Manhattan Prosecutor Gets Trump Tax Records After Long Fight

a reply to: Snarl

Weird how they don't want to look at Joe Biden or Hunter Biden.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: Snarl

Its obvious the establishment/deep state/call it what you want are here to make an example out of Trump.. They want him broke, they want him charged with crimes, they want him crippled and they want anyone with any connection to him to be destroyed too.. They want to make sure no one thinks twice of being the 'next' Trump 2.0

They can only charge him with crimes he has committed.

That's not how it works in the US.

People are frequently charged with crimes that didn't happen or when there is no proof of as leverage for a plea.

Aside from that there's a presumption of innocence even when charged. It is not a presumption that a crime has taken place or the person charged is guilty.

In theory you can only convict if there's been a crime, but you can charge on suspicion or even conjecture if there's sufficient political will.

Sorry, I should have used the word 'convicted' instead of 'charged'.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: Snarl

Its obvious the establishment/deep state/call it what you want are here to make an example out of Trump.. They want him broke, they want him charged with crimes, they want him crippled and they want anyone with any connection to him to be destroyed too.. They want to make sure no one thinks twice of being the 'next' Trump 2.0

They can only charge him with crimes he has committed.

That's not how it works in the US.

People are frequently charged with crimes that didn't happen or when there is no proof of as leverage for a plea.

Aside from that there's a presumption of innocence even when charged. It is not a presumption that a crime has taken place or the person charged is guilty.

In theory you can only convict if there's been a crime, but you can charge on suspicion or even conjecture if there's sufficient political will.

Sorry, I should have used the word 'convicted' instead of 'charged'.

That would make it correct in theory.

In practice, I'm not sure if that's the case.

There are plenty of arguments for the justice system being irreparably corrupt at this point.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
This all goes back to Trump paying off women with hush-money.

Is that a crime though? It's a contract between 2 parties. One side agrees not to talk about it and the other pays them for their silence. Unless one or both parties were under duress when it was signed, it's a legally binding (hence legal) document.

If it is a crime there are reportedly a lot of Congressional members who need to be investigated also.

originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: Snarl

Weird how they don't want to look at Joe Biden or Hunter Biden.

Ironic, if you ask me.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Nickn3

When your own lawyer implicates you in a crime while under oath, I think the authorities are going to investigate.

when your lawyer has been caught in lies to save his own arse it starts to stretch credibility.

a reply to: thov420

It is when you're using campaign funds.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
Both liberals and conservatives have always been against tax fraud...

This thread proves they're more against it when the other side does it and want to play apologist when theirs does.

Maybe people like myself are getting numb to the lefts attempts at revenge for 2016. You don't care about tax fraud or corruption, all this about is petty revenge for 2016.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
You don't care about tax fraud or corruption, all this about is petty revenge for 2016.

You a mind reader now? Impressive.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: thov420

It is when you're using campaign funds.

Funny he used his own money but through a 3rd party. the FEC looked at that claim if i remember,and dismissed it.

The X22 Report talked about this yesterday and he came it from the angle this was a big trick and Trump was setting them up. He goes at it from the angle from Trump’s past experience working with the FBI to take down organized crime.

Trump was working closely with Russian crime organizations and US crime families as a way to gather intel using his hotels as a front for the intelligence agencies and this is where the accusers see the connection with him and the organized crime. Who knows if true but the episode is worth a listen. I could see this being the case with his explanation

originally posted by: Charliebrowndog
The X22 Report talked about this yesterday and he came it from the angle this was a big trick and Trump was setting them up. He goes at it from the angle from Trump’s past experience working with the FBI to take down organized crime.

Trump was working closely with Russian crime organizations and US crime families as a way to gather intel using his hotels as a front for the intelligence agencies and this is where the accusers see the connection with him and the organized crime. Who knows if true but the episode is worth a listen. I could see this being the case with his explanation

I don't think that the podcaster has been reading a lot of the material about this case.

It's about Trump deliberately falsifying records about his properties to get loans and insurance rates.

The subpoenas relate to a central aspect of Mr. Vance’s inquiry, which focuses on whether Mr. Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, inflated the value of some of his signature properties to obtain the best possible loans, while lowballing the values to reduce property taxes, people with knowledge of the matter have said. The prosecutors are also examining the Trump Organization’s statements to insurance companies about the value of various assets.

Now armed with the records from Mazars — including the tax returns, the business records on which they are based and communications between the Trump Organization and its accountants — prosecutors will be able to see a fuller picture of potential discrepancies between what the company told its lenders and tax authorities.

source

I think you should find a more reliable podcast to listen to. I like "Legal Eagle", for instance.

a reply to: yuppa

There definitely were FEC violations. Cohen was found guilty of them. The question was whether Trump was knowledgeable of the payments. That's something investigators have not been able to prove.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Very true, as it should be.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: jhn7537

And if the allegations of bank fraud and tax fraud turn out to be true, then what?

There have been already 5-6 investigations. including the last one which, Mueller and his mafia democrat lawyers, was totally corrupt. Mueller went as far as threatening an American hero to LIE or Mueller and the mafia democrats would go after Lt. Gen. Flynn's son and family... This is ILLEGAL, yet the democrats, now open socialists/fascists/communists, were able to get away with it, alongside using LIES which came from Russian officials and a Russian spy, which they used to target their political opposition. Mueller and his mafia democrat lawyers team read millions of documents, including President Trump's taxes, interviewed hundreds of people with any link to President Trump and found NOTHING.

If there was anything illegal the Mueller and his democrat mafia bosses would have used it already. They simply want to drown President Trump in lawsuits, similar to what they did to Lt. Gen. Flynn, and so many Trump campaign advisors whom were innocent of the initial charges.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: yuppa

There definitely were FEC violations. Cohen was found guilty of them. The question was whether Trump was knowledgeable of the payments. That's something investigators have not been able to prove.

Because your lawyer did something illegal doesn't mean you also did... Again... after 5-6 investigations which found nothing, you/authoritarian leftists simply want to continue using your mafia aholes in charge to target your political opponents.

And then you leftists/never-Trumpers want to claim you are not communists, fascists, and/or socialist authoritarians when you are fine and dandy using a criminal administration, and criminal prosecutors/judges, to inundate law abiding Americans simply for being your political opponents...


Thanks for helping convert the U.S.A. into another dictatorial far left regime. hitler, the castro brothers, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, etc, would be proud of you all...

a reply to: Byrd

Ah, you mean like the claim from the New York times that Trump only paid $750 dollars in taxes when he pre-paid millions and used millions more in credit he had?...
Or the claims for over 4 years that "Trump colluded with Russia"?...
Or is it the claim that "Trump pressured the Ukrainian President when the Ukrainian President & other officials have said several times they were not pressured into anything by President Trump?...
Or is it the claims from women demanding money or jobs from democrats, or from Trump himself, to accuse him or after accusing him of rape?...
Or is it the claims that "Trump must have done something to Melania, she just disappeared after a surgical procedure...
Or which one of the hundreds of false claims your media has been getting away with claiming are all true?...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: thov420

It is when you're using campaign funds.

Obviously you forget that Cohen was caught LYING about President Trump and even Mueller had to admit it?...

Mueller team disputes BuzzFeed report claiming Trump told Cohen to lie

Mueller report rebuts claim Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress

Buzzfeed Finally Admits It Was Wrong About Trump Directing Michael Cohen To Lie

BTW, that wasn't the only LIE Cohen told Muller and his team attempting to get away with the crimes Cohen himself committed.

Mueller: Cohen Lied About Trump Organization's Moscow Project

Michael Cohen’s lies to Congress about Russia could imperil Trump with Mueller

What Did Michael Cohen Lie to Congress About? Donald Trump's Former Lawyer Pleads Guilty in Federal Court

You should stop attempting to project your own flaws on others...

These claims you anti-Trumpers keep making that "Trump must have done something illegal" after all the investigations which found nothing, and after wasting millions of tax payer money, is similar to criminals whom think that everyone commits crimes like them...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
There have been already 5-6 investigations.

Not into this. I know you support lawless behavior and criminality but try again.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Not into this. I know you support lawless behavior and criminality but try again.

What crime?... i keep asking you and all you can summon is smooching some more in that pacifier of yours while yelling "HE IS A CRIMINAL!!!"