop of frustration? I mean, when someone "from the left" starts talking things like race, i can't help but roll my eyes and wait for them to tell me that im a racist too. No, the message problem can only be solved by the people who's message is not compelling enough to be sold in the marketplace of ideas, and who then turn to shrill behavior rather than trying to rehone their arguments. Or, perhaps its because the arguments essentially are looking for a boogeyman behind every bush a la McCarthy and his efforts to root out communists.

What you cannot feasibly do is blame the audience for not being receptive. Its not their fault. Build a more compelling argument, maybe folks will listen? I cannot believe that anti-bigotry is that hard of a sell....so the message must be pretty obnoxious (it is) to turn people off.

My point regarding Jewish people is that I cannot speak to any angst...i can only speak to the fact that i've heard it causes it. Me personally? Im a total cossack, and don't get offended by hardly anything at all. So am definitely not the one to speak to their stories.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Interesting to me Tex. You really don't see it do you?

In any case - I'm waiting to see where the OP's story goes. Wannabe Nazis or merry pranksters

See you around the hood

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Daughter2
Let's consider a conspiracy for a moment.

Really who would know this was a Nazi symbol?

Probably not many of the normal conservatives. I have been on this site for years surrounded by ultra right wing people and I have never seen this symbol brought up. Swastika, yes, this symbol - no.

Just a coincidence? - I don't believe in them.
Yes, I think it was done intentionally. But why and who did it?

Could it have been a dog whistle for Nazis followers (I don't know what they are called today). Maybe, but they aren't exactly a big voting block. Do you think someone would create this stage and not think someone in the general public would pick up on it?

Or how about this theory. Set designers are well designers. The event and design industry isn't exactly known for their conservative views. In fact, I would say about 90% are extremely liberal.

What if the set designer wanted to purposely sabotage the event? I can see it making it's way through the various levels of approval. This design wasn't in the publics knowledge base.

TaDaaaaa

CPAC’s ‘Nazi Rune’ Stage Designed By A Liberal Company Which Has Worked For Biden, MSNBC

Oh my, this one didn't age well at all.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I may not...as i am unsure what "it" really is.

I just know there was a yesterday that made today. Im just trying to be aware of that.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Interesting to me Tex. You really don't see it do you?

In any case - I'm waiting to see where the OP's story goes. Wannabe Nazis or merry pranksters

See you around the hood

Neither. It's just more of leftists seeing things that aren't there. How come they are the only ones to constantly see/hear these dog whistles?

Democrat OUTRAGE Over CPAC Stage BACKFIRES, Turns Out A Liberal Designed The Whole Thing

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I really didn't expect this topic to go so far.

Good point. Actions are much more important than words or symbols